---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/21/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:41 AM - Re: down in 230' (Rcaprd@aol.com) 2. 05:41 AM - Airstrips (Rcaprd@aol.com) 3. 05:47 AM - Re: passed your check ride! (Rcaprd@aol.com) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: passed your checkride ! (Rick Holland) 5. 10:00 AM - Re: down in 230' (Rick Holland) 6. 01:22 PM - Steamin' Curious (Tim Verthein) 7. 03:18 PM - Re: Steamin' Curious (del magsam) 8. 03:52 PM - Re: Steamin' Curious (walt evans) 9. 06:16 PM - welding (Dick Navratil) 10. 07:39 PM - Re: Steamin' Curious (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com) 11. 09:18 PM - Re: welding (gcardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:41:19 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230' In a message dated 1/19/2007 7:00:09 AM Central Standard Time, Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes: I never got more than 500 feet off the ground on that trip, Chuck (typical Pietenpol altitude for me). I know why you went high =93 trying to ge t out of the turbulence down low. It about beat me to death. Down low the winds were more from the west-southwet and I had a pretty good tailwind component. As I recall, I was seeing groundspeed on the GPS of around 90 mph. I only stayed at OSH until Wednesday morning, then took off for the long tri p home. I=99m bringing the RV-4 this year. Will you have your Tailwind at Bro dhead this summer? Jack, Yes, you are right about that turbulence...it was pretty rough down low. I think we got going too late in the morning. It was the only flight that I'v e ever made, that I didn't make my intended destination. Every flight is certainly a Learning Experience, and I love it !! I'm hoping to get both wings complete this winter, in the environmentally controlled atmosphere of my Dining Room. Having done that, I'll be able to pre-fit them to the fuselage in the spring, and then complete the fuselage. I think the cowling is going to take me a long time to build, because I hope t o make a very efficient cooling system. Instrument panel will be two flat screens, with a small steam gauges - ASI and Altimeter as backup. If I didn't have t o go to work every day, I could certainly have 'er going by mid summer. Be th at as it may, I think it will be a next summer '08 before she graces the skies. Jack,I hope you still have that spam can RV-4 then !! Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:11 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airstrips In a message dated 1/19/2007 11:09:09 AM Central Standard Time, taildrags@hotmail.com writes: You don't see the airport until you're practically over it, which means you need a fairly steep approach over the trees once you're there. I guess with the Piet all you'd have to do is chop the power and you'd come right down. Oscar, That reminds me of where NX41CC first broke the surely bonds of earth, and was born - Bluebird Hill Airport (5F5). I think I probably still slipped it in a little. Ol' Corky warned me not to get it mixed up with another small airstrip that is a couple of miles to the west. "If you land there, you will be shot on sight !!" Hummmm....OK, Corky...I'll keep that in mind. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:43 AM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passed your check ride! In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:32:33 PM Central Standard Time, tstinemetze@cox.net writes: Oscar: Thanks for that great story. Now I'm going to have to put smoke in the Piet for sure. Maybe I can join you, Mike C., and Chuck G. and fog for mosquitoes at Broadhead. I hear they get pretty big up there. Hey Tom, Congrats on your checkride !! I'm going to make a flight up to McPhereson sometime this spring, and give you some stick time in my plane...I have the stick, throttle and now I have an intercom in the front cockpit, but I didn't install the pedals, because unless you have very short legs, there is just not enough room up there. Besides, the rudder pedals would be in the way of cargo, where as the stick is easily removed. Chuck G. NX770CG Wichita, KS with 6 or 7 inches on snow on the ground since yesterday ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:20 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: passed your checkride ! You are right about taking check rides on rough days Mike, on my Private check ride a long time ago the crosswinds were too strong do short field landing approaches so the examiner just asked me to describe how I would do them and that was good enough. However if the winds are real bad he could just ask you to come back and complete the testing on another day. Rick On 1/18/07, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] wrote: > > michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> > > > Way to go Tom Stinemetze on passing your private checkride and letting > us know !!!! > Sure is more fun to build a Piet if you know you are qualified to fly it > when you're done. > Excellent. I half think that you have a better chance of passing a > checkride on a rough > day since you have to prove you can handle the plane in adverse > conditions---and you did ! > > Loved my checkride in 1981. WWII veteran. Instructor from Kent State > University named Dick Schwabe. > He flew more of the checkride than I did because he rarely got time in > much else than 150's and I > showed up in a Grumman AA-1B. Still a rough, windy day and despite my > flaws, he passed me. > > Mike C. > > PS-- you'll sleep good tonight > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:58 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230' A guy in our chapter is also building an RV-10, never seen so many clecos in my life, think he said he had a total of around 10,000 rivets to drive, is that right? Rick On 1/19/07, Phillips, Jack wrote: > > > I'm bringing the RV-4 this year. Will you have your Tailwind at Brodhead > this summer? > > > Jack > > Trying to stay focused on building the RV-10 (yawn). Not as much > challenge or fun as a Pietenpol, but slightly better for travelling > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Rcaprd@aol.com > *Sent:* Friday, January 19, 2007 1:10 AM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: down in 230' > > > In a message dated 1/17/2007 7:02:18 AM Central Standard Time, > Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes: > > Winds were 250 at > 20 kts, gusts to 25 (remember the winds that morning, Chuck?). > > Ah yes, Jack, I remember that morning well. Brodhead '05, and you took > off shortly before I did, en route to that other show up north. You must > have stayed low on that leg, because the winds at 3000' msl where I was, > were quite different. I don't really know why I climbed that high...I think > I just wanted to see more of the beautiful Wisconsin countryside from the > higher altitude. I got about 15 miles to the north of Brodhead, trying to > track to the North, but the strong winds out of the West caused the nose of > my plane to point almost directly West !! I had almost full power in, and > was indicating just over 75 mph, and according to my GPS, I had about 15 > mph. ground speed. At one point, I noticed a tower to the North, between > the right struts a couple of miles away. Five minutes later that tower was > still in the same place...10 minutes later, still there...15 minutes later > that tower didn't change location !! I've never been in that situation > before, where I'm trying to track north, heading west, with almost full > power in and getting nowhere. It was a strange feeling. I decided to abort > the leg to Oshkosh, and headed back to Brodhead. For a while, I wasn't sure > that I could even make it back, till I dropped to a much lower altitude > where the winds weren't quite as strong. I finally made it back to > Brodhead, and rode up to Oshkosh with Dennis & Kathy E. We had a great time > there, but I never could find Jack. > > > Chuck G. > > NX770CG > > * * > > * * > > > _________________________________________________ > > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:14 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious Since I'm still in the planing and gathering stages of the project, I noticed on the Pietenpol Official Website in the discussion on construction, it says "no steaming" necessary for rib construction, yet here it's often discussed. What's the scoop on that? Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:57 PM PST US From: del magsam Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious It means that you don't have to steam anything but some people do anyway. I didn't and got along just fine, but maybe others like to think of their longerons without that much pressure/stress on them. A personal choice....works either way Del Tim Verthein wrote: Since I'm still in the planing and gathering stages of the project, I noticed on the Pietenpol Official Website in the discussion on construction, it says "no steaming" necessary for rib construction, yet here it's often discussed. What's the scoop on that? Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. Del-New Richmond, Wi "farmerdel@rocketmail.com" --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:53 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious Tim, My feeling was that I didn't want to take the chance of breaking a rib cap, so I steamed,,,or actually "steeped" Every day I'd come home from work, and put on a pot of water to boil. By the time I'd changed, the water was boiling. Carried it down to the aircraft factory (cellar). And poured it into a thing I'd made out of 1 1/4" (or 1 1/2") white PVC pipe. It was capped and vertical, and about 16" tall. This was mounted on a wood block so it was self standing. I'd pour the water in the pipe, and insert the end on the next capstrip. And it would "steep" while I put away the completed rib I'd done the day before , and removed the prior rib from the jig ready to get the second side of gussets, and lay that aside. Now lay the bottom cap strip in the jig, pull the top strip out of the pipe and bend it beautifully around the jig top formers, and procede to cut the rest of the rib "sticks". When done, pull the internal sticks out, after numbering them, and mix a batch of T-88. that rib got glued with one side gussets,,,and the previous nites got a final set of gussets. this drill goes on for 30 some odd days till the gussets are done. I usually left the rib work for the last hour or so of the work day. Kind of played it by ear,,,when I had an hour left in me,,I'd switch to the rib job. Before you know it the ribs are done. They are all the same except for the end ribs that have more sticks. walt evans NX140DL PS Just remember that T-88 work just as well on wet wood as dry,,,amazing! read the specs "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Verthein" Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious > > > Since I'm still in the planing and gathering stages of the project, I > noticed on the Pietenpol Official Website in the discussion on > construction, it says "no steaming" necessary for rib construction, yet > here it's often discussed. What's the scoop on that? > > Tim in Bovey > > == > You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! > == > > > Have a burning question? > Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:05 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: welding A question for any who are more experienced at Oxy/actl welding. I was making some parts today and kept having that popping in the molten pool. Sometimes I can work away without having it occur but today it was blowing holes in my tubing.That is real frustrating. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:22 PM PST US From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious I did things very close to the way Walt explains. Although, Walt being a better man than I, got it done in 30 days. I do a rib whenever I can and have been lucky to get 3 or 4 a week lately and have been at it for 9 months. Today just finished up rib #20. 12 more to go. Watching them add up in my study is keeping me active in the shop. Renovations on my house took me out of the game for a couple months but I've been staying pretty committed to getting the ribs done the last month or so. Steaming... I originally made something that just allowed steam to pass by them and it didn't seem to penetrate (even after an hour) and the capstrip broke when clamping into the bending jig. ...so I put a wine bottle full of water (kind of a double-boiler) in the steam chamber and let them sit there while I make a rib. When the gussets are all on the second side of the last rib and then the gussets of the first side of the next rib is done I pull it out of the steamer and put it in a bending jig to set it's curve. Every day out in the rib factory it's a similar routine: 1. Start a capstrip in the steamer. 2. Put the Side B gussets on the last half-completed rib. 3. Cut and fit into the rib jig all the pieces and put the Side A gussets on using the capstrip now dry in the bending jig from the previous day. (Doesn't necessarily have to be dry, just fits my pace/routine.) 4. Put the freshly steamed capstrip in the bending jig. It only takes a day (actually a few hours) to do those 4 steps, so if you have the time you definitely should be able to do it in a month. (and I clamp my gussets using a custom clamping rib jig) If you use staples or nails you could make more than 1 rib per day. I like the no-nails look and the reduced weight. Time up front spent on a jig that clamps is reclaimed in the end. Idea was stolen from Bill Church on MyKitPlanes.com. Lots of great pictures of his and other projects there too. Everybody has a slightly different way of doing things and if you go to Brodhead and see them side by side you can see their many subtle differences but all recognizably Pietepols, very cool. If you didn't scratch your head and come up with your own way to build each part you missed out on the fun. Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:48 PM PST US From: "gcardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: welding Hi Dick, Increase the flow of gas. The popping is the welding gases igniting inside the torch because the tip is getting too hot. Greg C. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick Navratil To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: welding A question for any who are more experienced at Oxy/actl welding. I was making some parts today and kept having that popping in the molten pool. Sometimes I can work away without having it occur but today it was blowing holes in my tubing.That is real frustrating. Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong. 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