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1. 01:38 AM - Re: welding (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 06:30 AM - Re: down in 230' (Phillips, Jack)
3. 06:38 AM - snow in Texas (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 06:45 AM - Re: Steamin' Curious (Dave Abramson)
5. 07:07 AM - Steamer for wood bending (TGSTONE236@aol.com)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: snow in Texas (Isablcorky@aol.com)
7. 11:24 AM - Re: welding (Ed G.)
8. 11:55 AM - saving hands and fingers on the table saw (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
9. 12:22 PM - Re: welding (Graham Hansen)
10. 12:31 PM - Re: Steamer for wood bending (Steve Singleton)
11. 01:14 PM - Re: saving hands and fingers on the table saw (Jack T. Textor)
12. 01:41 PM - Re: snow in Texas (Rick Holland)
13. 02:57 PM - Re: snow in Texas Metric snow? (Steve Glass)
14. 05:25 PM - Re: passed your check ride! (Tom Stinemetze)
15. 07:01 PM - Fly-In in Central Florida... seeking Piets & other interesting airplanes (Mike Whaley)
16. 07:17 PM - Re: saving hands and fingers on the table saw (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
17. 07:45 PM - snow in Texas Metric snow? (Oscar Zuniga)
18. 08:10 PM - Re: snow in Texas Metric snow? (Isablcorky@aol.com)
19. 08:13 PM - welding (Dick Navratil)
20. 08:21 PM - Re: snow in Texas Metric snow? (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
21. 10:45 PM - Re:snow in Texas (Catdesigns)
22. 11:30 PM - Send me YOUR photos (Catdesigns)
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Hi Dick: Ditto what Greg said. That happened to me too and someone
suggested going to a larger tip size for more flow to cool the tip. That
worked for me. Lucky for me I didn't burn the house down. Leon S.
Finally having a white Christmas in Ks.--a mo. late.
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Chuck, I should still have the RV-4 in '08. My original plan was to
sell the RV-4 when it came time to buy the engine for the RV-10 and use
the money to buy a Lycoming IO-540. However, I got an opportunity to
pick up a freshly rebuilt O-540-A1D5 from an Aztec for $13K this past
fall, so I already have the engine for the RV-10 and can keep the RV-4 a
little longer. I'm going to miss it when I finally have to sell it.
The RV-10 will be nice for travel, but that's all. The RV-4 is just
FUN. Not the most comfortable cross-country airplane, though. Karen
gets tired of just staring at the back of my head. I'm hoping to have
the RV-10 finished in early 2009, and at that point I'll have to seel
the -4. Can't afford to keep three airplanes, and I'll never sell the
Pietenpol.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP Pietenpol Air Camper
N18LR RV-4
N142KW RV-10 (under construction)
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.=2E. Be that as it may, I think it will be a next summer '08 before she
graces the skies. Jack,I hope you still have that spam can RV-4 then !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Noticed there were zero posts to the list over Saturday. I'm sitting here
waiting for weather to improve so we can get back to testing 41CC. Corky is
probably halfway to Fargo, ND with his trailer to bring the Defender back to
warmer climes. And Chuck G. wrote-
>Wichita, KS with 6 or 7 inches of snow on the ground since yesterday
Well, that ain't nothin'. Last week we were lookin' at 20 inches of snow.
Take a look at the picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/20inchsnow.jpg
for genuine Texas snow.
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Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Steamin' Curious |
This is also how I did my ribs....I had a 24" tube that I filled with cold
water. Let the cap strip soak for 8hrs then after work poured out the cold
water and filled with VERY hot water to soak the cap strip in for 5min or
so.... Took it out of the water wiped it off and put it into my rib jig..
you know the rest..... Worked out very well and you get a system after a
while and they move right along.
Cheers,
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of walt evans
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious
Tim,
My feeling was that I didn't want to take the chance of breaking a rib cap,
so I steamed,,,or actually "steeped"
Every day I'd come home from work, and put on a pot of water to boil. By the
time I'd changed, the water was boiling.
Carried it down to the aircraft factory (cellar). And poured it into a
thing I'd made out of 1 1/4" (or 1 1/2") white PVC pipe. It was capped and
vertical, and about 16" tall. This was mounted on a wood block so it was
self standing.
I'd pour the water in the pipe, and insert the end on the next capstrip.
And it would "steep" while I put away the completed rib I'd done the day
before , and removed the prior rib from the jig ready to get the second side
of gussets, and lay that aside.
Now lay the bottom cap strip in the jig, pull the top strip out of the pipe
and bend it beautifully around the jig top formers, and procede to cut the
rest of the rib "sticks".
When done, pull the internal sticks out, after numbering them, and mix a
batch of T-88. that rib got glued with one side gussets,,,and the previous
nites got a final set of gussets. this drill goes on for 30 some odd days
till the gussets are done.
I usually left the rib work for the last hour or so of the work day. Kind
of played it by ear,,,when I had an hour left in me,,I'd switch to the rib
job. Before you know it the ribs are done.
They are all the same except for the end ribs that have more sticks.
walt evans
NX140DL
PS Just remember that T-88 work just as well on wet wood as dry,,,amazing!
read the specs
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Verthein" <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steamin' Curious
> <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
>
> Since I'm still in the planing and gathering stages of the project, I
> noticed on the Pietenpol Official Website in the discussion on
> construction, it says "no steaming" necessary for rib construction, yet
> here it's often discussed. What's the scoop on that?
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
> Have a burning question?
> Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.
>
>
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| Subject: | Steamer for wood bending |
I needed to bend some wood so I made a steamer.
10 ft X 4 inch pvc pipe
2 - 4 inch pvc pipe threaded adapter no need to glue things together. just
slip fit
2 - 4 in pvc threaded plug
1 wallpaper steamer , drill a hole in one plug end for the steamer hose and
some vent holes in the other plug
for the steam to exit. this is the most efficient rig I have ever used for
bending wood. Try it
Ted Stone
Building a Piet one little piece at a time
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| Subject: | Re: snow in Texas |
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No Oscar,
Corky hasn't left his driveway. With those nawthurn winds and temps and icy
bridges he figured he's best in Louisiana. However, he plans a departure on a
VDR drive plan at 0700 CDT Tuesday 23 Jan ETA Fargo N D
1100 CDT 25 Jan. Forecasts look favorable for his trip. You may check on him
at 1 800 347 8179. That's Isabelle's phone he's borrowing for this trip. She
promised to instruct him in it's use.
Corky and Nathan
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Hi Dick
Popping is caused by burning too small a flame on too big of a tip. use a
smaller tip which will give you a smaller flame but still keep the flow of
gas up enough to cool the tip. Ed G.
>From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: welding
>Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:15:25 -0600
>
>A question for any who are more experienced at Oxy/actl welding. I was
>making some parts today and kept having that popping in the molten pool.
>Sometimes I can work away without having it occur but today it was blowing
>holes in my tubing.That is real frustrating.
>Can someone tell me what I am doing wrong.
>Dick N.
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| Subject: | saving hands and fingers on the table saw |
Click on the hot dog demo video if nothing else.
Amazing...a small electrical charge in this saw's blade is constantly
monitored and if your finger or hand
touches the blade it changes the charge slightly that the electronics
are monitoring in the blade
and an aluminum blade brake stops the saw in something like 1/4000th of
a second.
Amazing...a small electrical charge in this saw's blade is constantly
monitored and if your finger or hand
touches the blade it changes the charge slightly that the electronics
are monitoring in the blade
and an aluminum blade brake stops the saw in something like 1/4000th of
a second.
http://www.sawstop.com/ <http://www.sawstop.com/>
<http://www.sawstop.com/>
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Dick,
Torch popping/backfiring is often caused by:
1. Holding the inner cone of the flame too close to the puddle, thus
overheating the tip.
2. A partly clogged, or dirty, tip.
3. Using too large a tip for the job, and reducing the gas flow too much
in order to avoid totally melting the work piece.
Possible solutions:
Keep tips clean and use the recommended tip pressures for the tip size
you are using (this may vary with the make of the welding outfit). Keep
inner flame cone clear of the puddle (try 1/8" to 1/4" clearance and
find what works for you). Don't use too large a tip for the job and try
to throttle it back; take the time to switch to a smaller tip, rather
than trying to manage with the too-large tip.
Good luck!
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Re: Steamer for wood bending |
I made a temporary steamer useing a 4ft x 6in pipe (galv.) welded one
end shut, set it up over the barbeque grill burner (of cource one end
was higher than the other) fill with water and after a bit the water
boils-stick in as many cap strips as you can hold onto and after 30
seconds in the boiling water took out and clamped them in a wide jig.
done about half the cap strips at a time. I did disect the burner so i
could raise it up somewhat so a 4in concrete block could be put under it
to raise it up to meet the pipe. I'll admit the galv pipe is not ideal
to weld on but it was cheap to make. I also used a srap piece of metal
to close off most of the open end. Had a lot of fun doing this-sometime
i want to try heating a 2x4 and see how much it will bend. Steve
Singleton
----- Original Message -----
From: TGSTONE236@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steamer for wood bending
I needed to bend some wood so I made a steamer.
10 ft X 4 inch pvc pipe
2 - 4 inch pvc pipe threaded adapter no need to glue things together.
just slip fit
2 - 4 in pvc threaded plug
1 wallpaper steamer , drill a hole in one plug end for the steamer
hose and some vent holes in the other plug
for the steam to exit. this is the most efficient rig I have ever used
for bending wood. Try it
Ted Stone
Building a Piet one little piece at a time
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| Subject: | saving hands and fingers on the table saw |
Mike,
A client, manufacturer of meat processing equipment, years ago tried the
same technology with their skinner. For the roll-out run EVERYBODY was
there. All the packing house big guns, etc. To test, they had a glove
filled with hot dogs. I will never forget when the guy fed the glove
into the skinner, gloves, hot dogs went everywhere. It was hilarious
but nobody was laughing.
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: snow in Texas |
Always wondered how they measured snow in Texas.
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On 1/22/07, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Noticed there were zero posts to the list over Saturday. I'm sitting here
> waiting for weather to improve so we can get back to testing 41CC. Corky
> is
> probably halfway to Fargo, ND with his trailer to bring the Defender back
> to
> warmer climes. And Chuck G. wrote-
>
> >Wichita, KS with 6 or 7 inches of snow on the ground since yesterday
>
> Well, that ain't nothin'. Last week we were lookin' at 20 inches of snow.
> Take a look at the picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/20inchsnow.jpg
> for genuine Texas snow.
>
> do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | snow in Texas Metric snow? |
Hi Oscar
Looks to me like you got 20 cm. Glad to see you use the metric system in
Texas. In order to get that to read inches you would have to divide by 2.54
if my memory serves me correctly. Do you get metric snowflakes in Texas I
thought they just fell up in Canada.
Best regards
Steve in Maine
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: snow in Texas
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:38:09 -0600
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Noticed there were zero posts to the list over Saturday. I'm sitting here
>waiting for weather to improve so we can get back to testing 41CC. Corky
>is probably halfway to Fargo, ND with his trailer to bring the Defender
>back to warmer climes. And Chuck G. wrote-
>
>>Wichita, KS with 6 or 7 inches of snow on the ground since yesterday
>
>Well, that ain't nothin'. Last week we were lookin' at 20 inches of snow.
>Take a look at the picture here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/20inchsnow.jpg
>for genuine Texas snow.
>
>do not archive
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: passed your check ride! |
Hey Chuck:
Stick time in a real, honest to goodness Air Camper. Now I've got
something to get the juices flowing.
Tom in McPherson
____ | ____
\8/
/ \
> Congrats on your checkride !! I'm going to make a flight up to
McPherson
sometime this spring, and give you some stick time in my plane...I
have the
stick, throttle and now I have an intercom in the front cockpit,
but I didn't
install the pedals, because unless you have very short legs, there
is just not
enough room up there. Besides, the rudder pedals would be in the
way of cargo,
where as the stick is easily removed.>
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| Subject: | Fly-In in Central Florida... seeking Piets & other interesting |
airplanes
Hi all,
I know this is a bit off-topic but perhaps it will be of interest to those
of you in Florida... we're having a little fly-in / aviation day type event
on February 17th at Valkaria Airport (X59) and we're trying to round up
"exotic" aircraft to show all the interesting aspects of general and
recreational aviation to the community. ("Exotic" meaning anything except a
white Cessna 152, basically... homebuilts, warbirds, ultralights, balloons,
helicopters, anti-gravity boots, rocket belts, magic flying carpets, big red
bulletproof capes, etc.) Valkaria is a small uncontrolled field a little bit
south of Melbourne on the east coast of Florida, with cheap avgas and some
interesting homebuilt activity.
If anyone is interested in attending, get in touch with me and I can give
you more info, or check out our website:
http://www.mlbpilots.org/ValkariaAirFest/
Thanks!
-Mike
Mike Whaley merlin@ov-10bronco.net
Webmaster, OV-10 Bronco Association
http://www.ov-10bronco.net/
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| Subject: | Re: saving hands and fingers on the table saw |
Hmmm,
I wonder if this technology could be adapted to my circa 1950 Cast Iron
Craftsman table saw.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: saving hands and fingers on the table saw
Click on the hot dog demo video if nothing else.
Amazing.a small electrical charge in this saw's blade is constantly
monitored and if your finger or hand
touches the blade it changes the charge slightly that the electronics
are monitoring in the blade
and an aluminum blade brake stops the saw in something like 1/4000th
of a second.
Amazing.a small electrical charge in this saw's blade is constantly
monitored and if your finger or hand
touches the blade it changes the charge slightly that the electronics
are monitoring in the blade
and an aluminum blade brake stops the saw in something like 1/4000th
of a second.
http://www.sawstop.com/
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| Subject: | snow in Texas Metric snow? |
Steve in Maine wrote-
>Looks to me like you got 20 cm. Glad to see you use the metric system
Alright, lay off. So I played on "special effects" a little bit. Maybe
that just adds to the humor, OK? I could have said that the tape was a
scaling tape used by loggers to measure tree diameter.
>Do you get metric snowflakes in Texas I thought they just fell up in
>Canada.
No, up there they have "bunyip" snowflakes or something. Eh?! ;o)
In order to keep this focused on Pietenpols, I'd like to mention that the
president of our EAA Chapter 35 just invited me to present the February
program to our chapter. I chose the topic, "All About Aircampers" and will
outline the attractions of our simple, affordable, honest Pietenpol. I'm
putting together a Powerpoint presentation with a general introduction to
the airplane, source of information and plans (the Pietenpol family, the
BPA, and this list), engine options, and of course all of the traits that
make this airplane such a fine contender for any builder's project. With a
heavy population of ex-Air Force people around here, this airplane should
win more hearts than among the modern "fast glass/slick panel" crowd.
Anyway, I have plenty of great photos for the program (thanks again, Chris
Tracy, for such a great stash of photos). And Mike Cuy, and Chuck Gantzer,
and Corky, and DJ Vegh, and Steve Eldredge, Don Emch, and so many of you who
have provided a rich archive of extremely nice photos and documentation of
the building and flying process. The problem is sifting them all down to a
35-minute presentation! I'll tell you, Don's photo of his airplane full of
kids has got to be one of the all-time classics and says it all about what
this airplane, and flying, are all about...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: snow in Texas Metric snow? |
Oscar,
I gave a similiar talk to our local Daedalian flight last year. I'll offer
these tips: DON'T spend time on building techniques. For a builder YES for non
builders NO. The part I think these ex pilots enjoyed most was snipes of
Gantzer's videos. Flying, flying, and flying.
Just a suggestion. Of course mention Pietenpols but don't linger on it too
long. These old farts love action and Smokie has given us a lot of it.
Just a suggestion
Corky
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Thanks all for the input. I don't do enough welding to ever get good at
it. I went out tonight for an evenings entertainment, cleaned the tip,
there was already a 205 tip installed, I adjusted pressures and tried a
hotter flame and holding the tip farther from the puddle. Much better
and now I have a new tailwheel assembly.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: snow in Texas Metric snow? |
You could probably start off with a plans interpretation intro and continue
the presentation on the group dynamics of this forum. The information you
received from the various sources you mentioned could be the various
interpretations of plans/modifications citing photos from different sources
as each individual's own interpretation and their chosen technique for
implementing a certain aspect of the plane's construction. In the end they
are all nice Air Campers, right? You might even limit the discussion to one
part of the plane and cover the various methods people have chosen to, say,
build a wing.
I sit in on other building forums and they are nothing like ours. We all
respect each other and know when to provide ideas and when to be silent.
This group has been my greatest resource so far.
Just trying to give you an angle.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re:snow in Texas |
Speaking of snow, I'm sure all of you have heard about the cold spell we had
here in California. I mean it hardly got over 50 in the middle of the day!
My garage was down in the 40's! And my truck, who must live out side, had
to suffer with ice on its window! It was horible!
So what's a dedicated builder to do but break out the heater. My building
partner, as usual, got started right away on the important projects. (Photo
Attached)
This is a good propane heater that will take the 40 degree 2 car garage up
to 80 in about 30 to 40 min using the medium setting. I use the propane tank
from the BBQ. You might want a bigger tank if you live someplace cold. I
usually keep the temp at 65-70 by tuning the heater on and off.
There has been some talk about not using Kerosene for heating the shop. This
one seems to be a good alternative and you can get one at Home Depot and
Lows. I got mine on sale in the spring for half price. Around here they are
already on sale.
I love the heat!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Send me YOUR photos |
I know I am indebted to other builders who put their pictures on the
internet. So, if anyone wants to send me some pictures to add to my website
I would really appreciate it. You can email some or better yet mail a whole
bunch on CD or DVD. Don't have digital? Send me your prints and I will scan
them in (might take a while). I can reimburse you for all your expenses if
needed (expenses for sending pictures through the mail. NOT for building a
plane just so you can take pictures of it to send me). Think of it as a
backup in case your hard drive crashes. This way you can retrieve them for
your all important builders log (You are keeping a log aren't you? Mine is
about 3 years behind, probably should work on that I guess). Don't be shy.
We all can learn a thing or two from each new builder.
Graham, I would love to get some photos of your Piet. Got any spare photos
lying around?
Oscar we need a picture of the reborn 41CC.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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