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1. 05:24 AM - Propane Heater (Larry Rice)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: Cold Weather Building (del magsam)
3. 06:35 AM - Re: Cold Weather Building (dwilson)
4. 05:39 PM - Re: Testing CO Detectors (Michael Fisher)
5. 05:59 PM - update on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 06:16 PM - Re: update on 41CC (Gene and Tammy)
7. 07:16 PM - Re: Cold Weather Building (Jim Markle)
8. 10:02 PM - A corksickle update........ (KMHeide)
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I found one that is catalytic & has an oxygen sensor that shuts it down
when oxygen is short, which is when you tend to get significant carbon
monoxide.
Larry the micromong guy
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Weather Building |
A couple of years ago, I was working on my engine on the plane in a non insulated
hangar. I made a 10 x 10 plastic pvc pipe frame with plastic sheet stretched
between the pipes. hung the thing from the ceiling, and then hung plastic all
of way around the edges. when I went there to work I plugged in the knipko 100,000
btu heater to get it to 80 degrees in about 5 minutes, and then maintained
it at about 60 degrees with the lp "sunflower" heater. I didn't even use the
whole tank for the project. But BEWARE...do not leave it unattended or get
it close to the plastic.
Del
Catdesigns <catdesigns@comcast.net> wrote:
Glen,
It all depends on how much you have to use it. I cycle mine on and off as I
get to cold. My last tank lasted about a month and a half but I used it a
lot. Around here a BBQ tank cost $15 to fill. Seems like a cheap way to go
for me. Does the instructions have a flow rate in it? You could calculate
the hours per tank. It also works better when the tank is full.Your probably
right that you could go down to 1 burner to maintain the heat and save cost.
I think I will go and see if HD has any here. All you need now is to get
your self a bag of marshmallows.
Isn't it fun to be hotter then the house. My wife gives me grief because I
wont let her keep the house that warm.
Chris
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas"
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 7:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Building
>
>
> Chris,
> Took your post to heart and went to Home Depot. Got a 45000 BTU, 2
> burner, propane heater for 60 bucks. Immediately put it together and got
> the shed from 8.6F to 82F in about 25 minutes on low. Runs on a regular
> gas grill tank. They have another one that has one burner , 15000 BTUs,
> for 29 bucks. Once the place is warmed up I could probably fall back to 1
> burner and crack a window. Burns clean and my work shed is warmer than
> the house! Just curious how long a tank lasts.
>
> --------
> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90744#90744
>
>
>
Del-New Richmond, Wi
"farmerdel@rocketmail.com"
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Weather Building |
These posts have been pretty interesting to read. I used an electric heater in
my attached insulated garage. Could have bought a new Cessna for what I paid
the utility company. I now have a natural gas furnace. The furnace is 45,000
btu and is vented to the outside through a forced air chimney. Even in the
garage with a forced air furnace I have a CO (Carbon Monoxide) detector. You
can purchase a very reliable CO detector for less than $ 25 at most discount
and hardware stores. Seems like very cheap insurance. Click on this link to
learn more...
http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=280&itemID=18270&URL=Research%20&%20Reports/Fact%20sheets/Safety%20in%20the%20home/Carbon%20monoxide%20poisoning&cookie%5Ftest=1
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90792#90792
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| Subject: | Re: Testing CO Detectors |
Cold Weather Builders,
Check your digital electronic CO detectors for operational status and sensitivity
by lighting a stick of incense in a safe container about a foot below the unit
and leaving it for an hour or so. The reading should show anywhere between
5 and 75 parts per million. Incense burns about as dirty as an old
Continental with a leaky needle valve. DO NOT test your detector by placing
it near an engine exhaust.
Mike Fisher
Talkeetna, Alaska
I frequently take my digital carbon dioxide detector out in the
> garage to do
> air sampling and it never registers anything. I sometimes wonder
> if the
> thing is working. I think I will by another one just to test it.
> Fear of
> carbon monoxide is one of the reasons I cycle it on and off.
>
> My garage is a bit drafty so I'm sure it helps circulate the air.
> PLEASE
> everyone listen to Jim and get a carbon dioxide tester and test it
> for your
> self.
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Well, it was in the mid 60s today, clear and nice, the new brake linings
were all cured and full braking effect available, and Charlie took the
airplane out of ground effect and into the pattern. Quite different from
the slight right wing heaviness in ground effect, he found that in the
pattern he had to hold the stick with both hands at one point, hard left
aileron, due to excessive wash-in on the starboard wing. But we have plenty
of threads on the forward lift strut fork end to make adjustments, so that's
next.
The engine pulled 2250 RPM in climb with that 72x42 Hegy prop, climbing at
50 MPH. I have not verified the mechanical tach against an optical one, so
I'm feeling real good about the engine and prop doing just about as good as
you can expect. It runs and sounds strong and smooth.
Life is good ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: update on 41CC |
Congrats Oscar! Pretty exciting. Keep us posted and get some in flight
photos you can share with us.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 7:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on 41CC
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Well, it was in the mid 60s today, clear and nice, the new brake linings
> were all cured and full braking effect available, and Charlie took the
> airplane out of ground effect and into the pattern. Quite different from
> the slight right wing heaviness in ground effect, he found that in the
> pattern he had to hold the stick with both hands at one point, hard left
> aileron, due to excessive wash-in on the starboard wing. But we have
> plenty of threads on the forward lift strut fork end to make adjustments,
> so that's next.
>
> The engine pulled 2250 RPM in climb with that 72x42 Hegy prop, climbing at
> 50 MPH. I have not verified the mechanical tach against an optical one,
> so I'm feeling real good about the engine and prop doing just about as
> good as you can expect. It runs and sounds strong and smooth.
>
> Life is good ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cold Weather Building |
Thanks Chris!
Well, no, I'm not back to work on it yet. Been out of work (unemployed) for a
couple months and frankly haven't had the motivation to even look at it.
But I WILL some day. I have several interviews going and expect to get back in
the swing of important things (like my Pietenpol!) soon. I do get a bit sad
though thinking about how nice it would have been to be finishing up right now
so I can fly it this summer. Hey, that will just make it that much sweeter when
it DOES happen!
In the meantime, I'm living the aviator's dream...vicariously...I just read Oscar's
summary of 41CC's flight in the pattern and my arms are still sore from holding
in so much left aileron...Hopefully he'll get the struts adjusted so I
can imagine a nice gentle flight around the pattern.
What's really been interesting is how many of my Pietenpol friends have been a
key part of me NOT getting really depressed during an otherwise "challenging"
period of my life. Very nice.
And I'm glad there has been so much discussion/thought about heaters. I know everyone
is careful, but on this stuff you can't be TOO careful!
Hope everyone's staying warm!
Jim in Northeastern Oklahoma...where all that darn ice is now melting...I've never
seen SO much mud!
-----Original Message-----
>From: Catdesigns <catdesigns@comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 27, 2007 12:44 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Building
>
>
>I frequently take my digital carbon dioxide detector out in the garage to do
>air sampling and it never registers anything. I sometimes wonder if the
>thing is working. I think I will by another one just to test it. Fear of
>carbon monoxide is one of the reasons I cycle it on and off.
>
>My garage is a bit drafty so I'm sure it helps circulate the air. PLEASE
>everyone listen to Jim and get a carbon dioxide tester and test it for your
>self.
>
>Speaking of Jim, did Jim finally get back to working on his plane?
>
>Chris Tracy
>Sacramento, Ca
>Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Markle" <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:03 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Building
>
>
>> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> I once had one of those Home Depot two burner heaters and a tank lasted
>> about a day and a half. But I kept it on the highest setting.
>>
>> But...after 5 days without electricity last week because of a sever ice
>> storm in NE OK, I have become EXTREMELY aware of (possible) carbon
>> monoxide generating heating devices. One of my neighbors and her kids
>> just got out of the hospital because of carbon monoxide poisoning....
>>
>> Please add another $20 to that $60 investment and buy a carbon monoxide
>> monitor...please...
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: Glenn Thomas <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>>>Sent: Jan 26, 2007 9:10 PM
>>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cold Weather Building
>>>
>>><glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>>>
>>>Chris,
>>>Took your post to heart and went to Home Depot. Got a 45000 BTU, 2
>>>burner, propane heater for 60 bucks. Immediately put it together and got
>>>the shed from 8.6F to 82F in about 25 minutes on low. Runs on a regular
>>>gas grill tank. They have another one that has one burner , 15000 BTUs,
>>>for 29 bucks. Once the place is warmed up I could probably fall back to 1
>>>burner and crack a window. Burns clean and my work shed is warmer than
>>>the house! Just curious how long a tank lasts.
>>>
>>>--------
>>>Glenn Thomas
>>>N?????
>>>http://www.flyingwood.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90744#90744
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | A corksickle update........ |
Members of the List:
Corky arrived with his son around 1:00 pm Fargo time (amidst zero temperatures,
strong winds, Less then 5 miles visability, windchill of 20 below) to
greet his new found project.. the 42' Blue Boy Defender Aeronca Champ. He arrived
excited yet tired of the long trip up. "Us Yankees handle the cold much better
than them southerners"......
Corky, his son David, me and my daughters started up the salamander heater and
started the work of removing the tail section. Everything went smoothly but
with the cold inside the hanger, it made a 10 minute job much longer. We kept
working with rotation between heater time and planning time. Finally, we moved
the trailer into the hanger along side the plane for loading.
Created a wood platform for the front gear and then another platform for the
tail. With the plane parallel to the trailer, lifted the tail up onto the rear
of the trailer. Then, we planned on lifting the front of the Defender (one gear
leg at a time) onto the trailer with hopes of sliding the wheels across into
position/alignment with the trailer. Since the wood was frozen and had some
frost on it, I added more snow to make it slippery for sliding the planes gear
across it. Corky and I grabbed one side of the front gear leg and his son David
used a dolly on the opposite side to lift that sides' wheel off the floor as
we lifted our side. The tail-wheel was kept in place with a block to prevent
moving on the rear platform. *(Note - Corky being a young man (80 yrs. old) is
extremely strong!!) Together we lifted the entire side of the plane and set
the wheel onto the trailer which was about 3 1/2 feet tall! We then walked around
and grabbed the side David was on and picked
up the wheel and side it the remaining wheel onto the trailer and into position.
In summation, we picked up the entire front of the defender and slide it on
to the trailer. (We are two strong sons-of- *itches! Don't mess with pietenpol
builders!)
After this we decided to call it a day. Total time on loading fuselage.....about
4 1/2 hours. Tomorrow....the wings under the fuselage and then strapping everything
down. Departure time around 1:00 PM or thereabouts.
Photos to follow....
This has been a Corksickle update! He loves winter in North Dakota....Will try
and get him to help make snowman tomorrow...before he is completely frozen and
can't move!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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