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1. 01:36 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 04:53 AM - Fuel tanks and baffels (Steve Glass)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (PIETLARS29@wmconnect.com)
5. 08:32 AM - Re: Source for tailwheel spring (Phillips, Jack)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Phillips, Jack)
7. 08:46 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Mike Luther)
8. 08:53 AM - Re: Fuel tanks and baffels (Phillips, Jack)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: Source for tailwheel spring (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
10. 09:44 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
12. 09:51 AM - Re: A Corksickle Update (Gene and Tammy)
13. 10:17 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Phillips, Jack)
14. 10:39 AM - Re: A corksickle update........ (Gary Gower)
15. 11:02 AM - 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
16. 11:29 AM - Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (Gene and Tammy)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (walt evans)
18. 12:41 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
19. 12:45 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
20. 01:27 PM - Trip Finis (Isablcorky@aol.com)
21. 01:43 PM - Tour De Corky (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
22. 02:04 PM - Prop refinishing/out of the blue (walt evans)
23. 02:32 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
24. 02:33 PM - Re: Trip Finis (Gene and Tammy)
25. 02:40 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid (Rcaprd@aol.com)
26. 03:51 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
27. 05:33 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
28. 06:26 PM - Tour De Corky (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 06:47 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Dick Navratil)
30. 07:05 PM - Re: Fuel tanks (Ed G.)
31. 07:18 PM - Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
32. 07:50 PM - Re: Tour De Corky (Rcaprd@aol.com)
33. 09:16 PM - Re: A Corksickle Update (KMHeide)
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Greg,
Thanks for the heads up report on your galvanized fuel tank. Did you
use 5052 Aluminum on your new tank? The reason I ask is that the
aluminum tank installed in my Piet is stress cracking after only 50
hours. Have no idea what aluminum was used but I want to do it right
when I replace it.
Gene
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From: gcardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Tried this method on NX18235 and we were not happy. The tank was
beautifully constructed and leak checked on the bench.
It held fine for the first hour of flight time and then the tell-tale
blue streaks of 100LL started showing up.
After about 50 hours of flight time the galvanized, riveted and
soldered tank was leaking at the rate of about 1 gallon per hour.
Replaced it with a TIG welded aluminum tank. No more leaks and no more
worries.
Greg Cardinal
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring |
Chuck,
Thanks for the archive report. Did you put the "keels" on your skid plate,
and do you think these are necessary on grass?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Fuel tanks and baffels |
With all the talk about fuel tank and some failures of the thinner tanks,
has anybody installed any baffels in their tanks?
I understand these are fairly small tanks but the baffels would structurally
stiffen the tanks and slow down the fuel "banging" into one side or the
other.
What do you other guys think?
Steve in Maine
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Gene,
Flight time on my tank is zero; I'm about 90% complete and about 70% to go.
My tank was built with an majority assist by a Chapter member who is retired
from the sheet metal trade. he used to make ferry tanks for folks ferrying
aircraft to South America from Miami, so he knows what he's doing. . We did
pressure tests and leak tests until we had it tight.
B. Pietenpol used terne plate for his tanks and a while back Larry Williams
presented considerable detail on his G.I. tank fabrication; should be in the
archives.
Regards,
Lou Larsen
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| Subject: | Source for tailwheel spring |
I got mine at McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/ I forget what
model number I used.
Jack Phillips
Getting ready to fly the Piet to Sun 'n' Fun
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HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Source for tailwheel spring
Hi Pieters,
Can anyone help with a source for the large coil tail wheel spring?
Thanko mucho (that's Spanish for thank you very much).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Gene,
I made my tank out of 5052 aluminum, .040" thick, riveted together and
then TIG welded
Jack
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What grade of
aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal for their tanks?
I could use extra weight up front so the weight is not a negative
factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood one, a loss of about 12
lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found 16 lbs of lead the builder
had installed in front of the tank. I'm going to mount a battery and a
tool box on the firewall and that will help some.
Thanks
Gene
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Gene,
My vote for a fuel tank is .040 5052 H32 Aluminum. You can assemble it easy
enough and have it Tig welded.
Mike Luther
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What
> grade of aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal
> for their tanks? I could use extra weight up front so the weight
> is not a negative factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood
> one, a loss of about 12 lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found
> 16 lbs of lead the builder had installed in front of the tank.
> I'm going to mount a battery and a tool box on the firewall and
> that will help some.
> Thanks
> Gene
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| Subject: | Fuel tanks and baffels |
My tank (centersection) has two baffles acting as ribs to stiffen the
tank. About 80 hours on the plane now and no leaks. 15 gallon tank.
Jack Phillips
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glass
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 7:53 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks and baffels
<redsglass@hotmail.com>
With all the talk about fuel tank and some failures of the thinner
tanks,
has anybody installed any baffels in their tanks?
I understand these are fairly small tanks but the baffels would
structurally
stiffen the tanks and slow down the fuel "banging" into one side or the
other.
What do you other guys think?
Steve in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Source for tailwheel spring |
Try searching for Part # 9624 K6 at http://www.mcmaster.com/
that is the spring for the main landing gear in the Cub type set up with
springs instead of bungees.
that # will bring up the page with the springs and then you can go from
there.
michael
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From: Phillips, Jack
I got mine at McMaster-Carr. http://www.mcmaster.com/ I forget what
model number I used.
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Thanks Mike. My local A & P is saying the same. I just want to explore
all possibilities and find out what other Piet builders have done.
Gene
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From: Mike Luther
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene,
My vote for a fuel tank is .040 5052 H32 Aluminum. You can assemble
it easy enough and have it Tig welded.
Mike Luther
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Date: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:06 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What
> grade of aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal
> for their tanks? I could use extra weight up front so the weight
> is not a negative factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood
> one, a loss of about 12 lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found
> 16 lbs of lead the builder had installed in front of the tank.
> I'm going to mount a battery and a tool box on the firewall and
> that will help some.
> Thanks
> Gene
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Jack,
Hate to make a pest out of myself but where have you found to be the
best place to order your metal. Still haven't decided what I'm going to
use but I need to place an order soon.
How soon can I expect a report on that prop?
Thanks
Gene
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From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene,
I made my tank out of 5052 aluminum, .040" thick, riveted together and
then TIG welded
Jack
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What grade of
aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal for their tanks?
I could use extra weight up front so the weight is not a negative
factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood one, a loss of about 12
lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found 16 lbs of lead the builder
had installed in front of the tank. I'm going to mount a battery and a
tool box on the firewall and that will help some.
Thanks
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: A Corksickle Update |
Ken,
Thanks for the report on Corky the wimp. Where can I find the photos?
Gene
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From: KMHeide
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Corksickle Update
Today we finished securing the airplane and wings in place. Everything
is tucked underneath with the tail section dissembled and stored in the
back of the truck.
As Corky filled up with gas, I made sure the trailer tires were
properly inflated.
Finally with map in one hand and the other waving goodbye, I heard him
exclaim....Merry Christmas to all..... and to yous Yankees with 15
below kiss my cold southern @*#%+ ass!
Tee-hee-hee
Enjoy the trip corky and my god bless you always!
Members...enjoy the photos.
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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I don't know the best place, but I just ordered most of my aluminum from
AS&S. The prop report will probably be after SNF.
Jack Phillips
In San Diego on business, and enjoying the warmth (it was 22 F when I
left NC yesterday)
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Jack,
Hate to make a pest out of myself but where have you found to be the
best place to order your metal. Still haven't decided what I'm going to
use but I need to place an order soon.
How soon can I expect a report on that prop?
Thanks
Gene
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From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene,
I made my tank out of 5052 aluminum, .040" thick, riveted
together and then TIG welded
Jack
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What
grade of aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal for
their tanks? I could use extra weight up front so the weight is not a
negative factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood one, a loss of
about 12 lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found 16 lbs of lead the
builder had installed in front of the tank. I'm going to mount a
battery and a tool box on the firewall and that will help some.
Thanks
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: A corksickle update........ |
Hello Ken,
Thank you very much for the update, (a little late, building keeps me from the
computer ;-)
I understand Corky, I really get "frozen" in winter, now is about 50 F a little
windy and very light rain,,.. One of the coldest days in this winter.
Corky, please keep in touch and when home. write about this trip...
How I would be glad to join them in this adventure... I once trailered an ultralight
(Falcon XP) with a friend all the way from Nevada, was a great experience.
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive.
KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote: Members of the List:
Corky arrived with his son around 1:00 pm Fargo time (amidst zero temperatures,
strong winds, Less then 5 miles visability, windchill of 20 below) to
greet his new found project.. the 42' Blue Boy Defender Aeronca Champ. He arrived
excited yet tired of the long trip up. "Us Yankees handle the cold much better
than them southerners"......
Corky, his son David, me and my daughters started up the salamander heater and
started the work of removing the tail section. Everything went smoothly but
with the cold inside the hanger, it made a 10 minute job much longer. We kept
working with rotation between heater time and planning time. Finally, we moved
the trailer into the hanger along side the plane for loading.
Created a wood platform for the front gear and then another platform for the
tail. With the plane parallel to the trailer, lifted the tail up onto the rear
of the trailer. Then, we planned on lifting the front of the Defender (one gear
leg at a time) onto the trailer with hopes of sliding the wheels across into
position/alignment with the trailer. Since the wood was frozen and had some
frost on it, I added more snow to make it slippery for sliding the planes gear
across it. Corky and I grabbed one side of the front gear leg and his son David
used a dolly on the opposite side to lift that sides' wheel off the floor
as we lifted our side. The tail-wheel was kept in place with a block to prevent
moving on the rear platform. *(Note - Corky being a young man (80 yrs. old)
is extremely strong!!) Together we lifted the entire side of the plane and set
the wheel onto the trailer which was about 3 1/2 feet tall! We then walked around
and grabbed the side David was on and picked
up the wheel and side it the remaining wheel onto the trailer and into position.
In summation, we picked up the entire front of the defender and slide it on
to the trailer. (We are two strong sons-of- *itches! Don't mess with pietenpol
builders!)
After this we decided to call it a day. Total time on loading fuselage.....about
4 1/2 hours. Tomorrow....the wings under the fuselage and then strapping everything
down. Departure time around 1:00 PM or thereabouts.
Photos to follow....
This has been a Corksickle update! He loves winter in North Dakota....Will try
and get him to help make snowman tomorrow...before he is completely frozen and
can't move!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
I can
tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
three
lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
wax...very
stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
fuel systems...see
Bingelis books) or other goop.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
Mike
The tank I removed from my Piet is almost an exact copy of your drawing!
The only difference I noticed is the stainless strap. I'm not sure of the
thickness of the tank. I've even considered just plateing over the tank.
I'm going to take the tank to someone knowledgable to see what they say.
In the end, it'll be me that makes the decision on what to do and it will be
me flying with it. Everyones input has been really helpful. I'm learning a
lot
Thanks for the heads up on the Fuel Lube and yes, teflon tape is a good
thing to keep away from fuel or oil. All it takes is one little ol' piece
to shut you down in a big way (been there/done that with a P/U truck
engine).
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
I can
tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
three
lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
wax...very
stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
fuel systems...see
Bingelis books) or other goop.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
Mine looks very similar to yours mike, except 14 gallons. Made mine to sit
on the original "A" shelf.
No baffles
The pics are of the tank BEFORE having it rewelded by my welder/builder
friend. After I welded it I used it to water the flowers in the garden,
then had it rewelded. :^)
walt evans
NX140DL
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Ben Franklin
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From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
I can
tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
three
lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
wax...very
stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
fuel systems...see
Bingelis books) or other goop.
Mike C.
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Jack,
Haven't seen a problem yet, but don't spend much time at that speed due to
my ears fluttering in the wind. My buddy has a Champ and with the tight
cowling he has he timed us as I tried to catch up for pictures, C-85 on the
Champ
Gordon
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From: Jack T. Textor jtextor@thepalmergroup.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
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Gordon,
At 105 indicated, do you have a concern with control fluter?
Jack
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Gene,
The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian group a
lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of Mogas
with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more damaging
to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
Gordon
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From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
<zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Gordon,
Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did you use?
How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then having it
welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get great
performance out of your plane.
I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a major on the
A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and using a
heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage anyone
considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around and do a
little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the homebuilt sites
(Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol is a big
problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Gene,
> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts of
> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with epoxy
> have
> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew into
> Osh
> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But if weight
> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my Piete. If
> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy starter,
> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine mount
> forward
> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full 22 gal
> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full 2650 rpm
> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang the elbow
> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6 gal/hr
> Fresh
> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass boats for
> a
> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of reasons. I
> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is the
> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real killer on
> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a problem for
> now,
> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
> Thank you
> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
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Mission accomplished 1330 CDT today. Weather beautiful, rather crisp, clear
skies, an hour of beautiful snowfall early Monday morn in Iowa. Tell Mike Cuy
that I tried to write my name in that nawthern white ground cover but I
couldn't find IT.
Thanks Ken for the airplane, work, laughs and that torpedo heater. I'll try
and make a stopover in Hawley on my way to Alaska.
I'll give you a more detailed rundown later. Right now I'm somewhat numb
from 3100 miles in 7 days. Someone told me I might be a bit too old for this
type of livin, but one is only as old as he feels. I did promise Isabelle that
this is my last rodeo.
Corky in beautiful Louisiana ( Warmer )
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Corky,
Glad to hear you are back home safe and sound with your new (old)
Defender. Sorry to hear that IT shrunk to the point of
not being able to find it. Life in the north, I guess.
I sure am glad that you are south of the Mason-Dixon now because the
weather map sez that it is 7 degrees F in Fargo right now
and going to dip below zero tonight. Warm up those Mint Julips or hot
apple cider.
And that line about you are only as old as you feel, I think that has
been oft times misquoted---- it should be 'you are only as old as
who you feel.'
Would love to see any photos from you or Ken or your profile from
America's Most Wanted. I can't believe you fit a stolen ATM machine
on your trailer too:)))
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Prop refinishing/out of the blue |
Just happened to remember when I was looking at some old pics of my
building.....
I had gotten an old Sensinich <sp> and refinished it. I contacted them
and they sent me new decals for free.
You may be able to get them right off the net.
Just a little something.
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
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Gordon,
Your right that as long as you use Avgas, fiberglass tanks are safe. I'm
one of those that simply wants to be able to make the choice without fear of
putting my self or my plane in danger. The last plane I owned (Avid) had
fiberglass tanks and I didn't have one single problem. I always tested
every tank of gas for alcohol. Others with the same plane, same fiberglass
tanks, that did not test their gas, were having bad problems and some planes
may have been lost because of it. Lots of problems with fiberglass and
alcohol are well documented. I'm not trying to scare anyone or badmouth
fiberglass, just want others to be informed.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Gene,
> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian group a
> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of Mogas
> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more
> damaging
> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gordon,
> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did you
> use?
> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then having it
> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get great
> performance out of your plane.
> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a major on
> the
> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and using a
> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage anyone
> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around and do a
> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the homebuilt
> sites
> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol is a big
> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>> Gene,
>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts of
>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with epoxy
>> have
>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew into
>> Osh
>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But if
>> weight
>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my Piete.
>> If
>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy starter,
>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine mount
>> forward
>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full 22 gal
>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full 2650 rpm
>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang the elbow
>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6 gal/hr
>> Fresh
>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass boats for
>> a
>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of reasons. I
>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is the
>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real killer on
>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a problem for
>> now,
>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>> Thank you
>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>
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Glad you made it home safely.
Gene in Tennessee
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
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Mission accomplished 1330 CDT today. Weather beautiful, rather crisp,
clear skies, an hour of beautiful snowfall early Monday morn in Iowa.
Tell Mike Cuy that I tried to write my name in that nawthern white
ground cover but I couldn't find IT.
Thanks Ken for the airplane, work, laughs and that torpedo heater.
I'll try and make a stopover in Hawley on my way to Alaska.
I'll give you a more detailed rundown later. Right now I'm somewhat
numb from 3100 miles in 7 days. Someone told me I might be a bit too old
for this type of livin, but one is only as old as he feels. I did
promise Isabelle that this is my last rodeo.
Corky in beautiful Louisiana ( Warmer )
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid |
In a message dated 1/30/2007 6:09:59 AM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Did you put the "keels" on your skid plate, and do you think these are
necessary on grass?
Nope, no keels on the bottom of the skid plate...just a flat plate. At
Brodhead '03, I had to weld another plate on the skid, because it was worn
through. I can't think of the guy's name, but he has the shop behind the fuel
pumps there, and he found me a piece of metal, and let me use his torches. No
place in the world like Brodhead !! I bought him a six pack of his favorite
beer.
I had to taxi across some asphalt at my home field, and I'm sure it would
have left marks on the asphalt on a hot summer day. I don't think the keel
is really necessary. It handled well on the grass. Get it on the pavement
though, with any cross wind, and it's very difficult to control, unless you are
going very slow, and you have differential brakes. Land on hard surface with a
tail skid, and you are completely at the mercy of a cross wind. I've never
taken out any runway lights, but she did veer off the runway twice, and there
were a few other close calls on hard surface landings. Landing full stall on
the grass was a no-brainer, and she tracked straight on roll out, and the
rudder was effective.
I now have a 3 1/2" steerable tailwheel, but it should have been a 4".
I've got to use some brakes to steer in tall grass. The 1/16" tailwheel cables
run all the way up to the inboard portion of the rudder bar. I can go
anywhere now, with confidence. I used the original tail skid, and added the wheel
to the aft portion, to keep the tail as low as possible. I've got to touch the
tail wheel before the mains, to get a full stall landing now, or she'll
bounce a little because the wing is not done flying yet. If I ever put a 4" wheel
back there, it would be even more challenging to get a full stall landing.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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The Canardian group I'm a member has about 1000 members via Yahoo, several
are engineers in the fuel industry. Since all the Rutanesque type planes
have all composite tanks, this problem of Mogas has been beat around a heck
of alot. Biggest issue is the variable nature of Mogas, diff formula for
different times of year and different regions of the country. Issue of
increased amounts of alcohol in Mogas has been of great concern lately.
Most problems have come from the additives to gas eating the various
gaskets in the entire fuel system. I spent most of my career in the epoxy
industry, so can be pretty sure the least of the problems with composite
tanks is the epoxy. Derakane, epoxie's chemical cousin is used for
underground fuel storage tanks at the local gas station.
Gordon
Original Message:
-----------------
From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
<zharvey@bellsouth.net>
Gordon,
Your right that as long as you use Avgas, fiberglass tanks are safe. I'm
one of those that simply wants to be able to make the choice without fear
of
putting my self or my plane in danger. The last plane I owned (Avid) had
fiberglass tanks and I didn't have one single problem. I always tested
every tank of gas for alcohol. Others with the same plane, same fiberglass
tanks, that did not test their gas, were having bad problems and some
planes
may have been lost because of it. Lots of problems with fiberglass and
alcohol are well documented. I'm not trying to scare anyone or badmouth
fiberglass, just want others to be informed.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Gene,
> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian group a
> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of Mogas
> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more
> damaging
> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gordon,
> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did you
> use?
> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then having it
> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get great
> performance out of your plane.
> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a major on
> the
> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and using a
> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage anyone
> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around and do a
> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the homebuilt
> sites
> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol is a big
> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>> Gene,
>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts of
>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with epoxy
>> have
>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew into
>> Osh
>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But if
>> weight
>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my Piete.
>> If
>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy starter,
>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine mount
>> forward
>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full 22 gal
>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full 2650 rpm
>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang the elbow
>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6 gal/hr
>> Fresh
>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass boats for
>> a
>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of reasons. I
>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is the
>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real killer on
>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a problem for
>> now,
>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>> Thank you
>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>
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All good information to pass along for those interested in building fuel
tanks with fiberglass. I'm certainly not an engineer and don't have a lot
of experience but I do have to question why those with fiberglass tanks that
never use auto gas with alcohol simply don't have problems and those that
use auto gas with alcohol report lots of problems. I don't belong to "Boat
US" anymore (got out of boating) but up to at least last year they were
paying big buck to lobby against alcohol in fuel because of the huge
problems involving fiberglass tanks on boats.
I've about beaten this subject to death but hope to have at least caused
anyone interested to do some independent research.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> The Canardian group I'm a member has about 1000 members via Yahoo, several
> are engineers in the fuel industry. Since all the Rutanesque type planes
> have all composite tanks, this problem of Mogas has been beat around a
> heck
> of alot. Biggest issue is the variable nature of Mogas, diff formula for
> different times of year and different regions of the country. Issue of
> increased amounts of alcohol in Mogas has been of great concern lately.
> Most problems have come from the additives to gas eating the various
> gaskets in the entire fuel system. I spent most of my career in the epoxy
> industry, so can be pretty sure the least of the problems with composite
> tanks is the epoxy. Derakane, epoxie's chemical cousin is used for
> underground fuel storage tanks at the local gas station.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:31:36 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gordon,
> Your right that as long as you use Avgas, fiberglass tanks are safe. I'm
> one of those that simply wants to be able to make the choice without fear
> of
> putting my self or my plane in danger. The last plane I owned (Avid) had
> fiberglass tanks and I didn't have one single problem. I always tested
> every tank of gas for alcohol. Others with the same plane, same
> fiberglass
> tanks, that did not test their gas, were having bad problems and some
> planes
> may have been lost because of it. Lots of problems with fiberglass and
> alcohol are well documented. I'm not trying to scare anyone or badmouth
> fiberglass, just want others to be informed.
> Gene ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian group a
>> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of Mogas
>> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
>> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more
>> damaging
>> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Gordon,
>> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did you
>> use?
>> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then having
>> it
>> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get great
>> performance out of your plane.
>> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a major on
>> the
>> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and using a
>> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
>> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage anyone
>> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around and do a
>> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
>> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the homebuilt
>> sites
>> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol is a
>> big
>> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts of
>>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with epoxy
>>> have
>>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew into
>>> Osh
>>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But if
>>> weight
>>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my Piete.
>>> If
>>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy starter,
>>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine mount
>>> forward
>>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full 22
>>> gal
>>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full 2650 rpm
>>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang the
>>> elbow
>>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6 gal/hr
>>> Fresh
>>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>>
>>>
>>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass boats
>>> for
>>> a
>>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of reasons. I
>>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is the
>>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real killer on
>>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a problem for
>>> now,
>>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>>> Thank you
>>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>>
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Thanks to Ken Heide, we have pictures of Corky's new prize and epic journey.
I've put them on a webpage at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html
Good to have you back south of the Mason-Dixon line, with IT or without IT,
Corky ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Gene
You might want to check a local steel - aluminum warehouse. I just
picked up remanants of 5052-H32. Got 3 30x48" pieces for $42 total. I
am building 2 wing tanks, 9 gal each.
To the other post on tank baffles, they arent hard to install and add
stability and strength.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Jack,
Hate to make a pest out of myself but where have you found to be the
best place to order your metal. Still haven't decided what I'm going to
use but I need to place an order soon.
How soon can I expect a report on that prop?
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene,
I made my tank out of 5052 aluminum, .040" thick, riveted together
and then TIG welded
Jack
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What grade
of aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal for their
tanks? I could use extra weight up front so the weight is not a
negative factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood one, a loss of
about 12 lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found 16 lbs of lead the
builder had installed in front of the tank. I'm going to mount a
battery and a tool box on the firewall and that will help some.
Thanks
Gene
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I have built both of my fuel tanks using West System epoxy and
Fiberglass. An 11 gallon cowl tank and a 7 gallon auxilliary wing tank.
When I built them I was under the impression that epoxy resins were
unaffected by all types of fuel. AFTER they were finished I read up on
it in their manual ( It's a guy thing) and found that the company says
that their epoxy resins will deteriorate from prolonged contact with
alcohol. Maybe they are being over cautious but I feel that I will have
to be careful with ethanol content in auto fuels and try to stick mostly
with Avgas. Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
<zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>>
All good information to pass along for those interested in building
fuel
tanks with fiberglass. I'm certainly not an engineer and don't have a
lot
of experience but I do have to question why those with fiberglass
tanks that
never use auto gas with alcohol simply don't have problems and those
that
use auto gas with alcohol report lots of problems. I don't belong to
"Boat
US" anymore (got out of boating) but up to at least last year they
were
paying big buck to lobby against alcohol in fuel because of the huge
problems involving fiberglass tanks on boats.
I've about beaten this subject to death but hope to have at least
caused
anyone interested to do some independent research.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
To:
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
"gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>"
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
>
> The Canardian group I'm a member has about 1000 members via Yahoo,
several
> are engineers in the fuel industry. Since all the Rutanesque type
planes
> have all composite tanks, this problem of Mogas has been beat around
a
> heck
> of alot. Biggest issue is the variable nature of Mogas, diff
formula for
> different times of year and different regions of the country. Issue
of
> increased amounts of alcohol in Mogas has been of great concern
lately.
> Most problems have come from the additives to gas eating the various
> gaskets in the entire fuel system. I spent most of my career in the
epoxy
> industry, so can be pretty sure the least of the problems with
composite
> tanks is the epoxy. Derakane, epoxie's chemical cousin is used for
> underground fuel storage tanks at the local gas station.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy
zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:31:36 -0600
> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Gordon,
> Your right that as long as you use Avgas, fiberglass tanks are safe.
I'm
> one of those that simply wants to be able to make the choice without
fear
> of
> putting my self or my plane in danger. The last plane I owned
(Avid) had
> fiberglass tanks and I didn't have one single problem. I always
tested
> every tank of gas for alcohol. Others with the same plane, same
> fiberglass
> tanks, that did not test their gas, were having bad problems and
some
> planes
> may have been lost because of it. Lots of problems with fiberglass
and
> alcohol are well documented. I'm not trying to scare anyone or
badmouth
> fiberglass, just want others to be informed.
> Gene ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
> To:
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
"gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>"
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian
group a
>> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of
Mogas
>> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
>> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more
>> damaging
>> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy
zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
>> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>>
>>
>> Gordon,
>> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did
you
>> use?
>> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then
having
>> it
>> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get
great
>> performance out of your plane.
>> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a
major on
>> the
>> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and
using a
>> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
>> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage
anyone
>> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around
and do a
>> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
>> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the
homebuilt
>> sites
>> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol
is a
>> big
>> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
>> To:
<pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>>
>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
"gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>"
>>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net<mailto:gbowen@ptialaska.net>>
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts
of
>>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with
epoxy
>>> have
>>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew
into
>>> Osh
>>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But
if
>>> weight
>>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my
Piete.
>>> If
>>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy
starter,
>>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine
mount
>>> forward
>>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full
22
>>> gal
>>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full
2650 rpm
>>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang
the
>>> elbow
>>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6
gal/hr
>>> Fresh
>>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Gene and Tammy
zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>>> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>>
>>>
>>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net<mailto:zharvey@bellsouth.net>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass
boats
>>> for
>>> a
>>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of
reasons. I
>>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is
the
>>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real
killer on
>>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a
problem for
>>> now,
>>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>>> Thank you
>>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
Walt,
What did you use for the female threaded fittings in your tank? ...and did
you thread AL pipe into it for your cap/gas gauge? Just wondering if once
you use Al for the tank if you must use Al all around due to chemical
reactions between metals.
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
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From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
> Mine looks very similar to yours mike, except 14 gallons. Made mine to sit
> on the original "A" shelf.
> No baffles
> The pics are of the tank BEFORE having it rewelded by my welder/builder
> friend. After I welded it I used it to water the flowers in the garden,
> then had it rewelded. :^)
> walt evans
> NX140DL
>
> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
> Ben Franklin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:00 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
>
>
> My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
> welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
> I can
> tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
>
> Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
> three
> lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
> wax...very
> stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
> fuel systems...see
> Bingelis books) or other goop.
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tour De Corky |
In a message dated 1/30/2007 8:27:56 PM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Thanks to Ken Heide, we have pictures of Corky's new prize and epic journey.
I've put them on a webpage at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html
Good to have you back south of the Mason-Dixon line, with IT or without IT,
Corky ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
OK Oscar,
You haven't got any excuse for not making the trek to Brodhead this summer.
You've got plenty of months to get enough 'Time in the Seat'. And Corky, with
his ARF (Almost Ready to Fly) hasn't got much of an excuse for not making it,
either. All ya gotta do is plug the wings in, and go fly. :) he he he !!
Best of luck to you guys, getting ready for the Big Adventure !! I think
it's going to be an exciting summer !!
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: A Corksickle Update |
Gene,
Not knowing much about my new camera, it appears the photo are too large for
the list site. If you contact Oscar I believe he has resized them and can send
you the photos....
Ken
Gene and Tammy <zharvey@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Ken,
Thanks for the report on Corky the wimp. Where can I find the photos?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 1:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Corksickle Update
Today we finished securing the airplane and wings in place. Everything is tucked
underneath with the tail section dissembled and stored in the back of the
truck.
As Corky filled up with gas, I made sure the trailer tires were properly inflated.
Finally with map in one hand and the other waving goodbye, I heard him exclaim....Merry
Christmas to all..... and to yous Yankees with 15 below kiss my cold
southern @*#%+ ass!
Tee-hee-hee
Enjoy the trip corky and my god bless you always!
Members...enjoy the photos.
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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