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1. 04:14 AM - Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 04:27 AM - Re: Trip Finis ()
3. 04:36 AM - Re: Tour De Corky ()
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Trip Finis ()
5. 05:40 AM - Re: Tour De Corky (Gene and Tammy)
6. 05:43 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
7. 06:03 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Gene and Tammy)
8. 06:18 AM - fiberglass fuel tanks (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 06:21 AM - what does Corky look like ? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
10. 06:23 AM - always helps to attach the photo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
11. 06:31 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
12. 06:42 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (Roman Bukolt)
13. 06:44 AM - Re: always helps to attach the photo (Isablcorky@aol.com)
14. 06:45 AM - Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (walt evans)
15. 06:46 AM - fuel tank (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
16. 07:13 AM - Re: always helps to attach the photo (Gene & Tammy)
17. 07:15 AM - Re: Fuel tanks (hvandervoo@aol.com)
18. 07:24 AM - ()
19. 07:42 AM - Re: Way to go Corky (HelsperSew@aol.com)
20. 08:23 AM - Hegy prop (Oscar Zuniga)
21. 09:31 AM - Hegy Prop 41CC (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
22. 09:41 AM - Re: Hegy prop (Isablcorky@aol.com)
23. 10:28 AM - Re: always helps to attach the photo ()
24. 10:31 AM - Re: what does Corky look like ? (Catdesigns)
25. 10:53 AM - covering your tailfeather (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
26. 11:03 AM - Re: fuel tank (Kirk, Bruce)
27. 11:10 AM - looking for help in Lubbock, TX (Oscar Zuniga)
28. 11:59 AM - Re: covering your tailfeather ()
29. 12:18 PM - Piet video on YouTube (Bill Church)
30. 12:34 PM - Re: covering your tailfeather (Dave Abramson)
31. 12:36 PM - Re: covering your tailfeather (Dave Abramson)
32. 01:01 PM - Re: Piet video on YouTube (walt evans)
33. 02:52 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid (Rcaprd@aol.com)
34. 03:03 PM - Re: Piet video on YouTube (Jeff Boatright)
35. 03:06 PM - Re: fuel tank (Bill Church)
36. 03:29 PM - Re: Piet video on YouTube (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
37. 03:39 PM - Re: what does Corky look like ? (Rcaprd@aol.com)
38. 04:22 PM - Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering (shad bell)
39. 04:49 PM - Re: Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering (Ben Ramler)
40. 05:36 PM - Re: Piet video on YouTube (DJ Vegh)
41. 06:15 PM - Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid (Don Emch)
42. 06:15 PM - Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles (Dick Navratil)
43. 06:27 PM - Re: Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering (Don Emch)
44. 08:25 PM - Re: fuel tank and ethanol (gcardinal)
45. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid |
Chuck,
You said you need to change your 3-1/2" tail wheel with a 4" wheel. Why?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Great to hear you made it.I wish I was with you down there in the south.It's
20 degrees celcius up here today and it looks like we will warm up to minus
2 for Friday then right back to minus 20 for Monday and that's the high for
the day.I was in Florida for a week in November.I wish I could take that
week now.Have fun putting the plane together.
>From: "Gene and Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:09 -0600
>
>Glad you made it home safely.
>Gene in Tennessee
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:25 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
>
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Mission accomplished 1330 CDT today. Weather beautiful, rather crisp,
>clear skies, an hour of beautiful snowfall early Monday morn in Iowa. Tell
>Mike Cuy that I tried to write my name in that nawthern white ground cover
>but I couldn't find IT.
> Thanks Ken for the airplane, work, laughs and that torpedo heater. I'll
>try and make a stopover in Hawley on my way to Alaska.
> I'll give you a more detailed rundown later. Right now I'm somewhat numb
>from 3100 miles in 7 days. Someone told me I might be a bit too old for
>this type of livin, but one is only as old as he feels. I did promise
>Isabelle that this is my last rodeo.
>
> Corky in beautiful Louisiana ( Warmer )
>
>
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I didn't see any pics of Corky,just the plane ,trailor and truck.I was
hoping to see what a sawtherner looks like.HAHAHA!
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tour De Corky
>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:26:29 -0600
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Thanks to Ken Heide, we have pictures of Corky's new prize and epic
>journey. I've put them on a webpage at
>http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html
>
>Good to have you back south of the Mason-Dixon line, with IT or without IT,
>Corky ;o)
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>something more.
>
>
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That should have read minus 20 C in the first line ,sorry about that.
>From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:27:01 +0000
>
>
>Great to hear you made it.I wish I was with you down there in the
>south.It's 20 degrees celcius up here today and it looks like we will warm
>up to minus 2 for Friday then right back to minus 20 for Monday and that's
>the high for the day.I was in Florida for a week in November.I wish I could
>take that week now.Have fun putting the plane together.
>
>
>>From: "Gene and Tammy" <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
>>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:33:09 -0600
>>
>>Glad you made it home safely.
>>Gene in Tennessee
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Isablcorky@aol.com
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:25 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Trip Finis
>>
>>
>> Do Not Archive
>>
>> Mission accomplished 1330 CDT today. Weather beautiful, rather crisp,
>>clear skies, an hour of beautiful snowfall early Monday morn in Iowa. Tell
>>Mike Cuy that I tried to write my name in that nawthern white ground cover
>>but I couldn't find IT.
>> Thanks Ken for the airplane, work, laughs and that torpedo heater. I'll
>>try and make a stopover in Hawley on my way to Alaska.
>> I'll give you a more detailed rundown later. Right now I'm somewhat
>>numb from 3100 miles in 7 days. Someone told me I might be a bit too old
>>for this type of livin, but one is only as old as he feels. I did promise
>>Isabelle that this is my last rodeo.
>>
>> Corky in beautiful Louisiana ( Warmer )
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tour De Corky |
Thanks Oscar and Ken for the photos. Shame Corky didn't get that cool
weather ride in a Piet while he was there.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tour De Corky
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks to Ken Heide, we have pictures of Corky's new prize and epic
> journey. I've put them on a webpage at
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Defender.html
>
> Good to have you back south of the Mason-Dixon line, with IT or without
> IT, Corky ;o)
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> something more.
>
>
>
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Good idea Dick. That is a good price plus you saved shipping. Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene
You might want to check a local steel - aluminum warehouse. I just
picked up remanants of 5052-H32. Got 3 30x48" pieces for $42 total. I
am building 2 wing tanks, 9 gal each.
To the other post on tank baffles, they arent hard to install and add
stability and strength.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Jack,
Hate to make a pest out of myself but where have you found to be the
best place to order your metal. Still haven't decided what I'm going to
use but I need to place an order soon.
How soon can I expect a report on that prop?
Thanks
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
Gene,
I made my tank out of 5052 aluminum, .040" thick, riveted together
and then TIG welded
Jack
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene and
Tammy
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:57 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I'm checking into building a new fuel tank for my Piet. What
grade of aluminum should I use? Has anyone used any other metal for
their tanks? I could use extra weight up front so the weight is not a
negative factor. I'm changing from a metal prop to a wood one, a loss of
about 12 lbs Plus when I pulled my old tank I found 16 lbs of lead the
builder had installed in front of the tank. I'm going to mount a
battery and a tool box on the firewall and that will help some.
Thanks
Gene
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ED,
I know I said I wasn't going to comment anymore on Fiberglass tanks but
maybe I can help put your mind at ease. The problem with the alcohol
comes from the fuel setting in the tanks, usually takes a year or more.
It first shows up as gunk going into your carb. I have not heard of
anyone having a problem that closley checked their fuel each and every
time before they fueled with auto gas. (you don't want to use fuel
with alcohol anyway, as pointed out by Gordon, that it destroys many
other things on your engine). It's easy to make a tester for your fuel
for alcohol. If you need that info, contact me off line.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ed G.
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
I have built both of my fuel tanks using West System epoxy and
Fiberglass. An 11 gallon cowl tank and a 7 gallon auxilliary wing tank.
When I built them I was under the impression that epoxy resins were
unaffected by all types of fuel. AFTER they were finished I read up on
it in their manual ( It's a guy thing) and found that the company says
that their epoxy resins will deteriorate from prolonged contact with
alcohol. Maybe they are being over cautious but I feel that I will have
to be careful with ethanol content in auto fuels and try to stick mostly
with Avgas. Ed G.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene and Tammy
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
<zharvey@bellsouth.net>
All good information to pass along for those interested in building
fuel
tanks with fiberglass. I'm certainly not an engineer and don't have
a lot
of experience but I do have to question why those with fiberglass
tanks that
never use auto gas with alcohol simply don't have problems and those
that
use auto gas with alcohol report lots of problems. I don't belong
to "Boat
US" anymore (got out of boating) but up to at least last year they
were
paying big buck to lobby against alcohol in fuel because of the huge
problems involving fiberglass tanks on boats.
I've about beaten this subject to death but hope to have at least
caused
anyone interested to do some independent research.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> The Canardian group I'm a member has about 1000 members via Yahoo,
several
> are engineers in the fuel industry. Since all the Rutanesque type
planes
> have all composite tanks, this problem of Mogas has been beat
around a
> heck
> of alot. Biggest issue is the variable nature of Mogas, diff
formula for
> different times of year and different regions of the country.
Issue of
> increased amounts of alcohol in Mogas has been of great concern
lately.
> Most problems have come from the additives to gas eating the
various
> gaskets in the entire fuel system. I spent most of my career in
the epoxy
> industry, so can be pretty sure the least of the problems with
composite
> tanks is the epoxy. Derakane, epoxie's chemical cousin is used
for
> underground fuel storage tanks at the local gas station.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:31:36 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gordon,
> Your right that as long as you use Avgas, fiberglass tanks are
safe. I'm
> one of those that simply wants to be able to make the choice
without fear
> of
> putting my self or my plane in danger. The last plane I owned
(Avid) had
> fiberglass tanks and I didn't have one single problem. I always
tested
> every tank of gas for alcohol. Others with the same plane, same
> fiberglass
> tanks, that did not test their gas, were having bad problems and
some
> planes
> may have been lost because of it. Lots of problems with
fiberglass and
> alcohol are well documented. I'm not trying to scare anyone or
badmouth
> fiberglass, just want others to be informed.
> Gene ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian
group a
>> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two
of Mogas
>> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most
other
>> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is
more
>> damaging
>> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Gordon,
>> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness
did you
>> use?
>> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then
having
>> it
>> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you
get great
>> performance out of your plane.
>> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a
major on
>> the
>> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and
using a
>> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
>> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage
anyone
>> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around
and do a
>> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source
of
>> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the
homebuilt
>> sites
>> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol
is a
>> big
>> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all
sorts of
>>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with
epoxy
>>> have
>>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first
flew into
>>> Osh
>>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But
if
>>> weight
>>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my
Piete.
>>> If
>>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy
starter,
>>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine
mount
>>> forward
>>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with
full 22
>>> gal
>>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full
2650 rpm
>>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang
the
>>> elbow
>>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6
gal/hr
>>> Fresh
>>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>> Original Message:
>>> -----------------
>>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>>
>>>
>>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass
boats
>>> for
>>> a
>>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of
reasons. I
>>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason
is the
>>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real
killer on
>>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a
problem for
>>> now,
>>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>>> Thank you
>>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>>
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| Subject: | fiberglass fuel tanks |
If I were to build a fiberglass fuel tank for an aircraft, I'd use
vinylester resin only. It's smelly, fussy about resin/hardener
proportioning, but resistant to fuels and most alcohols. Most.
That said, if I flew with a Bendix Stromberg NAS3 carb, after my experience
with 41CC, I would never let auto gas near it. The carb operates perfectly
with avgas, but is a dribbling mess on auto gas. The float level was set
perfectly and everything works perfectly with avgas. It does not like auto
gas, alcohol or not.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | what does Corky look like ? |
The Gentleman from Louisiana, attached.
Mike C.
"walk tall and carry a big prop"
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| Subject: | always helps to attach the photo |
what do you expect from some Yankee boy, anyway ?
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Folks:
Bellow are a series of snippets form the Flyrotary list (I lurk) where
the subject of alcohol in fuel and composite fuel tanks was recently
discussed. (a few fast glass builders). and my be of interest to
composite fuel tank builders here.
you may find more on the subject here:
Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/
michael silvius
scarborough, maine
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After flying for six years, finally removed and disassembled my glass
and
foam header tank. During those six years I periodically used ethanol
fuel
and whatever. Always used auto fuel. No evidence of degradation of any
component....soft aluminum, foam, epoxy. All looks perfect.
I'm going to replace glass tank with aluminum so I can mount two wet
pumps inside. Wet pumps the only way to go for safety advantage.
Just a reminder, all epoxy that is fuel exposed must be high ratio type.
Like 4 to 1. 50/50 ratio epoxies can NOT handle fuel over time.
-al wick
Cozy IV powered by Turbo Subaru 3.0R with variable valve lift and cam
timing.
Artificial intelligence in cockpit, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland,
Oregon
Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment
info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
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I used both the Aeropoxy and West Systems in the construction of my
integral fuel tank.
I can now confirm that the tank has been severely deteriorated by the
use of auto fuel, mostly in the last year or two since ethanol has been
added.
Jim
Dyke Delta N11XD
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Spoke to an Industrial Chemist with a long history in resin manufacture.
He
tells me that only about 4 companies in the world manufacture resin and
distribute it - the complex part is the catalyst. The better the
catalyst
the better the total product.
George ( down under)
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Just another data point for you to add to your list. Jeffco 1307 resin
with
3102 or 3156 hardener is a 100:25 system by volume, or 100:22 by weight.
The
differences in the hardeners are time to cure... the 3102 is a fast
cure, with
a 15 minute pot life, the 3156 is a slower cure, with 30 minute pot
life. I
also use their 3179 hardener down here in FL where the temps get
outrageous in
the summertime, for a 45-50 minute pot life. The 3179 also has a much
lower
viscosity than the other hardeners so it makes a thinner mixture...
makes
wetting out much easier, even with temps down into the 60s. Once again,
this
is the resin system used in the Lancairs.
Marvin Kaye
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The ratio info I got from both Gary Hunter and personal experience. In
general, ratios near 50/50 are not as chemical resistant. But I know
nothing about EZ poxy directly.
-al wick
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To put a bit of perspective on this, one will be hard pressed to find a
laminating epoxy that is in the 100:25 range, such as Al W wrote.
E-Z Poxy 100:45 by weight
MGS 285/287 (and 335) 100:45 by weight
Pro-Set 100:30 by weight
AEROPOXY is 100:27 by weight
ACSpruce's data on the West System 105/205 spec was "5:1"
which suggests it is a volume measurement, but it doesn't have
the Rutan Blessing, last I knew.
IIRC, Perry Mick used MGS 335 and runs auto fuel in his EZ.
Dale Rogers
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Charlie Smith, who used to be on the list but isn't any more is an
industrial chemist. He is building the same plane as I am, and we use
the Aeropoxy system. As a test, I made up some samples (1" square pieces
of fiberglass) and coated them with Jeffco 9700 FCR. He made up some
samples coated with Aeropoxy. He then weighed them and then soaked them
in 10 (or 15?)% alcohol in gasoline. The Jeffco samples did swell some
and gain some weight, but remained intact. The Aeropoxy samples flaked
off and disintegrated.
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=9700-1G&Category=992
b7b06-e01b-4918-bb0c-79343cdb7869
Our interpretation was that the Jeffco coating is fine, but we are still
concerned about the joint where the wing skin is bonded on as the last
step to closing the wing. That area is impossible to coat with the
Jeffco. That bonding agent is a Hysol material that we have not tested
with the alcohol.
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser # 4045
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Bill,
My past research indicates that Hysol is a very high quality product -
Used in the Europa as well I believe.
George Lendich <lendich@optusnet.com.au>( down under)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/cs/fueltanksealants.html
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My two cents worth.
Bill Rewey has logged over 500 hrs. on his Pietenpol over the last 16 yrs.
He has a fiberglas wing tank made with epoxy in his plane. Mostly he burns
auto fuel but also has burned enough 100LL to eventually freeze up one of
his exh. valves.
Here in Madison, Wi. we purchase our auto gas from Citgo. No alcohol.
Roman Bukolt NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Gene,
> The issue of alcohol in fuel has been batted around the canardian group a
> lot. Concensus is use AVgas, unless forced to use a tank or two of Mogas
> with alcohol. Epoxy is pretty resistant to alcohol and most other
> solvents, I suspect the aromatics they put in no-lead fuel is more
> damaging
> to epoxy tanks than the issue of alcohol. I run only Avgas.
> Gordon
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 18:02:33 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>
> Gordon,
> Very interested in your galvanized steel tank. What thickness did you
> use?
> How hard was it to work with? I plan on forming my own and then having it
> welded by someone that knows what their doing. Sounds like you get great
> performance out of your plane.
> I'm in the middle of completely going thru my Piet and doing a major on
> the
> A-65. I'm not completely happy with the current fuel tank and using a
> heavier metel would allow me to do away with the lead.
> As far as fiberglass using polyester resin or epoxy I encourage anyone
> considering building a fuel tank from fiberglass to check around and do a
> little investigating pior to building. Boat US is a good source of
> information on fiberglass fuel tanks as well as many of the homebuilt
> sites
> (Avid, Kit Fox ect) that use fiberglass tanks. Fuel with alcohol is a big
> problem for fiberglass tanks everyone should be awear of..
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 4:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>
>
>> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>>
>> Gene,
>> Fiberglass made using polyester resin is a problem with all sorts of
>> solvents, including normal fuel. But fiberglass tanks made with epoxy
>> have
>> been in service with the canard-pusher guys since Rutan first flew into
>> Osh
>> in the early 70's. If they're done right, they don't leak. But if
>> weight
>> is the consideration, make them out of galvanized steel like my Piete.
>> If
>> fixed my weight problem (I'm 275lbs) with a 0-235 engine, chevy starter,
>> car battery under legs of passenger seat and moved the engine mount
>> forward
>> about 4". With Aeronca wings get about 750'/min. climb, with full 22 gal
>> fuel, my fat carcass, and indicates 105 mph at 3000' with full 2650 rpm
>> power. But love to cruise at 2000 rpm at 75mph indicated, hang the elbow
>> out the side like driving a convertable, fuel burn is about 6 gal/hr
>> Fresh
>> jugs on Lyco gets about 108 hp.
>> Gordon
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Gene and Tammy zharvey@bellsouth.net
>> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 13:30:11 -0600
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuel tanks
>>
>>
>> <zharvey@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Thanks for the reply Gordon.
>> Fiberglass was considered as I've built and repaired fiberglass boats for
>> a
>> fair number of years. I discarded the idea for a number of reasons. I
>> actually need more weight not less. I guess the biggest reason is the
>> alcohol that is finding its way into almost all fuel. A real killer on
>> fiberglass tanks. If you use only av gas it shouldn't be a problem for
>> now,
>> but I end up using a lot of auto gas.
>> Thank you
>> Gene in Tennessee (down with the flu)
>>
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| Subject: | Re: always helps to attach the photo |
Mike,
That's a pic when I received my prop from Hegy for 41CC. Gosh I sure looked
young. Thanks for the reminder.
Ole Reb
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| Subject: | Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
Glen,
I got them out of the AS&S catalog. You can choose the size . Mine was 1/4"
NPT fuel output. Called "Aluminum Welding Flanges"
And filler fitting matched the fill pipe/cap that they also supplied. Comes
as a set with cap,neck, and welding flange.
In fuel section. (2004/2005 catalog page 158)
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> Walt,
> What did you use for the female threaded fittings in your tank? ...and
> did you thread AL pipe into it for your cap/gas gauge? Just wondering if
> once you use Al for the tank if you must use Al all around due to chemical
> reactions between metals.
>
> Glenn W. Thomas
> Storrs, CT
> http://www.flyingwood.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
>
>
>> Mine looks very similar to yours mike, except 14 gallons. Made mine to
>> sit
>> on the original "A" shelf.
>> No baffles
>> The pics are of the tank BEFORE having it rewelded by my welder/builder
>> friend. After I welded it I used it to water the flowers in the garden,
>> then had it rewelded. :^)
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>>
>> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
>> Ben Franklin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:00 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
>>
>>
>>
>> My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
>> welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
>> I can
>> tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
>>
>> Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
>> three
>> lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
>> wax...very
>> stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
>> fuel systems...see
>> Bingelis books) or other goop.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline production, how long
will it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can argue that the FAA
won't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas production.
Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this before, but at
EAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and one of the guys
claimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What next? Leon S. In
Ks. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.
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| Subject: | Re: always helps to attach the photo |
Corky,
Glad you made it home safe and sound. Do you happen to have contact
info for hegy? How did you like the prop and what size is it?
Gene
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Guys,
On the subject of Avgas vs Auto gas:
Please be aware that auto gas is not the same year around (winter gas vs summer
gas)
Or from state to state, In Texas, Kalifornia and a few others Ethanol is a mandatory
component.
You want to test for ethanol it is very easy, use your standard aviation fuel tester,
add a few drops of water, shake it if the water does not settle out at
the bottom of the cup, you have ethanol in the fuel.
Ethanol is hygroscopic it absorbs water and it will do this while stored at your
local gas station.
Avgas is Avgas no matter where or when you fill up
I had my bad experience with Auto gas and use only Avgas now.
It is simply cheap insurance.
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: Way to go Corky |
Joe,
Thanks for the reminder to who we owe all. Where are you at in N.E.
ILLinois?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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I'll let Corky reply on his experience with the Hegy 72x42 prop on 41CC
since he flew the airplane with a metal prop before he had the Hegy on it,
but so far my experience with it has been very good. In climbout at 50MPH
with this prop, the engine turns 2250RPM. The prop is nice.
Not sure what Corky paid for it, but probably $500-$600. Again, I'll let
him chime in here.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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The guy who knows all those details (probably by memory) is Edwin
Johnson, Corky's test pilot and Turbo Commander captain.
(well....retired).
Of course once Corky thaws out he'll remember too.
I'll let Corky reply on his experience with the Hegy 72x42 prop on 41CC
since he flew the airplane with a metal prop before he had the Hegy on
it, but so far my experience with it has been very good. In climbout at
50MPH with this prop, the engine turns 2250RPM. The prop is nice.
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Oscar, you are doing a good job about the prop. Hegy 72X42 as recommended by
most. Made from birch. I'll try and find address as he has moved to Colorado
from Marfa, Tx. The second prop I bought from him is laminated maple and
walnut for 311CC which I sold as a project Tim Willis in Georgetown, Tx. Pd $580
w/freight.
Corky
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| Subject: | always helps to attach the photo |
Now there is a real sawthern gentleman!Prop and all.I hope I get to see ya
all in person some day Corky.I'll bet ya got some great stories!
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: always helps to attach the photo
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:22:20 -0600
>
>what do you expect from some Yankee boy, anyway ?
>
>
><< corkyprop.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Re: what does Corky look like ? |
Here is another picture of Corky
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/corky/Corky_and_Plane.jpg
and lets not forget Saint Isabelle, who I can believe let him buy
another project plane. Didn't he sell the last project to spend more
time with her? I hope he brought her something gold and sparkly from the
far north.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/corky/Corky3.jpg
Almost forgot, here is a picture of the guy who flew Corky's plane
because he couldn't. Looks a lot like his twin brother, Claude. Ya, I
think that's who it is.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/corky/P1010062.jpg
do not archive
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: what does Corky look like ?
The Gentleman from Louisiana, attached.
Mike C.
"walk tall and carry a big prop"
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| Subject: | covering your tailfeather |
Here we see this WWII Veteran from Louisiana covering one of his
flippers. Union shop rate: $85/hour for Yankee customers.
Mike C.
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On Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:45:59 -0600
lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) wrote:
Has anyone investigated the idea of using thin stainless
steel as a alternative to
aluminum or any other material for fuel tanks.
Bruce Kirk bkirk@yccd.edu
>(Leon Stefan)
>
> With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline
>production, how long
> will it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can
>argue that the FAA
> won't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas
>production.
> Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this
>before, but at
> EAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and
>one of the guys
> claimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What
>next? Leon S. In
> Ks. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.
>
>
>page,
>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
>Forums!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | looking for help in Lubbock, TX |
I have some engine parts headed to Lubbock, TX this weekend and need to see
if I can find someone in or around Lubbock who could store them for me till
I can pick them up. A set of engine cases and heads. If you are willing,
please email me off-line, NOT to the list please.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | covering your tailfeather |
Man does he look intence!
>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering your tailfeather
>Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 12:51:39 -0600
>
>Here we see this WWII Veteran from Louisiana covering one of his
>flippers. Union shop rate: $85/hour for Yankee customers.
>
>Mike C.
>
><< Corkycovering.jpg >>
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| Subject: | Piet video on YouTube |
There's a video on YouTube of a side-by-side Piet (that's currently for
sale on Barnstormers) flying on a bit of a windy day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
If the link doesn't work, just type wingit demo in the YouTube search
box.
The plane looks a little strange - wings look short (no center section),
cabanes similar to a Baby Ace, landing gear looks narrow, and of course,
the fuse is wider (duh).
Bill C
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| Subject: | covering your tailfeather |
WoW!!! That yank gets up early! (5:38am)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering your tailfeather
Here we see this WWII Veteran from Louisiana covering one of his flippers.
Union shop rate: $85/hour for Yankee customers.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | covering your tailfeather |
OOOOOOOOP's!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean that "SOUTHERN GENTELMAN"... (was doing 3
things at once)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering your tailfeather
Here we see this WWII Veteran from Louisiana covering one of his flippers.
Union shop rate: $85/hour for Yankee customers.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piet video on YouTube |
Bill ,
The only things that look like Pietenpol is the tail section.
Oh well, that was quite a breeze!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet video on YouTube
There's a video on YouTube of a side-by-side Piet (that's currently
for sale on Barnstormers) flying on a bit of a windy day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
If the link doesn't work, just type wingit demo in the YouTube
search box.
The plane looks a little strange - wings look short (no center
section), cabanes similar to a Baby Ace, landing gear looks narrow, and
of course, the fuse is wider (duh).
Bill C
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid |
In a message dated 1/31/2007 6:16:22 AM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
You said you need to change your 3-1/2" tail wheel with a 4" wheel. Why?
Well, it was only a consideration, and would simply be to help taxiing in
tall grass, no other reason. When I taxi In the grass I have to use a
brake to help 'er go where she needs to go, like a turnaround at the end of the
runway. On the pavement, though, I don't need the brakes to turn fairly sharp.
On landing roll out, I try not to use any brakes at all. The rudder is more
than effective enough. I have Titan 8.00 X 6 turf tires for the mains, so the
downside of the 4" wheel, is that a 3 point, full stall landing would be more
difficult to make 'er stay on the ground without a bounce, because the wing
is not yet stalled all the way. If you had the taller motorcycle wheels, a
full stall would be easier to come by.
With the set up I have now, I can spin doughnuts with one brake locked,
about 1200 rpm, some forward stick to get the tail off the ground a couple of
inches, smoke pouring out till she disappears behind a man made cloud !!
After exhaustive testing of the side loads on the tail skid / wheel, there is no
damage to the short little wheel back there !! That manuver is kind of my
trade mark, so I'm not going to mess with the tailwheel.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Piet video on YouTube |
Did you notice that that "Piet" has no flying wires between the wing
struts? LG looks like a Grega.
At 3:18 PM -0500 1/31/07, Bill Church wrote:
>There's a video on YouTube of a side-by-side Piet (that's currently
>for sale on Barnstormers) flying on a bit of a windy day:
>
>
><http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
>
>If the link doesn't work, just type wingit demo in the YouTube search box.
>
>The plane looks a little strange - wings look short (no center
>section), cabanes similar to a Baby Ace, landing gear looks
>narrow, and of course, the fuse is wider (duh).
>
>
>Bill C
>
>
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Bruce,
The most likely reason for choosing aluminum over stainless steel is
weight. On a volumetric basis, stainless steel weighs almost 3 times as
much as aluminum. The typical aluminum tank seems to be made from .040"
thick aluminum. This thickness can be TIG welded successfully (by a
skilled welder) to produce a leak-proof tank. The thinnest stainless
steel that can practically be welded (again, by a skilled TIG welder) is
probably 22ga (.031" thick) or 20ga (.037").
Without doing any accurate calculations, it looks like the typical nose
tank (like Mike Cuy's sketch) might have about 20 square feet of
surface. Aluminum weighs .563 pounds per square foot for .040"
thickness, and T304 stainless steel weighs 1.27 pounds per sq.ft. for
.031" thickness. The aluminum tank would weigh about 11 pounds, whereas
the stainless tank would weigh about 25 1/2 pounds. That's a 14+ pound
penalty. (If you choose 20ga st.st. add an additional 5 pounds.)
Bill C
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| Subject: | Re: Piet video on YouTube |
This plane was advertized for sale localy here in Manie last year and I
went to see it. Workmanship over all looked decent. It is side-by-each
seating but it is a tight squeze. Mother better be real tiny. I believe
I measured it at 34 inch wide at the elbows. It has a door of sorts on
the left side. Also has a shelf that runs along the bottom edge of the
panel that is a X brace beween the two sides of the fuselage. The
cabanes are canted inwards with no wing center section, though as best I
could tell it is a two piece wing. The word was that it is a bit hot to
handle with the short wings. I was also told that with the wider
frontal profile it is a bit dragier than she ought to be and could
actually use a bit more in the HP dept.
michael silvius
scarborough, maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
There's a video on YouTube of a side-by-side Piet (that's currently
for sale on Barnstormers) flying on a bit of a windy day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
If the link doesn't work, just type wingit demo in the YouTube
search box.
The plane looks a little strange - wings look short (no center
section), cabanes similar to a Baby Ace, landing gear looks narrow, and
of course, the fuse is wider (duh).
Bill C
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| Subject: | Re: what does Corky look like ? |
Here is a picture of Corky, when he sat down for a minute, after loading the
1942 Aeronca Defender. Not sure who that is with him... :) he he he !!
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| Subject: | Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering |
Howdy Gents, Just wondering if anyone planned on going into the bee hive up at
lake winnabago AKA Oshkosh, after Brodhead 07. Never flown in there before,
But wouldn't mind flying up as a group if anyone was interested. Also wondering
if anyone gave anymore thought to the Ohio area Piet gathering. The WACO
Fly In at Wynkoop Field would be a good time I think. I remember someone was
trying to look into having one in Aliance at Barber Field but haven't heard anything
since. As far as NX92GB we are still waiting to get the heads back from
the machine shop. New crank and lower end is ready to go togeather. I guess
we'll give the old Chevy one more try. If it has as much power as before, and
she stays togeather, "she's in there like swim wear." If any of you are attending
fly-ins within a couple hrs piet time of Central Ohio email me and I'll
try to meet up with you.
Stay out of the trees, and on the dry side of the ice,
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering |
Sorry for the stupid question but, isn't broadhead still happening? I will
say right now Iplan on coming with whatever I have done on my piet.=0A=0ABe
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after Brodhead 07. Never flown in there before, But wouldn't mind flying
up as a group if anyone was interested. Also wondering if anyone gave anym
ore thought to the Ohio area Piet gathering. The WACO Fly In at Wynkoop Fi
eld would be a good time I think. I remember someone was trying to look in
to having one in Aliance at Barber Field but haven't heard anything since.
As far as NX92GB we are still waiting to get the heads back from the machi
ne shop. New crank and lower end is ready to go togeather. I guess we'll
give the old Chevy one more try. If it has as much power as before, and sh
e stays togeather, "she's in there like swim wear." If any of you are atte
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| Subject: | Re: Piet video on YouTube |
wow... sure looks like it could use an extra 3' of wing on each site....
different but neat!
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL SILVIUS
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet video on YouTube
This plane was advertized for sale localy here in Manie last year and
I went to see it. Workmanship over all looked decent. It is side-by-each
seating but it is a tight squeze. Mother better be real tiny. I believe
I measured it at 34 inch wide at the elbows. It has a door of sorts on
the left side. Also has a shelf that runs along the bottom edge of the
panel that is a X brace beween the two sides of the fuselage. The
cabanes are canted inwards with no wing center section, though as best I
could tell it is a two piece wing. The word was that it is a bit hot to
handle with the short wings. I was also told that with the wider
frontal profile it is a bit dragier than she ought to be and could
actually use a bit more in the HP dept.
michael silvius
scarborough, maine
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
There's a video on YouTube of a side-by-side Piet (that's currently
for sale on Barnstormers) flying on a bit of a windy day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06_I-of-XhM
If the link doesn't work, just type wingit demo in the YouTube
search box.
The plane looks a little strange - wings look short (no center
section), cabanes similar to a Baby Ace, landing gear looks narrow, and
of course, the fuse is wider (duh).
Bill C
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid |
Chuck,
It's funny you talk about going from a 3 1/2" wheel to a 4" wheel. It sure doesn't
sound like much but I had a 3 1/2" wheel and decided I could squeeze a 4"
into its place. It really made a big difference both in the steering effectiveness
and the ride while taxiing. It doesn't 'jar' the spring nearly as much
now. Its crazy to think it would make a difference but it really did! I really
don't think the weight difference was much either. Here's a shot;
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=91988#91988
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| Subject: | Re: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles |
You should probably order the 3/8" welding flange. Then you can install the
finger strainer in the tank and that has a 1/4" finished thread.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> Walt,
> What did you use for the female threaded fittings in your tank? ...and
> did you thread AL pipe into it for your cap/gas gauge? Just wondering if
> once you use Al for the tank if you must use Al all around due to chemical
> reactions between metals.
>
> Glenn W. Thomas
> Storrs, CT
> http://www.flyingwood.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
>
>
>> Mine looks very similar to yours mike, except 14 gallons. Made mine to
>> sit
>> on the original "A" shelf.
>> No baffles
>> The pics are of the tank BEFORE having it rewelded by my welder/builder
>> friend. After I welded it I used it to water the flowers in the garden,
>> then had it rewelded. :^)
>> walt evans
>> NX140DL
>>
>> "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
>> Ben Franklin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 2:00 PM
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 17 gallon nose tank, no baffles
>>
>>
>>
>> My behind the firewall tank is just like Jack's being 5052 .040" and TIG
>> welded. I have the tank well supported so it doesn't oil can on me that
>> I can
>> tell and no leaks after 300 plus hours.
>>
>> Used Fuel Lube on the screw-in fittings. Small can will last you two or
>> three
>> lifetimes and to share with other homebuilders. I liken it to cold bees
>> wax...very
>> stiff and sticky but better than using teflon tape (which is verboten in
>> fuel systems...see
>> Bingelis books) or other goop.
>>
>> Mike C.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead 07, Ohio Gathering |
Hey Shad,
I plan to do the WACO and T-Craft Fly-ins this year. I talked to Forrest Barber
about doubling up with the T-Craft guys and he was very positve and liked the
idea and had even talked about calling the Fly-in a Taylorcraft/Aeronca/Pietenpol
Fly-in. That was his plan and I plan to show up for it. I really enjoy
flying in to Barber Airport and Forrest is quite a character. I'm sure those
of you that know him know what I mean. I'm also going to try for Mt. Vernon
and the Waco Fly-in. That is kinda getting in the way of some family vacation
plans and I'll have to watch on that one. But I'm sure gonna try. Also thinking
I might be able to wrestle some time off work for Brodhead too. Would like
to do OSH but really think that would be pushing it for me.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank and ethanol |
Hi Leon,
Things might not be quite so bleak. A few years ago in Minnesota laws were
passed that required all gasoline to contain a percentage of ethanol. The
Minnesota Street Rod Association balked and successfully lobbied to allow
gas stations to sell non-oxygenated gasoline for off-road vehicles, lawn
mowers, snowblowers, etc...
The MSRA maintains a listing of all gas stations in Minnesota selling
non-oxygenated gasoline.
Check with your local Street Rod Association.
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 8:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
>
> With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline production, how long
> will it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can argue that the FAA
> won't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas production.
> Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this before, but at
> EAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and one of the guys
> claimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What next? Leon S. In
> Ks. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwheel spring & Skid |
In a message dated 1/31/2007 8:17:38 PM Central Standard Time,
EmchAir@aol.com writes:
Chuck,
It's funny you talk about going from a 3 1/2" wheel to a 4" wheel. It sure
doesn't sound like much but I had a 3 1/2" wheel and decided I could squeeze a
4" into its place. It really made a big difference both in the steering
effectiveness and the ride while taxiing. It doesn't 'jar' the spring nearly as
much now. Its crazy to think it would make a difference but it really did! I
really don't think the weight difference was much either. Here's a shot;
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
Don Emch
NX899DE
Don,
Yes, I'm sure it did make a difference, and with those tall wheels you have,
you can probably still get the wing stalled before touchdown. Are you able to
get the tail to touch before the mains ? Do you do very many landings on
hard surface ? On hard surface landings, I have to make wheel landings, or
she'll bounce back up almost every time...even if I drag the tail down first.
On
the turf, she'll stay down.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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