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1. 04:37 AM - fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
2. 05:27 AM - builders log (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 05:47 AM - Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn (HelsperSew@aol.com)
4. 05:49 AM - Re: builders log (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 06:05 AM - Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (tbyh@aol.com)
6. 06:11 AM - Re: builders log (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 06:21 AM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (HelsperSew@aol.com)
8. 06:33 AM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (Rick Holland)
9. 06:41 AM - Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn (Bill Church)
10. 06:43 AM - Weather check and fuse (Dan Loegering)
11. 07:15 AM - shelf life (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
12. 07:36 AM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (Roman Bukolt)
13. 07:42 AM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts ()
14. 09:00 AM - Re: builders log (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
15. 10:01 AM - Re: builders log ()
16. 02:13 PM - Pietenpols (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
17. 03:06 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Ed G.)
18. 03:22 PM - Re: Builders log (Don Emch)
19. 04:13 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Ben Charvet)
20. 04:22 PM - Looking for someone (Isablcorky@aol.com)
21. 06:46 PM - Piet in Texas (Mike King)
22. 07:18 PM - great evening viewing (Oscar Zuniga)
23. 08:14 PM - builders log (Dick Navratil)
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| Subject: | fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
Great detective work guys for finding the fuel line sealer I was trying
to tell Dan H. about. The name is evidently now
EZ Turn and Aircraft Spruce and Wicks show it. Wicks will sell you a
smaller tube though which is all you should ever need
for the lifetime of a Pietenpol.
EZ TURN LUBE-1 LB CAN
EZ-TURN - A specialty lubricant/sealant for fuel & oil line valves where
high-octane fuels, chemical compounds, or other harsh elements are
present. Will not gum, dry out or crack. Also effective for its
anti-corrosion, anti-seize, & anti-wear properties. Shelf life: 18 mos.
Temp range: 600+=BAF. Meets MIL-G-6032D AM I Type I.
SKU: FL16
Our Price: $22.87
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=10408~subid
=2303/index.html
EZ TURN LUBE-5 OZ TUBE
EZ-TURN - A specialty lubricant/sealant for fuel & oil line valves where
high-octane fuels, chemical compounds, or other harsh elements are
present. Will not gum, dry out or crack. Also effective for its
anti-corrosion, anti-seize, & anti-wear properties. Shelf life: 18 mos.
Temp range: 600+=BAF. Meets MIL-G-6032D AM I Type I.
SKU: FL5
Our Price: $13.25
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_detail.php/pid=9281~subid=
2303/index.html
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Didn't even keep a spiral notebook record and my FAA MIDO inspector was
happy with what I provided him which were
folders which had invoices of everything that I purchased broken down
categories like airframe, engine, mags/carb/prop,
and fabric/paint. I glued many construction photos to four poster
boards in chronological order and he really liked that.
I think the thing that got him to sign off my airplane is that I put on
a pot of coffee in the hangar that morning and brought
1/2 dozen donuts with me.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
Mike and all,
Thanks, I'll buy a small tube and be set for life!!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: builders log |
Mike,
My "builder's log" will be the same as yours. It's been 7 years and I have
yet to write one word. It would be pretty hard to catch up now. I saved all
my invoices and have lots of pictures.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10 below this morning.
Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld of days -- a heat wave!
My dad called the other night and said that he heard that there had been a homebuilt
airplane accident in Iowa. He wondered if it was a Pietenpol. I told
him that with temps below zero and strong Northwest winds I seriously doubted
that anyone would be out and about in an open-cockpit Piet! Then again, if you
put a little cardboard over the radiator...
It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN, yesterday...I'd be embarassed
to live there, too. Only time you hear of the place is when it's that
cold
Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a canopy or enclosure
on their Air Camper...
I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol Story." I ordered
my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past Friday -- by Friday midnight
I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I easpecially enjoyed the stories
and pictures from the early days of Air Camper development. Anyway, I highly
recommend this book for all Pietenpol enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building
one or just plain love airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes
the shipping) and if you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin. (Rochester is not too
far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast the Saturday before Christmas
at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about the best breakfast in town -- lots
of good food at low cost. The atmosphere? Well, what can I say? Guys like it).
One of my cousin's pals happened to there. This fellow used to drive a bread
truck down to Cherry Grove and delivered at the general store -- which had been
previously owned by Bernard's Uncle, if I read Chet's book correctly. He told
us that one day while he was there (many, many years ago) the store owner said
his phone was out of order -- which was kind of important since many of his
farmer customers would call in their orders and he'd deliver their groceries
out to their farms. He said Bernard was coming by to fix the phone -- but the
owner wasn't sure when. He said that Bernard was not always too quick to respond.
However, all of a sudden there was Bernard comin
g through the door with his toolbox, all set to fix the phone. The store owner
made a comment to Bernard that he was surprised to see Bernard so soon. All Bernard
said was, "Kind of hard to run a business without a phone, isn't it?"
Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from Snyder's being delivered
this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model A (was on e-Bay last week
-- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours on it). Guess what I'm doing
this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the basement working on the Piet's engine!
Stay warm!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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>From my understanding the purpose of the builders log it to verify that
we are the ones who in fact built the airplane and that we didn't buy
a disassembled old homebuilt or a nearly complete one then try to pass
off as if we did all the work. Some inspectors will wink and turn
the other cheek if you try to do this and others will be more selective
to ensure that you built the majority of the plane. I think the deeper
issue is that the feds (or designee) want to know that you know the
airplane inside and out prior to issuing a Repairman Certificate that
authorizes you
to do your own yearly condition inspections and sign it off in the log
books. Last year I billed myself double for what I billed myself for
the
prior years inspection. I'm finally starting to make money off of
myself:)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
Fred,
What size prop did you order for your A?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
I also highly recommend Chet Peeks new Pietenpol Story book, no Piet builder
should be without it. Also have his Heath and Jenny books which are also
excellent. (Now I know why the Heath aircraft are so small, did you know
that Mr. Heath only weighed 130 lbs? Heck thats half the weight of some of
us Piet builders).
Rick
On 2/6/07, tbyh@aol.com <tbyh@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10 below this
> morning. Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld of days -- a
> heat wave! My dad called the other night and said that he heard that there
> had been a homebuilt airplane accident in Iowa. He wondered if it was a
> Pietenpol. I told him that with temps below zero and strong Northwest winds
> I seriously doubted that anyone would be out and about in an open-cockpit
> Piet! Then again, if you put a little cardboard over the radiator...
>
> It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN, yesterday...I'd
> be embarassed to live there, too. Only time you hear of the place is when
> it's that cold
>
> Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a canopy or
> enclosure on their Air Camper...
>
> I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol Story." I
> ordered my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past Friday -- by
> Friday midnight I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I easpecially
> enjoyed the stories and pictures from the early days of Air Camper
> development. Anyway, I highly recommend this book for all Pietenpol
> enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building one or just plain love
> airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes the shipping) and if
> you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
>
> Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin. (Rochester is
> not too far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast the Saturday before
> Christmas at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about the best breakfast in
> town -- lots of good food at low cost. The atmosphere? Well, what can I say?
> Guys like it). One of my cousin's pals happened to there. This fellow used
> to drive a bread truck down to Cherry Grove and delivered at the general
> store -- which had been previously owned by Bernard's Uncle, if I read
> Chet's book correctly. He told us that one day while he was there (many,
> many years ago) the store owner said his phone was out of order -- which was
> kind of important since many of his farmer customers would call in their
> orders and he'd deliver their groceries out to their farms. He said Bernard
> was coming by to fix the phone -- but the owner wasn't sure when. He said
> that Bernard was not always too quick to respond. How ever, all of a sudden
> there was Bernard coming through the door with his toolbox, all set to fix
> the phone. The store owner made a comment to Bernard that he was surprised
> to see Bernard so soon. All Bernard said was, "Kind of hard to run a
> business without a phone, isn't it?"
>
> Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
>
> Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from Snyder's
> being delivered this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model A (was on
> e-Bay last week -- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours on it). Guess
> what I'm doing this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the basement working on the
> Piet's engine!
>
> Stay warm!
> Fred B.
> La Crosse, WI
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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| Subject: | fuel line thread sealant EZ Turn |
Yikes, Dan,
You wrote: " I'll buy a small tube and be set for life!!! "
Did you read the description ... specifically this line? :
"Shelf life: 18 mos."
(sorry, couldn't resist)
Bill
do not archive
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| Subject: | Weather check and fuse |
Thank you all for the comments on fuse building - lots of good tips!
Now for my weather check-in from balmy Fargo ND. Yesterday morning hauling the
trash to the curb for pickup I thought to myself that the cold streak had finally
broken - here I was with no hat or gloves and was feeling pretty good about
the heat wave that we were experiencing. Jumped into the car to head to work
and was greeted with the weather on the radio - it had "warmed up" to -16 and
we were expecting a high of -7! Heat wave! The low had been -26... Today
we are expected to warm up a bit to -3 for a high and tomorrow we might be on
the positive side of 0 for the first day since last Thursday.
Definitely makes it a challenge to warm up the shop for building nights! So cold
out your nose hairs freeze when you breathe (an interesting feeling that I
would suggest everyone should try at least once), and when you let the dog outside
to answer nature - they have about a 30 second TBF (time before freeze-up).
Got to love the North!
On the piet front - we now have three active builders locally and one more ready
to start on his rib set. So far three complete rib sets, two complete tail
sets, two complete fuse side sets, two engines purchased, and ready to start joining
fuselage sides. One more guy that just needs a little shove to jump on
board and start the fifth project! Just wait a few years and we will have a
mass fly down to Brodhead from the North.
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
PS - any of you out there know of someone looking for a Cessna 177B Cardinal -
I have one for sale...
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Great catch, Bill. I was amused by the description of the thread
sealer saying that it won't get hard or deteriorate and such
and then they add the shelf life of 18 months notation ! I can tell
you from experience that the shelf life (like on some food products)
of that stuff is years and years. This probably doesn't apply much to
our 2% milk though in the fridge right now.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
You didn't finish your plug of Peek's book.
Where does one send the $29.95?
----- Original Message -----
From: tbyh@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts
Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10 below
this morning. Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld of days
-- a heat wave! My dad called the other night and said that he heard
that there had been a homebuilt airplane accident in Iowa. He wondered
if it was a Pietenpol. I told him that with temps below zero and strong
Northwest winds I seriously doubted that anyone would be out and about
in an open-cockpit Piet! Then again, if you put a little cardboard over
the radiator...
It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN,
yesterday...I'd be embarassed to live there, too. Only time you hear of
the place is when it's that cold
Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a canopy
or enclosure on their Air Camper...
I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol
Story." I ordered my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past
Friday -- by Friday midnight I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I
easpecially enjoyed the stories and pictures from the early days of Air
Camper development. Anyway, I highly recommend this book for all
Pietenpol enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building one or just
plain love airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes the
shipping) and if you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin. (Rochester
is not too far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast the Saturday
before Christmas at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about the best
breakfast in town -- lots of good food at low cost. The atmosphere?
Well, what can I say? Guys like it). One of my cousin's pals happened to
there. This fellow used to drive a bread truck down to Cherry Grove and
delivered at the general store -- which had been previously owned by
Bernard's Uncle, if I read Chet's book correctly. He told us that one
day while he was there (many, many years ago) the store owner said his
phone was out of order -- which was kind of important since many of his
farmer customers would call in their orders and he'd deliver their
groceries out to their farms. He said Bernard was coming by to fix the
phone -- but the owner wasn't sure when. He said that Bernard was not
always too quick to respond. How ever, all of a sudden there was Bernard
coming through the door with his toolbox, all set to fix the phone. The
store owner made a comment to Bernard that he was surprised to see
Bernard so soon. All Bernard said was, "Kind of hard to run a business
without a phone, isn't it?"
Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from Snyder's
being delivered this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model A (was
on e-Bay last week -- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours on it).
Guess what I'm doing this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the basement
working on the Piet's engine!
Stay warm!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
I was 132lbs when I got married and stayed that way till I was in my mid
40's now 200lbs and working on loosing it .I would be extatic if I could
reach 150lbs again.I think I could get the Piet up to 90mph.
do not archive
>From: "Rick Holland" <at7000ft@gmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 07:29:57 -0700
>
>I also highly recommend Chet Peeks new Pietenpol Story book, no Piet
>builder
>should be without it. Also have his Heath and Jenny books which are also
>excellent. (Now I know why the Heath aircraft are so small, did you know
>that Mr. Heath only weighed 130 lbs? Heck thats half the weight of some of
>us Piet builders).
>
>Rick
>
>On 2/6/07, tbyh@aol.com <tbyh@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10 below this
>>morning. Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld of days -- a
>>heat wave! My dad called the other night and said that he heard that there
>>had been a homebuilt airplane accident in Iowa. He wondered if it was a
>>Pietenpol. I told him that with temps below zero and strong Northwest
>>winds
>>I seriously doubted that anyone would be out and about in an open-cockpit
>>Piet! Then again, if you put a little cardboard over the radiator...
>>
>>It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN, yesterday...I'd
>>be embarassed to live there, too. Only time you hear of the place is when
>>it's that cold
>>
>>Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a canopy or
>>enclosure on their Air Camper...
>>
>>I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol Story." I
>>ordered my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past Friday -- by
>>Friday midnight I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I easpecially
>>enjoyed the stories and pictures from the early days of Air Camper
>>development. Anyway, I highly recommend this book for all Pietenpol
>>enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building one or just plain love
>>airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes the shipping) and
>>if
>>you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
>>
>>Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin. (Rochester is
>>not too far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast the Saturday
>>before
>>Christmas at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about the best breakfast in
>>town -- lots of good food at low cost. The atmosphere? Well, what can I
>>say?
>>Guys like it). One of my cousin's pals happened to there. This fellow used
>>to drive a bread truck down to Cherry Grove and delivered at the general
>>store -- which had been previously owned by Bernard's Uncle, if I read
>>Chet's book correctly. He told us that one day while he was there (many,
>>many years ago) the store owner said his phone was out of order -- which
>>was
>>kind of important since many of his farmer customers would call in their
>>orders and he'd deliver their groceries out to their farms. He said
>>Bernard
>>was coming by to fix the phone -- but the owner wasn't sure when. He said
>>that Bernard was not always too quick to respond. How ever, all of a
>>sudden
>>there was Bernard coming through the door with his toolbox, all set to fix
>>the phone. The store owner made a comment to Bernard that he was surprised
>>to see Bernard so soon. All Bernard said was, "Kind of hard to run a
>>business without a phone, isn't it?"
>>
>>Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
>>
>>Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from Snyder's
>>being delivered this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model A (was on
>>e-Bay last week -- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours on it). Guess
>>what I'm doing this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the basement working on the
>>Piet's engine!
>>
>>Stay warm!
>>Fred B.
>>La Crosse, WI
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>*
>>
>>
>>*
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>Rick Holland
>
>"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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A DAR here in FL that specilizes in writing off Lancairs has a chk list of
stuff he likes to have done before he shows for inspection. One item re
builders log is simply ck marks in the building manual as each step is
completed, instead of a written log. This is not too applicable to the
Piete but may be useful. Some pictures, recpts, etc, also required but the
only thing he seems to concern about is YOU have signed off on the fact you
built 51% of the plane, can prove it with recpts and if it looks "somewhat"
airworthy. Lots of Lancairs are being built by some APs, with owner only
showing up for some of the construction. This FL DAR says he really don't
care if the owner builds it or not, who ever is the builder has to sign the
FAA form as builder. As far as he's concerned owner and builder can be two
different people.
Gordon
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From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov
Subject: Pietenpol-List: builders log
Didn't even keep a spiral notebook record and my FAA MIDO inspector was
happy with what I provided him which were
folders which had invoices of everything that I purchased broken down
categories like airframe, engine, mags/carb/prop,
and fabric/paint. I glued many construction photos to four poster
boards in chronological order and he really liked that.
I think the thing that got him to sign off my airplane is that I put on
a pot of coffee in the hangar that morning and brought
1/2 dozen donuts with me.
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Sometimes I wonder if the inspectors go too far in their rules.I'm probably
opening a can of worms here but I remember when I wanted to be a ham radio
operator.They wanted us to be able to build our own radio's and be able to
tear them apart and put them back together again.I never figured that it was
necessary to have to go through all that in order to be an operator so I
went to the CB radio band instead and had just as much fun. I never did
build a radio.I have yet to build an aircraft from the ground up.I realize
there is a certain amount of satisfaction in having built your own aircraft
and flying it but I doubt if it makes one a better pilot.Seeing another mans
work being better than mine and knowing that the plane was put together
better than I could have done is good enough for me.There are builders,there
are builder flyers and there are just flyers.I doubt if most of those guys
flying around in Cessna's could even begin to tear it apart and put it back
together again.I don't believe that a home built has to be the product of
the pilot.That's my take on it anyway.
>From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: builders log
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:00:23 -0500
>
><gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
>A DAR here in FL that specilizes in writing off Lancairs has a chk list of
>stuff he likes to have done before he shows for inspection. One item re
>builders log is simply ck marks in the building manual as each step is
>completed, instead of a written log. This is not too applicable to the
>Piete but may be useful. Some pictures, recpts, etc, also required but the
>only thing he seems to concern about is YOU have signed off on the fact you
>built 51% of the plane, can prove it with recpts and if it looks "somewhat"
>airworthy. Lots of Lancairs are being built by some APs, with owner only
>showing up for some of the construction. This FL DAR says he really don't
>care if the owner builds it or not, who ever is the builder has to sign the
>FAA form as builder. As far as he's concerned owner and builder can be two
>different people.
>Gordon
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov
>Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:26:13 -0600
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: builders log
>
>
>Didn't even keep a spiral notebook record and my FAA MIDO inspector was
>happy with what I provided him which were
>folders which had invoices of everything that I purchased broken down
>categories like airframe, engine, mags/carb/prop,
>and fabric/paint. I glued many construction photos to four poster
>boards in chronological order and he really liked that.
>I think the thing that got him to sign off my airplane is that I put on
>a pot of coffee in the hangar that morning and brought
>1/2 dozen donuts with me.
>
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A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the
owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there
wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he
wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet book
on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings
on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire
ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The
result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in the 4" opening in the cub tire you
could not remove the inner mold, so on each tire made, a disposable
inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be
removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to
be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was
relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was
interesting. Ed G. in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down
there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S.
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Yes...The Kansas twister misssed me. It was quite a ways to the north
east of me. It did kill 20 people last I heard and did millions of $
damage. It just leveled everything in it's path for miles. I think I'll
stick with my hurricanes at least I know they're coming. You kansas guys
can have those twisty things!!!...I drove up to Palatka Fl. last Sunday
to pick up some Sitka spruce from Gordon Bowen for my wing leading edges
and airleron spars. He was kind enough to give me plenty of extra spruce
to share so if there are any builders in the area that need some spruce
let me know. It's rough sawn but I had a few pieces planed today and
it's really nice stuff. I got to see his plane which is very interesting
and looks great. It's a steel Piet fuselage with aeronca wings, a
custom steel tube tail and a 0-235. he says it flys great and climbs
like crazy. It's a really nice plane and Gordon's a heck of a nice guy.
He has a basket case C-85 he would like to sell with freshly yellow
tagged cases, short one cylinder which looks pretty good to me if anyone
is interested...Ed G. in 68 degree Fl. buiding wings Do not
archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Leon Stefan<mailto:lshutks@webtv.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 5:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
lshutks@webtv.net<mailto:lshutks@webtv.net> (Leon Stefan)
A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the
owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there
wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he
wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet book
on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress
fittings
on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire
ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The
result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in the 4" opening in the cub tire
you
could not remove the inner mold, so on each tire made, a disposable
inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be
removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold
to
be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was
relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was
interesting. Ed G. in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down
there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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My inspector, which I think was the same as Mike Cuy's (seriously), said "oh, you
passed, I can go ahead and leave!", as soon as he walked in the hangar and
saw the card table set up with coffee and donuts! Thanks Mike, I think you may
have even dropped that advice to me. Anyway, my builder's log consisted of
a picture album and a bundle of receipts. Both of which he looked through. They
did spawn a lot of questions which made for some nice small talk about airplanes.
I don't think he was looking for any kind certain log, just something
to back up the fact that I built it. Just last night I sat down with my kids
and looked through the picture album. They think it's pretty cool. The pictures
go back long before they were around!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93320#93320
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I think I e-mailed with Gordon a little bit when I first started my
project. Does he still have a bunch of spruce in his hangar? I may
need a little for leading edges and aileron spars, etc. Ed, where are
you located? I'm in Mims, which is just north of Titusville. Did
Gordon say what he wanted for the basket case C-85?
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Ed G. wrote:
> Yes...The Kansas twister misssed me. It was quite a ways to the north
> east of me. It did kill 20 people last I heard and did millions of $
> damage. It just leveled everything in it's path for miles. I think
> I'll stick with my hurricanes at least I know they're coming. You
> kansas guys can have those twisty things!!!...I drove up to Palatka
> Fl. last Sunday to pick up some Sitka spruce from Gordon Bowen for my
> wing leading edges and airleron spars. He was kind enough to give me
> plenty of extra spruce to share so if there are any builders in the
> area that need some spruce let me know. It's rough sawn but I had a
> few pieces planed today and it's really nice stuff. I got to see his
> plane which is very interesting and looks great. It's a steel Piet
> fuselage with aeronca wings, a custom steel tube tail and a 0-235. he
> says it flys great and climbs like crazy. It's a really nice plane and
> Gordon's a heck of a nice guy. He has a basket case C-85 he would like
> to sell with freshly yellow tagged cases, short one cylinder which
> looks pretty good to me if anyone is interested...Ed G. in 68 degree
> Fl. buiding wings Do not archive
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Pieters,
In the course of buying Blue BoyII someone inquired for more info on the
plane having flown a plane of this identity yrs ago in Texas I believe. Those
messages were deleted. If you identify yourself with this message please
contact me.
Corky
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BlankLast Sunday I went scouting around local (Krum, Texas) airports
with grass
strips and found a private airport with some interesting airplanes.
As I walked along the grass strip lined with houses with attached
hangars
and/or work shops, I heard a voice coming from a shop window asking
if I needed some help. I introduced myself to Bobby and Bob, local
residents with experimental aircraft based there. Bobby invited me
into his shop where he was rebuilding a......are you ready?......a PIET.
He said he flew PIETs in the past and bought this damaged blue PIET
off EBay last summer from someone in Missouri. He is about 95% finished
with it and may sell it sometime down the road. He is an accomplished
builder and is really doing a great job getting the plane back in the
air.
I told him about this discussion group and the great talent online.
Hopefully he will become an active member and pass along some
of his building expertise.
Mike King
GN-1
77MK
Ponder (north of Dallas) Texas
70 degrees today with sunshine
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| Subject: | great evening viewing |
I've been preparing for my presentation to the EAA Chapter 35 this Saturday
evening, titled "All About Pietenpols". Imagine, I'm an expert now!
Anybody with a computer and a big mouth can get up in front of a group and
talk about things as if they knew what they were talking about.
Anyway, I've been harvesting slides for my powerpoint from Chris Tracy's
site,
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ . Excellent, excellent resource and the
thumbnails make it easy to find what you're looking for. But when you have
time and want to spend an hour or two learning about details in depth, look
at (for example) the pictures there on Jim Markle's project. You talk about
a treasure-chest of information. The details! Another good one is DJ
Vegh's, if you decide to go over to the Dark Side (the Grega GN-1). So much
to see and learn from these photos.
If I ever end up laid up in bed for a few weeks or something, just give me a
laptop and internet connection and I'll spend my days learning, examining
these photos, learning from others.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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I don't know about others, but the DAR signed me off without much
looking at the builders log. However, when I went in for my Aircraft
Repairmans certificate, the inspector went thru it page by page asking
me how I built things and materials used and assorted questions. He
flat out told me he had to make sure I was the one who built it.
Dick N.
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