Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/07/07


Total Messages Posted: 20



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     1. 04:23 AM - Krum Texas Water Tower (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     2. 04:37 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
     3. 05:16 AM - Re: Pietenpols (Jeff Boatright)
     4. 05:29 AM - good inspectors (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     5. 05:41 AM - Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  (TBYH@aol.com)
     6. 05:45 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
     7. 06:07 AM - avoiding liability (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     8. 07:05 AM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Mike King)
     9. 08:10 AM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower ()
    10. 09:34 AM - Krum Texas Water Tower (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    11. 01:28 PM - Texas exes (Oscar Zuniga)
    12. 02:17 PM - Re: Pietenpols (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
    13. 02:52 PM - Re: Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    14. 03:06 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    15. 03:28 PM - Re: Pietenpols (walt evans)
    16. 07:42 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Mike King)
    17. 08:30 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Andimaxd@aol.com)
    18. 10:38 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (KMHeide)
    19. 11:13 PM - Re: great evening viewing (Catdesigns)
    20. 11:22 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:23:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Krum Texas Water Tower
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Mike King & group, Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night from San Antonio. There was a young lady from Krum on and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over. Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too. You'll have a wingman. Mike C.


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    Time: 04:37:49 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Pietenpols
    So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it signed off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the final inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even need that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's to look at it anyway(no signing on their part). >From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600 > > >A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the >owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there >wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he >wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet book >on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings >on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire >ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The >result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in the 4" opening in the cub tire you >could not remove the inner mold, so on each tire made, a disposable >inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be >removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to >be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was >relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was >interesting. Ed G. in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down >there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S. > >


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    Time: 05:16:23 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Pietenpols
    The FAR states that the majority of the airplane has to be built by amateurs for educational and recreational purposes. There are many, many homebuilts out there that were built by several people over the years, with the project passing through several hands before completion. However, only ONE person will be assigned the repairman's certificate for it at time of certification. There may be FSDOs that interpret the rule differently, but the FAR itself is pretty straightforward. I do not know what the rules are in Canada. Joe Norris at EAA (jnorris@eaa.org) is an excellent source of information for these issues. He is prompt and thorough in his replies. HTH, Jeff At 12:37 PM +0000 2/7/07, <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca> wrote: > >So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% >finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it >signed off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the >final inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even >need that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's >to look at it anyway(no signing on their part). > >>From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols >>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600 >> >> >>A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the >>owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there >>wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he >>wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet book >>on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings >>on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire >>ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The >>result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in the 4" opening in the cub tire you >>could not remove the inner mold, so on each tire made, a disposable >>inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be >>removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to >>be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was >>relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was >>interesting. Ed G. in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down >>there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S. >> >> > > -- _____________________________________________________________ Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis mailto:jboatri@emory.edu


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    Time: 05:29:10 AM PST US
    Subject: good inspectors
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    YES Don, Matt T. was my inspector too and he's a push over given a free meal. Seriously, he's a good guy plus he is an A&P, private, and owns a Champ so he at least knows what he's looking at. He made some good suggestions up in my center section pullies where the brackets holding my pullies would not have necessarily retained my 3/32" aileron cables and they could have become jammed. I installed small L-shaped brackets on each pulley to keep the cable from jumping out of the groove ever. Matt gives a good presentation on how to certify a home built too for EAA Chapters and such in the northern 1/3 of Ohio. We had him at our EAA meeting back in the fall. Mike C.


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    Time: 05:41:45 AM PST US
    From: TBYH@aol.com
    Subject: Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address
    The Sterba prop I purchased on e-Bay is 76 by 46 -- UPS says it is to be delivered today as are the engine parts from Snyders! I even took a day off work -- it feels like Christmas, Hannukah abd Quanza and others all rolled into one! I believe the Pietenpol prop drawing calls for 76 by 44 -- so maybe this one will give a bit more cruise and a little less climb -- depending on how many Wheaties I feed my Model A... As for Chet Peek's address, here it is: 1861 Danfield Drive, Norman, OK 73072-3000. Best regards to all! Stay warm! Fred B. La Crosse, WI


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    Time: 05:45:15 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Pietenpols
    The last guy to touch it or finish it of has to take responsibility for the whole aircraft.In other words if I should sell the aircraft now I am on the hook for anything that happens to it even though there were two other builders before me.This is why guys are tearing things apart and piecing them out so they don't get nailed for an accident even though it could have been the other guys fault in the first place.Everybody is paranoid up here now because of what they have seen going on south of the border.However since the aircraft is registered as an ultralight this may not apply to me.I will have to research this aspect of it.Just taking the engine off and selling it separeately is enough to get one off the hook from what I have heard.Even if you sell the engine to the same guy that bought the plane.One can always say I did not sell a complete aircraft.When I took over my aircraft it was all in pieces.All I had to do was put them together(wings,tail section,etc.),large pieces.Then I had to put in stuff like seat belts,electric start etc.So the guy who sold it to me is off the hook for anything that may go wrong from here on in. >From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu> >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:38 -0500 > > >The FAR states that the majority of the airplane has to be built by >amateurs for educational and recreational purposes. There are many, many >homebuilts out there that were built by several people over the years, with >the project passing through several hands before completion. However, only >ONE person will be assigned the repairman's certificate for it at time of >certification. There may be FSDOs that interpret the rule differently, but >the FAR itself is pretty straightforward. > >I do not know what the rules are in Canada. > >Joe Norris at EAA (jnorris@eaa.org) is an excellent source of information >for these issues. He is prompt and thorough in his replies. > >HTH, > >Jeff > >At 12:37 PM +0000 2/7/07, <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca> wrote: >> >>So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% >>finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it >>signed off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the final >>inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even need >>that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's to look at >>it anyway(no signing on their part). >> >>>From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols >>>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600 >>> >>> >>>A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the >>>owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there >>>wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he >>>wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet book >>>on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings >>>on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire >>>ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The >>>result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in the 4" opening in the cub tire you >>>could not remove the inner mold, so on each tire made, a disposable >>>inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be >>>removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to >>>be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was >>>relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was >>>interesting. Ed G. in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down >>>there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S. >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >-- > >_____________________________________________________________ >Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD >Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA >Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis >mailto:jboatri@emory.edu > >


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    Time: 06:07:39 AM PST US
    Subject: avoiding liability
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    I personally know of a Sky Scout that was started by a friend here in Ohio and nearly ready to fly when the builder got out of aviation completely and de-registered the aircraft saying that it was destroyed. The plane was then sold as and changed hands until it was put together and flown for the first time. The original builder wanted to wash his hands of any future liability. EAA has a form you can have a buyer sign that is intended to help deflect liability if you are the builder but I have hear that if the attorneys want to suck you for blood they can find a way to do it should something bad happen to someone flying a plane you sold them and built. Mike C.


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    Time: 07:05:06 AM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    BlankMike, You are right about the Krum water tower. I live five miles south of Krum in a smaller town named PONDER. And about three miles south of me is the community of DISH. Yes, this is the little town that changed its name from Clark to DISH......after the DISH satellite company that offered a prize to any town in the country that would change its name to be its namesake. A few miles south of that is Justin.....the town that makes Justin cowboy boots. Lots of interesting town names and characters who live in those communities. Come see us. Mike King 77MK GN-1 Ponder, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:21 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower Mike King & group, Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night from San Antonio. There was a young lady from Krum on and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over. Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too. You'll have a wingman. Mike C.


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    Time: 08:10:06 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    Wasn't Krum the God that Arnold Swarzinager called to in his movie Conan or was it Krom? Nothing what-so-ever to do with Pietenpols but I couldn't help but ask.Please forgive me. do not archive >From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:04:13 -0600 > >BlankMike, > >You are right about the Krum water tower. I live five miles south of >Krum in a smaller town named PONDER. And about three miles >south of me is the community of DISH. Yes, this is the little town >that changed its name from Clark to DISH......after the DISH >satellite company that offered a prize to any town in the country >that would change its name to be its namesake. > >A few miles south of that is Justin.....the town that makes Justin >cowboy boots. > >Lots of interesting town names and characters who live in those >communities. Come see us. > > >Mike King >77MK >GN-1 >Ponder, Texas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:21 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower > > > Mike King & group, > > Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night >from San Antonio. There was a young lady from Krum on > and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed >farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over. > Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too. >You'll have a wingman. > > Mike C. ><< BlankBkgrd.gif >>


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    Time: 09:34:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Krum Texas Water Tower
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    I think if you follow that logic Mike about how some of the towns are named around you I think my Dad would have chosen to name our town Loafers after his two sons when we were growing up:) I always liked George Strait's song called All My Exes, but haven't yet understood the connection there since just about every lady I've seen from Texas has been quite attractive....but then again I've never been there in person. Ya'll can correct me accordingly. The young gal from Krum looks like she'll fit right in Hollywood with no troubles. Mike C. do not archive


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    Time: 01:28:41 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Texas exes
    See, Mike, it's like this. When you have a couple of ex-wives out there that are after everything you own (they say it's only 50% of what you own, but it's always the good 50% that they want), you wouldn't want to be caught back in the state where you're "wanted" for... whatever. Not that your exes aren't sweet, pretty, nice, or anything else- but the law don't make no exceptions for pretty ;o) Texas gals can swing a pretty mean rolling pin. definitely, do not archive... I'm still living with the same Texas gal after 38 years and she just keeps getting better and better... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701


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    Time: 02:17:19 PM PST US
    From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
    Subject: Pietenpols
    harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule. He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said, many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings. Leon S.


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    Time: 02:52:21 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address
    In a message dated 2/7/2007 7:44:24 AM Central Standard Time, TBYH@aol.com writes: I believe the Pietenpol prop drawing calls for 76 by 44 -- so maybe this one will give a bit more cruise and a little less climb -- depending on how many Wheaties I feed my Model A... Fred, The Orin Hoopman drawing, dated 3-3-33, for the Model A prop, is 76 X 48. That's what I built. It was too much prop for the stock Model A engine, except with the Aluminum 6:1 head, so it would never unload in cruise, and I could never get into the horsepower / torque range for take off. I think you did good, going with a 76 X 44. If anything, a 76 X 42 would be better, which I think is what Ken Perkins suggests. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:06:38 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    Isn't there a town out in west Texas, called 'West Texas' ? I always thought that would be a humorous conversation - "I live in West Texas". "Well, what part of West Texas?" "West Texas". "Ya mean West Texas, Texas?" "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas". I've flown my Piet about half way down through Texas, and once flew a Bonanza down to Brownsville, then to El Paso. I gotta tell ya...Texas is HUGE !! It's a great place to be. When I retire, I think I'll move to Texas...maybe even West Texas. Chuck G. NX770CG do not archive


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    Time: 03:28:43 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpols
    Leon, But there's a difference between Experimental and Certified projects. You can rebuild a Cub, or another , if you find an AI who will sign you off along the way for a final FAA inspection on the Certified. Apples and oranges walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols > > harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had > unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't > loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain > in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of > reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me > on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule. > He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said, > many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant > remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings. > Leon S. > > >


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    Time: 07:42:14 PM PST US
    From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    Chuck, There is a town not far from here named "West" It is just north of Waco, Texas....about 85 miles south of Dallas on Interstate 35. It is considered Central Texas. So technically it is NOT part of the West Texas region which generally lies several miles west of Fort Worth heading toward Abilene, Midland/Odessa, Pecos and finally El Paso. BTW, West is primarily a Czech farming community and the home of the "West Fest" featuring Czech music, brats, beer, dancing and bunch of fun. Here is the town's official web site: http://www.west-tx.com/ You are right......Texas is a wide open area. There was a time when the Texas Highway Department's Aviation Division sponsored a week long event whereby airplanes would start off from one region of the state and within a week make a complete circle of Texas. Aviators would land each afternoon and be received by that town's officials and enjoy food and beverage. By the end of the week they would have flown over the Gulf Coast, West Texas mountains, plains region, the piney woods of East Texas, the Mexican border and other diversified terrain. It was good to see you Chuck when you flew to Texas and stayed at Terry's place near Waco. Hope to see you again soon. Mike King GN-1 77MK Ponder, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower Isn't there a town out in west Texas, called 'West Texas' ? I always thought that would be a humorous conversation - "I live in West Texas". "Well, what part of West Texas?" "West Texas". "Ya mean West Texas, Texas?" "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas". I've flown my Piet about half way down through Texas, and once flew a Bonanza down to Brownsville, then to El Paso. I gotta tell ya...Texas is HUGE !! It's a great place to be. When I retire, I think I'll move to Texas...maybe even West Texas. Chuck G. NX770CG do not archive


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    Time: 08:30:03 PM PST US
    From: Andimaxd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    In a message dated 2/7/2007 5:08:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, Rcaprd@aol.com writes: I always thought that would be a humorous conversation - "I live in West Texas". "Well, what part of West Texas?" "West Texas". "Ya mean West Texas, Texas?" "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas". Chuck, When I went to school at West Texas State in Canyon, about the time I was acquiring my Private Pilot, I knew a guy from Earth, TX. He had been in a fight or two over that one! Where are you from? "Earth", how 'bout you? Max (Mad Dawg) Davis (NX101XW reserved) Aggie by proxy; Texas A&M bought West Texas State the year I graduated.


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    Time: 10:38:23 PM PST US
    From: KMHeide <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Krum Texas Water Tower
    Oh yea......Well I am from Fargo North Dakota where the movie failed and the money's lost! Curent temp on my new digital thermometer.....-22 below with no wind chill. As dad would say.....put that in your pipe and smoke it! Ken H. Yankee Fargo, ND Andimaxd@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/7/2007 5:08:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, Rcaprd@aol.com writes: I always thought that would be a humorous conversation - "I live in West Texas". "Well, what part of West Texas?" "West Texas". "Ya mean West Texas, Texas?" "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas". Chuck, When I went to school at West Texas State in Canyon, about the time I was acquiring my Private Pilot, I knew a guy from Earth, TX. He had been in a fight or two over that one! Where are you from? "Earth", how 'bout you? Max (Mad Dawg) Davis (NX101XW reserved) Aggie by proxy; Texas A&M bought West Texas State the year I graduated. --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.


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    Time: 11:13:39 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: great evening viewing
    Oscar, Thanks for the kind words. Good luck on the presentation. Why don't you send me a bunch of new pictures of 41CC for the web site. How about some detail shots. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: great evening viewing > <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > I've been preparing for my presentation to the EAA Chapter 35 this > Saturday evening, titled "All About Pietenpols". Imagine, I'm an expert > now! Anybody with a computer and a big mouth can get up in front of a > group and talk about things as if they knew what they were talking about. > > Anyway, I've been harvesting slides for my powerpoint from Chris Tracy's > site, > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ . Excellent, excellent resource and the > thumbnails make it easy to find what you're looking for. But when you > have time and want to spend an hour or two learning about details in > depth, look at (for example) the pictures there on Jim Markle's project. > You talk about a treasure-chest of information. The details! Another > good one is DJ Vegh's, if you decide to go over to the Dark Side (the > Grega GN-1). So much to see and learn from these photos. > > If I ever end up laid up in bed for a few weeks or something, just give me > a laptop and internet connection and I'll spend my days learning, > examining these photos, learning from others. > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the > Academy Awards > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 > > >


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    Time: 11:22:17 PM PST US
    From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpols
    Harvy, you must remember that our laws are different up here. Lawsuits don't work the same way as in the States. Mostly in the realm of intangibles like pain and suffering. Our courts don't take as much stock of that and also concern themselves with the defendant's reasonable ability to pay. The first thing of concern is that of fault. If some guy stupidly flies VFR into one of our rock filled clouds there's no way a Canadian court is going to fault the previous owner or builder because the plane slid down the mountain face in pieces. Clif Sometimes we watch way too much US TV! http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegServ/Affairs/cars/Part5/549.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols > > Leon, > But there's a difference between Experimental and Certified projects. > You can rebuild a Cub, or another , if you find an AI who will sign you > off along the way for a final FAA inspection on the Certified. > Apples and oranges > walt evans > NX140DL > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > Ben Franklin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net> > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:17 PM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols > > >> >> harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had >> unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't >> loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain >> in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of >> reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me >> on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule. >> He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said, >> many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant >> remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings. >> Leon S. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > 3:33 PM > >




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