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     1. 04:23 AM - Krum Texas Water Tower (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     2. 04:37 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
     3. 05:16 AM - Re: Pietenpols (Jeff Boatright)
     4. 05:29 AM - good inspectors (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     5. 05:41 AM - Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  (TBYH@aol.com)
     6. 05:45 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
     7. 06:07 AM - avoiding liability (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
     8. 07:05 AM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Mike King)
     9. 08:10 AM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower ()
    10. 09:34 AM - Krum Texas Water Tower (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    11. 01:28 PM - Texas exes (Oscar Zuniga)
    12. 02:17 PM - Re: Pietenpols (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
    13. 02:52 PM - Re: Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    14. 03:06 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    15. 03:28 PM - Re: Pietenpols (walt evans)
    16. 07:42 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Mike King)
    17. 08:30 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Andimaxd@aol.com)
    18. 10:38 PM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (KMHeide)
    19. 11:13 PM - Re: great evening viewing (Catdesigns)
    20. 11:22 PM - Re: Pietenpols (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      Mike King & group, 
      
      Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night
      from San Antonio.  There was a young lady from Krum on
      and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed
      farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over.
      Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too.
      You'll have a wingman.    
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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      So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% 
      finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it signed 
      off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the final 
      inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even need 
      that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's to look at it 
      anyway(no signing on their part).
      
      
      >From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      >Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600
      >
      >
      >A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the
      >owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there
      >wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he
      >wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet  book
      >on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings
      >on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire
      >ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The
      >result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in  the 4" opening in the cub tire you
      >could not remove the inner mold,  so on each tire made,  a disposable
      >inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be
      >removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to
      >be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was
      >relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was
      >interesting. Ed G.  in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down
      >there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S.
      >
      >
      
      
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      The FAR states that the majority of the airplane has to be built by 
      amateurs for educational and recreational purposes. There are many, 
      many homebuilts out there that were built by several people over the 
      years, with the project passing through several hands before 
      completion. However, only ONE person will be assigned the repairman's 
      certificate for it at time of certification. There may be FSDOs that 
      interpret the rule differently, but the FAR itself is pretty 
      straightforward.
      
      I do not know what the rules are in Canada.
      
      Joe Norris at EAA (jnorris@eaa.org) is an excellent source of 
      information for these issues. He is prompt and thorough in his 
      replies.
      
      HTH,
      
      Jeff
      
      At 12:37 PM +0000 2/7/07, <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca> wrote:
      >
      >So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% 
      >finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it 
      >signed off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the 
      >final inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even 
      >need that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's 
      >to look at it anyway(no signing on their part).
      >
      >>From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
      >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      >>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600
      >>
      >>
      >>A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the
      >>owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there
      >>wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he
      >>wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet  book
      >>on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings
      >>on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire
      >>ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The
      >>result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in  the 4" opening in the cub tire you
      >>could not remove the inner mold,  so on each tire made,  a disposable
      >>inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be
      >>removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to
      >>be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was
      >>relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was
      >>interesting. Ed G.  in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down
      >>there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S.
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      
      
      -- 
      
      _____________________________________________________________
      Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
      Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
      Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
      mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
      
      
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      YES Don, Matt T. was my inspector too and he's a push over given a free
      meal.   Seriously, he's a good
      guy plus he is an A&P, private, and owns a Champ so he at least knows
      what he's looking at.  He made some
      good suggestions up in my center section pullies where the brackets
      holding my pullies would not have
      necessarily retained my 3/32" aileron cables and they could have become
      jammed.  I installed small L-shaped
      brackets on each pulley to keep the cable from jumping out of the groove
      ever.  Matt gives a good presentation
      on how to certify a home built too for EAA Chapters and such in the
      northern 1/3 of Ohio.  We had him at our
      EAA meeting back in the fall. 
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  | 
      
      The Sterba prop I purchased on e-Bay is 76 by 46 -- UPS says it is to be 
      delivered today as are the engine parts from Snyders! I even took a day off work
      
      -- it feels like Christmas, Hannukah abd Quanza and others all rolled into one!
      
      
      I believe the Pietenpol prop drawing calls for 76 by 44 -- so maybe this one 
      will give a bit more cruise and a little less climb -- depending on how many 
      Wheaties I feed my Model A...
      
      As for Chet Peek's address, here it is: 1861 Danfield Drive, Norman, OK  
      73072-3000.
      
      Best regards to all! Stay warm!
      Fred B.
      La Crosse, WI
      
      
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      The last guy to touch it or finish it of has to take responsibility for the 
      whole aircraft.In other words if I should sell the aircraft now I am on the 
      hook for anything that happens to it even though there were two other 
      builders before me.This is why guys are tearing things apart and piecing 
      them out so they don't get nailed for an accident even though it could have 
      been the other guys fault in the first place.Everybody is paranoid up here 
      now because of what they have seen going on south of the border.However 
      since the aircraft is registered as an ultralight this may not apply to me.I 
      will have to research this aspect of it.Just taking the engine off and 
      selling it separeately is enough to get one off the hook from what I have 
      heard.Even if you sell the engine to the same guy that bought the plane.One 
      can always say I did not sell a complete aircraft.When I took over my 
      aircraft it was all in pieces.All I had to do was put them 
      together(wings,tail section,etc.),large pieces.Then I had to put in stuff 
      like seat belts,electric start etc.So the guy who sold it to me is off the 
      hook for anything that may go wrong from here on in.
      
      
      >From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:15:38 -0500
      >
      >
      >The FAR states that the majority of the airplane has to be built by 
      >amateurs for educational and recreational purposes. There are many, many 
      >homebuilts out there that were built by several people over the years, with 
      >the project passing through several hands before completion. However, only 
      >ONE person will be assigned the repairman's certificate for it at time of 
      >certification. There may be FSDOs that interpret the rule differently, but 
      >the FAR itself is pretty straightforward.
      >
      >I do not know what the rules are in Canada.
      >
      >Joe Norris at EAA (jnorris@eaa.org) is an excellent source of information 
      >for these issues. He is prompt and thorough in his replies.
      >
      >HTH,
      >
      >Jeff
      >
      >At 12:37 PM +0000 2/7/07, <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca> wrote:
      >>
      >>So let me get this straight;if I buy a plane from a guy who is 90% 
      >>finished,then I have to tear it back down to 51% before I can get it 
      >>signed off?This sounds rather dumb to me.All my plane needed was the final 
      >>inspection and because I went ultralight with it I didn't even need 
      >>that.However as I've said in previous post I did get two AME's to look at 
      >>it anyway(no signing on their part).
      >>
      >>>From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
      >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      >>>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 16:12:52 -0600
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>A home built needs to be 51% amateur built. Not necessarily by the
      >>>owner. I passed on a Smith mini plane project recently because there
      >>>wasn't enough of a builders log to prove 51%. The local DAR told me he
      >>>wouldn't sign it off. Speekig of Chet Peek. I recently read Chet  book
      >>>on Taylorcraft. I learned Taylor pioneered the use of nicopress fittings
      >>>on cables on airplanes. Also as a cost cutting measure he got the tire
      >>>ind. to design a cheaper tire than the 800 X 4 that the cub used. The
      >>>result was the 600 X 6. Evidently in  the 4" opening in the cub tire you
      >>>could not remove the inner mold,  so on each tire made,  a disposable
      >>>inner mold made of plaster was used. It ad to be broken up to be
      >>>removed. The 600 X 6 opening was big enough to remove the inner mold to
      >>>be reused over and over. A major cost savings. The 800 X 4 tire was
      >>>relatively expensive even back in the 30's. I thought that was
      >>>interesting. Ed G.  in Florida, Did you dodge the Kansas twister down
      >>>there? Are you still with us? Do not archive. Leon S.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      >--
      >
      >_____________________________________________________________
      >Jeffrey H. Boatright, PhD
      >Associate Professor, Emory Eye Center, Atlanta, GA, USA
      >Senior Editor, Molecular Vision, http://www.molvis.org/molvis
      >mailto:jboatri@emory.edu
      >
      >
      
      
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| Subject:  | avoiding liability | 
      
      I personally know of a Sky Scout that was started by a friend here in
      Ohio and nearly  ready to fly when the builder got out of aviation
      completely and de-registered the aircraft saying that it was destroyed.
      The plane was then sold as and changed hands until it was put together
      and flown for the first time.  The original builder wanted to wash his
      hands of any future liability.   EAA has a form you can have a buyer
      sign that is intended to help deflect liability if you are the builder
      but I have hear that if the attorneys want to suck you for blood they
      can find a way to do it should something bad happen to someone flying a
      plane you sold them and built.    
      
      Mike C.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      BlankMike,
      
      You are right about the Krum water tower.  I live five miles south of 
      Krum in a smaller town named PONDER.  And about three miles
      south of me is the community of DISH.  Yes, this is the little town
      that changed its name from Clark to DISH......after the DISH 
      satellite company that offered a prize to any town in the country
      that would change its name to be its namesake.
      
      A few miles south of that is Justin.....the town that makes Justin
      cowboy boots.  
      
      Lots of interesting town names and characters who live in those 
      communities.  Come see us.
      
      
      Mike King
      77MK
      GN-1
      Ponder, Texas
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:21 AM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower
      
      
        Mike King & group, 
      
        Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night 
      from San Antonio.  There was a young lady from Krum on
        and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed 
      farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over.
        Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too.   
      You'll have a wingman.    
      
        Mike C.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      
      Wasn't Krum the God that Arnold Swarzinager called to in his movie Conan or 
      was it Krom?
      Nothing what-so-ever to do with Pietenpols but I couldn't help but 
      ask.Please forgive me.
      
      do not archive
      
      
      >From: "Mike King" <mikek120@mindspring.com>
      >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower
      >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 09:04:13 -0600
      >
      >BlankMike,
      >
      >You are right about the Krum water tower.  I live five miles south of
      >Krum in a smaller town named PONDER.  And about three miles
      >south of me is the community of DISH.  Yes, this is the little town
      >that changed its name from Clark to DISH......after the DISH
      >satellite company that offered a prize to any town in the country
      >that would change its name to be its namesake.
      >
      >A few miles south of that is Justin.....the town that makes Justin
      >cowboy boots.
      >
      >Lots of interesting town names and characters who live in those
      >communities.  Come see us.
      >
      >
      >Mike King
      >77MK
      >GN-1
      >Ponder, Texas
      >
      >
      >   ----- Original Message -----
      >   From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
      >   To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >   Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:21 AM
      >   Subject: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower
      >
      >
      >   Mike King & group,
      >
      >   Not a fan of American Idol but I watched the try-outs on tv last night 
      >from San Antonio.  There was a young lady from Krum on
      >   and she made the cut but they did an overview of life there and showed 
      >farm life there and the water tower you probably flew over.
      >   Good to hear that there are some guys rebuilding a Piet there too.   
      >You'll have a wingman.
      >
      >   Mike C.
      ><< BlankBkgrd.gif >>
      
      
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| Subject:  | Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      I think if you follow that logic Mike about how some of the towns are
      named around you I think my Dad would have
      chosen to name our town Loafers after his two sons when we were growing
      up:)   
      
      I always liked George Strait's song called All My Exes, but haven't yet
      understood the connection there since just about
      every lady I've seen from Texas has been quite attractive....but then
      again I've never been there in person.  Ya'll can correct
      me accordingly.   The young gal from Krum looks like she'll fit right in
      Hollywood with no troubles. 
      
      Mike C.
      
      do not archive
      
      
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      See, Mike, it's like this.  When you have a couple of ex-wives out there 
      that are after everything you own (they say it's only 50% of what you own, 
      but it's always the good 50% that they want), you wouldn't want to be caught 
      back in the state where you're "wanted" for... whatever.  Not that your exes 
      aren't sweet, pretty, nice, or anything else- but the law don't make no 
      exceptions for pretty ;o)  Texas gals can swing a pretty mean rolling pin.
      
      definitely, do not archive... I'm still living with the same Texas gal after 
      38 years and she just keeps getting better and better...
      
      Oscar Zuniga
      San Antonio, TX
      mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
      website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      
      _________________________________________________________________
      Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your 
      Live.com page. 
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      harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had
      unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't
      loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain
      in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of
      reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me
      on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule.
      He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said,
      many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant
      remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings.
      Leon S.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Sterba Prop & Chet Peek's address  | 
      
      In a message dated 2/7/2007 7:44:24 AM Central Standard Time, TBYH@aol.com 
      writes:
      I believe the Pietenpol prop drawing calls for 76 by 44 -- so maybe this one 
      will give a bit more cruise and a little less climb -- depending on how many 
      Wheaties I feed my Model A...
      Fred,
      The Orin Hoopman drawing, dated 3-3-33, for the Model A prop, is 76 X 48.  
      That's what I built.  It was too much prop for the stock Model A engine, except
      
      with the Aluminum 6:1 head, so it would never unload in cruise, and I could 
      never get into the horsepower / torque range for take off.  I think you did 
      good, going with a 76 X 44.   If anything, a 76 X 42 would be better, which I 
      think is what Ken Perkins suggests.
      
      Chuck G.
      NX770CG
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      Isn't there a town out in west Texas, called 'West Texas' ?  I always thought 
      that would be a humorous conversation  -    "I live in West Texas".    "Well, 
      what part of West Texas?"  "West Texas".  "Ya mean West Texas, Texas?"   
      "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas".
      I've flown my Piet about half way down through Texas, and once flew a Bonanza 
      down to Brownsville, then to El Paso.  I gotta tell ya...Texas is HUGE !!  
      It's a great place to be.  When I retire, I think I'll move to Texas...maybe 
      even West Texas.
      
      Chuck G.
      NX770CG
      do not archive
      
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      Leon,
      But there's a difference between Experimental and Certified projects.
      You can rebuild a Cub, or another , if you find an AI who will sign you off 
      along the way for a final FAA inspection  on the Certified.
      Apples and oranges
      walt evans
      NX140DL
      
      "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
      Ben Franklin
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net>
      Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:17 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      
      
      >
      > harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had
      > unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't
      > loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain
      > in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of
      > reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me
      > on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule.
      > He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said,
      > many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant
      > remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings.
      > Leon S.
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      Chuck,
      
      There is a town not far from here named "West"  It is just north of
      Waco, Texas....about 85 miles south of Dallas on Interstate 35.
      It is considered Central Texas.
      
      So technically it is NOT part of the West Texas region which generally
      lies several miles west of Fort Worth heading toward Abilene,
      Midland/Odessa, Pecos and finally El Paso.
      
      BTW, West is primarily a Czech farming community and the home
      of the "West Fest" featuring Czech music, brats, beer, dancing
      and bunch of fun.  Here is the town's official web site:
      http://www.west-tx.com/
      
      You are right......Texas is a wide open area.  There was a time
      when the Texas Highway Department's Aviation Division sponsored
      a week long event whereby airplanes would start off from one region
      of the state and within a week make a complete circle of Texas.
      Aviators would land each afternoon and be received by that town's
      officials and enjoy food and beverage.  By the end of the week they
      would have flown over the Gulf Coast, West Texas mountains, plains 
      region, the piney woods of East Texas, the Mexican border and other
      diversified terrain.
      
      It was good to see you Chuck when you flew to Texas and stayed
      at Terry's place near Waco.  Hope to see you again soon.
      
      
      Mike King
      GN-1
      77MK
      Ponder, Texas
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Rcaprd@aol.com 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:06 PM
        Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Krum Texas Water Tower
      
      
        Isn't there a town out in west Texas, called 'West Texas' ?  I always 
      thought that would be a humorous conversation  -    "I live in West 
      Texas".    "Well, what part of West Texas?"  "West Texas".  "Ya mean 
      West Texas, Texas?"   "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas".
        I've flown my Piet about half way down through Texas, and once flew a 
      Bonanza down to Brownsville, then to El Paso.  I gotta tell ya...Texas 
      is HUGE !!  It's a great place to be.  When I retire, I think I'll move 
      to Texas...maybe even West Texas.
      
        Chuck G.
        NX770CG
        do not archive
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      In a message dated 2/7/2007 5:08:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
      Rcaprd@aol.com writes:
      
      I always  thought that would be a humorous conversation  -     "I live in 
      West Texas".    "Well, what part of West  Texas?"  "West Texas".  "Ya mean West
      
      Texas, Texas?"    "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas".
      
      Chuck,
      
      When I went to school at West Texas State in Canyon, about the time I was  
      acquiring my Private Pilot, I knew a guy from Earth, TX.  He had been  in a 
      fight or two over that one!  Where are you from?  "Earth", how  'bout you?
      
      Max (Mad Dawg) Davis
      (NX101XW reserved)
      Aggie by proxy; Texas A&M bought West Texas State the year I  graduated.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower | 
      
      Oh yea......Well I am from Fargo North Dakota where the movie failed and the money's
      lost! 
        Curent temp on my new digital thermometer.....-22 below with no wind chill. As
      dad would say.....put that in your pipe and smoke it!
         
        Ken H.
        Yankee
        Fargo, ND
      
      Andimaxd@aol.com wrote:
            In a message dated 2/7/2007 5:08:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, Rcaprd@aol.com
      writes:
        I always thought that would be a humorous conversation  -    "I live in West
      Texas".    "Well, what part of West Texas?"  "West Texas".  "Ya mean West Texas,
      Texas?"   "Yep, West Texas, out in Western Texas".   
        Chuck,
         
        When I went to school at West Texas State in Canyon, about the time I was acquiring
      my Private Pilot, I knew a guy from Earth, TX.  He had been in a fight
      or two over that one!  Where are you from?  "Earth", how 'bout you?
         
        Max (Mad Dawg) Davis
        (NX101XW reserved)
        Aggie by proxy; Texas A&M bought West Texas State the year I graduated.
      
      
      ---------------------------------
      Any questions?  Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: great evening viewing | 
      
      
      Oscar,
      
      Thanks for the kind words.  Good luck on the presentation.
      
      Why don't you send me a bunch of new pictures of 41CC for the web site.  How 
      about some detail shots.
      
      Chris Tracy
      Sacramento, Ca
      Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 7:17 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: great evening viewing
      
      
      > <taildrags@hotmail.com>
      >
      > I've been preparing for my presentation to the EAA Chapter 35 this 
      > Saturday evening, titled "All About Pietenpols".  Imagine, I'm an expert 
      > now!  Anybody with a computer and a big mouth can get up in front of a 
      > group and talk about things as if they knew what they were talking about.
      >
      > Anyway, I've been harvesting slides for my powerpoint from Chris Tracy's 
      > site,
      > http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ .  Excellent, excellent resource and the 
      > thumbnails make it easy to find what you're looking for.  But when you 
      > have time and want to spend an hour or two learning about details in 
      > depth, look at (for example) the pictures there on Jim Markle's project. 
      > You talk about a treasure-chest of information.  The details!  Another 
      > good one is DJ Vegh's, if you decide to go over to the Dark Side (the 
      > Grega GN-1).  So much to see and learn from these photos.
      >
      > If I ever end up laid up in bed for a few weeks or something, just give me 
      > a laptop and internet connection and I'll spend my days learning, 
      > examining these photos, learning from others.
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      > Oscar Zuniga
      > San Antonio, TX
      > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
      > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
      >
      > _________________________________________________________________
      > Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the 
      > Academy Awards 
      > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      Harvy, you must remember that our laws are different up here.
      Lawsuits don't work the same way as in the States. Mostly in the
      realm of intangibles like pain and suffering. Our courts don't
      take as much stock of that and also concern themselves with
      the defendant's reasonable ability to pay. The first thing of
      concern is that of fault. If some guy stupidly flies VFR into
      one of our rock filled clouds there's no way a Canadian court
      is going to fault the previous owner or builder because the
      plane slid down the mountain face in pieces.
      
      Clif
      
      Sometimes we watch way too much US TV!
      
      
      http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegServ/Affairs/cars/Part5/549.htm
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
      Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:25 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      
      
      >
      > Leon,
      > But there's a difference between Experimental and Certified projects.
      > You can rebuild a Cub, or another , if you find an AI who will sign you 
      > off along the way for a final FAA inspection  on the Certified.
      > Apples and oranges
      > walt evans
      > NX140DL
      >
      > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
      > Ben Franklin
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net>
      > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:17 PM
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
      >
      >
      >>
      >> harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had
      >> unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't
      >> loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain
      >> in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of
      >> reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me
      >> on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule.
      >> He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said,
      >> many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant
      >> remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings.
      >> Leon S.
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > -- 
      > 3:33 PM
      >
      > 
      
      
 
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