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1. 12:12 AM - Re: Krum Texas Water Tower (Clif Dawson)
2. 04:23 AM - Re: great evening viewing (Glenn Thomas)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
4. 04:38 AM - Re: Pietenpols ()
5. 05:09 AM - Re: Pietenpols (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
6. 07:05 AM - Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (gus notti)
7. 07:49 AM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (Hans Vander Voort)
8. 08:01 AM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (Ed G.)
9. 08:02 AM - Re: great evening viewing (Hans Vander Voort)
10. 08:18 AM - Re: good inspectors (Hans Vander Voort)
11. 09:07 AM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (Bill Church)
12. 02:09 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (gus notti)
13. 02:18 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
14. 02:38 PM - VW engines in Piets (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
15. 02:48 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (John Hofmann)
16. 02:53 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (Rcaprd@aol.com)
17. 02:53 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (gus notti)
18. 03:05 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com)
19. 03:52 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (gus notti)
20. 03:53 PM - V.W engine option (shad bell)
21. 04:17 PM - I found the VW Reduction info (shad bell)
22. 04:28 PM - Re: V.W engine option (gus notti)
23. 05:05 PM - Re: V.W engine option (shad bell)
24. 05:17 PM - various comments (glich7@juno.com)
25. 05:20 PM - Re: Looking for someone (pietflyr)
26. 05:21 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. (Catdesigns)
27. 05:24 PM - Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. and engine mount length (shad bell)
28. 07:03 PM - powerpoint presentation (Oscar Zuniga)
29. 07:39 PM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (Rick Holland)
30. 08:11 PM - Re: Looking for someone (Isablcorky@aol.com)
31. 08:26 PM - Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts (Roman Bukolt)
32. 09:28 PM - Engines and Mounts (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Krum Texas Water Tower |
Now that's a good one! Right up there with Drain Oregon. We have a
bar/restaurant here
called Nevermind. "Where'd you go last night?" "Nevermind!". I've had a
couple of
folks stalk off in a huff before I could explain. :-)
Clif, finally starting my center section.
When I went to school at West Texas State in Canyon, about the time I
was acquiring my Private Pilot, I knew a guy from Earth, TX. He had
been in a fight or two over that one! Where are you from? "Earth", how
'bout you?
Max (Mad Dawg) Davis
(NX101XW reserved)
Aggie by proxy; Texas A&M bought West Texas State the year I
graduated.
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| Subject: | Re: great evening viewing |
Chris,
I must have spent an hour (at least) just looking at center sections and occassionally
getting distracted and looking at other construction photos. That's a
great collection you put together. My wife was the only reason it didn't go
on longer.
Thanks for putting that together. It's a great resource for the rest of us!
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=93606#93606
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I guess what I am getting at is that the original owner shouldn't have to
unregister it or get rid of a paper trail due to a law suit.It is a shame
that we live in a day and age when there is someone out there after a fast
buck,willing to take another man to the grave without a penny just because
he wasn't smart enough to check the whole thing over to make sure nothing
could go wrong.I have heard of guys taking chain saws to projects due to the
scare of such things happening to them.Perfectly good workmanship gone
because of this system which scares the hell out of people.Wouldn't it be
nice to just walk up to an aircraft you see and like and just buy it
,inspect it and fly it after it has been deemed safe to fly or complete the
project and fly it.
do not archive
>From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:17:02 -0600
>
>
>harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had
>unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't
>loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain
>in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of
>reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me
>on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule.
>He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said,
>many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant
>remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings.
>Leon S.
>
>
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Good to know!Thanks I feel much better now.I can't help watching too much US
TV.I love all the CSI series,Miami,New York,Vegas,great stuff.
do not archive
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
>Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:20:55 -0800
>
>
>
>Harvy, you must remember that our laws are different up here.
>Lawsuits don't work the same way as in the States. Mostly in the
>realm of intangibles like pain and suffering. Our courts don't
>take as much stock of that and also concern themselves with
>the defendant's reasonable ability to pay. The first thing of
>concern is that of fault. If some guy stupidly flies VFR into
>one of our rock filled clouds there's no way a Canadian court
>is going to fault the previous owner or builder because the
>plane slid down the mountain face in pieces.
>
>Clif
>
>Sometimes we watch way too much US TV!
>
>
>http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/RegServ/Affairs/cars/Part5/549.htm
>----- Original Message ----- From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 3:25 PM
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
>
>
>>
>>Leon,
>>But there's a difference between Experimental and Certified projects.
>>You can rebuild a Cub, or another , if you find an AI who will sign you
>>off along the way for a final FAA inspection on the Certified.
>>Apples and oranges
>>walt evans
>>NX140DL
>>
>>"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
>>Ben Franklin
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Leon Stefan" <lshutks@webtv.net>
>>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:17 PM
>>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols
>>
>>
>>>
>>>harvey: the airplane was once 100% finished and flying. The owner had
>>>unregistered it and gotten rid of any paper trail to him so he wouldn't
>>>loose his business in a law suit if a new owner flew it into a mountain
>>>in IFR weather. (deep pockets ) I was looking at the possibility of
>>>reassembling it and reregistering it. My DAR said he would work with me
>>>on it until I couldn't show a log of it's construction for the 51% rule.
>>>He told me the owner didn't need to be the builder. As someone said,
>>>many projects pass threw several owners before they are licensed. I cant
>>>remember the last time I saw a new construction with Cub (etc.) wings.
>>>Leon S.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>3:33 PM
>>
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>
>
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In a message dated 2/8/2007 7:33:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
harvey.rule@sympatico.ca writes:
I guess what I am getting at is that the original owner shouldn't have to
unregister it or get rid of a paper trail due to a law suit.It is a shame
that we live in a day and age when there is someone out there after a fast
buck,willing to take another man to the grave without a penny just because
he wasn't smart enough to check the whole thing over to make sure nothing
could go wrong.I have heard of guys taking chain saws to projects due to the
scare of such things happening to them.Perfectly good workmanship gone
because of this system which scares the hell out of people.Wouldn't it be
nice to just walk up to an aircraft you see and like and just buy it
,inspect it and fly it after it has been deemed safe to fly or complete the
project and fly it.
Amen, brother!
do not archive
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| Subject: | Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Hello all,
OK I have a few questions on how the steel bellcranks are attached to the wood.
Less start with the rudder bellcrank, (I can take pictures next week if needed),
The bellcrank for the rudder is lose due to the 2 small bolts that hold it
to the wood ( the wood running from the top of the rudder to the bottom up front)
on the rudder came loose after only 25 hours of flying. I can snug the 2
bolts down and tighten them up with no problems, however I can see these working
loose again, thread lock wold most likely stop this. My question is, are these
2 little bolts the only attachments to the rudder? The rudder is built solid,
so I'm not concerned about that.
2). The bellcranks for the elevator I see they are attached with 3 bolts. 1 upfront
going through the front leading edge of the elevator, with 2 bolds bolted
through a peice of wood about 1/3 way back from the leading edge of the elevator.
My question here is does this
sound properly attached?
One more quick one, I have allways been a production flying clown, this is my
1st journey with a homebuilt, here's the scope on it. It was built in 1991 has
flown off the 25hours, it has a N #, the 25 hours was flown with a C65 for the
motor, in 1994 they replaced the c65 with a VW conversion 1835cc. Now the way
I understand it that's a major modifcation.
So what do I need to do? After I have it back in airworthy condition do I have
to have an AI inspect it? What else?
Thanks,
Gus
If this makes any since please let me know.....
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Gus,
All bolts should be AN type with self locking nuts
Nylon insert type nut for non moving parts.
Castle nuts with cotter pin where the bolt acts as a hinge pin or in high
temperature areas (under the cowling)
No regular nuts should be used.
On the VW conversion:
Since you did not indicate that it has flown with the VW, I strongly
recommend to do a Weight and Balance first !
The VW should be considerably lighter.
I personally doubt the VW is a strong enough engine for the Pietenpol, but
I leave that up to you.
Most importantly it needs to be a balanced plane.
As it is an experimental Airplane there is no need to get an AI involved.
An A&P can do the AI's job.
However when a different engine is installed you do have to go through the
fly-off period again
This applies when you swap the C 65 with a VW
it does not apply if you swap a C 65 with another C 65
Fly off period for a automotive engine powered aircraft is 40 hours with a
certified aircraft engine it is 25 hours.
Within that 40 hours no passengers are allowed and all flights can not
extend beyond a 20 mile radius of home field.
20 miles is typical, you can negotiate more with the FAA.
You will have to notify the FAA that engines have been replaced unless the
previous owner did that.
As a general statement as this is your first experimental, I recommend you
contact a local EAA tech counselor and let them have a look at it.
The EAA tech counselors are volunteers and it is free of charge (OK, maybe
some coffee and donuts)
Hans
gus notti
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Hello all,
OK I have a few questions on how the steel bellcranks are attached to the
wood.
Less start with the rudder bellcrank, (I can take pictures next week if
needed), The bellcrank for the rudder is lose due to the 2 small bolts that
hold it to the wood ( the wood running from the top of the rudder to the
bottom up front) on the rudder came loose after only 25 hours of flying. I
can snug the 2 bolts down and tighten them up with no problems, however I
can see these working loose again, thread lock wold most likely stop this.
My question is, are these 2 little bolts the only attachments to the
rudder? The rudder is built solid, so I'm not concerned about that.
2). The bellcranks for the elevator I see they are attached with 3 bolts. 1
upfront going through the front leading edge of the elevator, with 2 bolds
bolted through a peice of wood about 1/3 way back from the leading edge of
the elevator. My question here is does this
sound properly attached?
One more quick one, I have allways been a production flying clown, this is
my 1st journey with a homebuilt, here's the scope on it. It was built in
1991 has flown off the 25hours, it has a N #, the 25 hours was flown with a
C65 for the motor, in 1994 they replaced the c65 with a VW conversion
1835cc. Now the way I understand it that's a major modifcation.
So what do I need to do? After I have it back in airworthy condition do I
have to have an AI inspect it? What else?
Thanks,
Gus
If this makes any since please let me know.....
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| Subject: | Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Hi Gus...The rudder horn should have three bolts. There should be a steel
piece aproxamately 5/8" wide that is welded into the back edge of the rudder
horn and bolted into the center spar of the rudder with one bolt. I can see
that if it is not there there would be alot of twisting force on the front
two bolts and a risk of wringing the leading edge out of the rudder. That's
if I'm understanding what your trying to say of course. Ed G.
>From: gus notti <gus_notti@yahoo.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought.
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 07:04:40 -0800 (PST)
>
>Hello all,
>
> OK I have a few questions on how the steel bellcranks are attached to
>the wood.
>
> Less start with the rudder bellcrank, (I can take pictures next week if
>needed), The bellcrank for the rudder is lose due to the 2 small bolts that
>hold it to the wood ( the wood running from the top of the rudder to the
>bottom up front) on the rudder came loose after only 25 hours of flying. I
>can snug the 2 bolts down and tighten them up with no problems, however I
>can see these working loose again, thread lock wold most likely stop this.
>My question is, are these 2 little bolts the only attachments to the
>rudder? The rudder is built solid, so I'm not concerned about that.
> 2). The bellcranks for the elevator I see they are attached with 3
>bolts. 1 upfront going through the front leading edge of the elevator, with
>2 bolds bolted through a peice of wood about 1/3 way back from the leading
>edge of the elevator. My question here is does this
> sound properly attached?
>
> One more quick one, I have allways been a production flying clown, this
>is my 1st journey with a homebuilt, here's the scope on it. It was built in
>1991 has flown off the 25hours, it has a N #, the 25 hours was flown with a
>C65 for the motor, in 1994 they replaced the c65 with a VW conversion
>1835cc. Now the way I understand it that's a major modifcation.
> So what do I need to do? After I have it back in airworthy condition do
>I have to have an AI inspect it? What else?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gus
>
> If this makes any since please let me know.....
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: great evening viewing |
Oscar,
Congratulation on your first flight!
I hope you will enjoy many more.
B-T-W are you willing to share your powerpoint presentation with us ?
The local EAA chapter (774) is trying to get me to do something similar
Hans
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| Subject: | Re: good inspectors |
I used one of the first EAA, AB-DAR's
Ronald Morton from Sequin, Texas.
He flew in with his wife in their homebuild BD-4.
He spend two hours doing a thorough inspection of my Pietenpol.
His wife did all the FAA paper work.
They never looked at the receipts or the log book, just had to sign an
document that confirms the 51% rule.
Cost $ 100,-- for travel expenses.
Absolute first class.
For my repairman certificate I was also lucky, the FAA guy at the local
FSDO at Ellington was an EAA member.
No appointment, just walked in with all my documentation, half an hour
later done
So simple a cavemen can do it :-)
Hans.
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| Subject: | Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Gus,
Regarding the attachment of your control horns, it is very difficult to
determine how they are attached without seeing what they look like
(photos might help). Keeping in mind that we are talking about
EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, the builder was free to build as he/she saw fit,
and was not bound by the plans. Builders often seem to make changes on
the Pietenpol control horns, probably because they "think" they will be
difficult to make as per the plans. (The airfoil-shaped sheet metal
control horns are actually one of my favorite little details of the
Pietenpol). It does sound as though your elevator horns are not built to
plans, though, as there isn't a bolt "upfront going through the front
leading edge of the elevator" on the plans. Both the rudder and elevator
control horns are basically constructed in the same manner - one bolt
thru on each side of the horn, and another bolt thru the spar of the
empennage, which is attached to a strip welded to the horn.
I don't think even I understand what I just wrote in that last sentence,
so I've attached a small clip from the plans, showing an elevator horn
attachment (that should be worth about 1000 words). I've also attached a
photo of a control horn in position, but without fasteners (sorry, don't
know who the photo belongs to).
The bolts fastening your control horns definitely need locking nuts -
you don't want vibration to loosen that connection in flight. I would be
worried that the bolts fastening the rear tab to the spar (hidden by the
fabric) are also not using lock nuts (if the control horns were built
with the rear tabs). Maybe you need to make some inspection cuts in the
fabric to check that out. I would.
As for VW power - I haven't heard of a successful case in a Pietenpol
(but maybe there has been). Here's a link to an article that explains
the theory behind why it isn't considered a good idea:
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html#vw
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
OK thanks for the pictures I will study them a little later.
Well less get the 65HP is 65 HP talk going. OK??
Help me understand this, I have a Hapi VW conversion weighting in at 165lbs,it's
rated at 65hp at takeoff 3600 rpm with a continues 60hp rating at 3400, if the
motor is running the way it should 60 65 hp should be enough power for the
Pietenpol and 2 pilots. Right?
Of course the weight and balance needs to be correct.
I don't see the problem. Can someone help me with this??
Thanks
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
Gus,
Regarding the attachment of your control horns, it is very difficult to determine
how they are attached without seeing what they look like (photos might help).
Keeping in mind that we are talking about EXPERIMENTAL aircraft, the builder
was free to build as he/she saw fit, and was not bound by the plans. Builders
often seem to make changes on the Pietenpol control horns, probably because
they "think" they will be difficult to make as per the plans. (The airfoil-shaped
sheet metal control horns are actually one of my favorite little details
of the Pietenpol). It does sound as though your elevator horns are not built
to plans, though, as there isn't a bolt "upfront going through the front leading
edge of the elevator" on the plans. Both the rudder and elevator control horns
are basically constructed in the same manner - one bolt thru on each side
of the horn, and another bolt thru the spar of the empennage, which is attached
to a strip welded to the horn.
I don't think even I understand what I just wrote in that last sentence, so I've
attached a small clip from the plans, showing an elevator horn attachment
(that should be worth about 1000 words). I've also attached a photo of a control
horn in position, but without fasteners (sorry, don't know who the photo belongs
to).
The bolts fastening your control horns definitely need locking nuts - you don't
want vibration to loosen that connection in flight. I would be worried that
the bolts fastening the rear tab to the spar (hidden by the fabric) are also
not using lock nuts (if the control horns were built with the rear tabs). Maybe
you need to make some inspection cuts in the fabric to check that out. I would.
As for VW power - I haven't heard of a successful case in a Pietenpol (but maybe
there has been). Here's a link to an article that explains the theory behind
why it isn't considered a good idea:
http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html#vw
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
I'm no expert, but recall reading something about this before. It has to do
with the ability of the VW to turn a big prop fast enough. Basically the VW
doesn't have the power to get to 3400RPM, unless you use a fairly small prop.
This in turn doesn't give you the Thrust from the prop that is needed for the
Pietenpol. On a slicker airframe, like a KR2, you can use the smaller prop,
and turn the 3400 RPM, and it all works out nicely.
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| Subject: | VW engines in Piets |
_Three Questions asked of the BPA_
(http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html)
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
I will add to the debate.
It got 65 hp but it ain't got no torque! Not enough to haul a big, draggy
ole airplane around. Small, sleek, clean little Sonex or a little Flitzer
biplane and it is fine. For an example, the 1917 Curtiss OX-5 put out 90 hp
at 1400 RPMs. It had a huge club in front of it and loads of torque to pull
the Jenny around the patch. Do you really think you could get the weight and
balance right with a C-90 in front (engine mount would be pretty long) and
get that plane in the air in the same manner?
An A-65 makes its horsepower with 171 cubic inches and produces roughly 145
lb-ft of torque. The VW at about 133 cubic inches depending on conversion
and who you talk to, puts out between 80 and 115 lb-ft of torque (I see
between 85 and 90 mostly). The reality of airplane engines is conversion of
torque into thrust. You may insert horsepower into that equation if you wish
but it serves no practical purpose.
-john-
> OK thanks for the pictures I will study them a little later.
>
>
>
> Well less get the 65HP is 65 HP talk going. OK??
> Help me understand this, I have a Hapi VW conversion weighting in at
> 165lbs,it's rated at 65hp at takeoff 3600 rpm with a continues 60hp rating at
> 3400, if the motor is running the way it should 60 65 hp should be enough
> power for the Pietenpol and 2 pilots. Right?
>
> Of course the weight and balance needs to be correct.
>
> I don't see the problem. Can someone help me with this??
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Gus,
>>
>>
>>
>> Regarding the attachment of your control horns, it is very difficult to
>> determine how they are attached without seeing what they look like (photos
>> might help). Keeping in mind that we are talking about EXPERIMENTAL aircraft,
>> the builder was free to build as he/she saw fit, and was not bound by the
>> plans. Builders often seem to make changes on the Pietenpol control horns,
>> probably because they "think" they will be difficult to make as per the
>> plans. (The airfoil-shaped sheet metal control horns are actually one of my
>> favorite little details of the Pietenpol). It does sound as though your
>> elevator horns are not built to plans, though, as there isn't a bolt
>> "upfront going through the front leading edge of the elevator" on the plans.
>> Both the rudder and elevator control horns are basically constructed in the
>> same manner - one bolt thru on each side of the horn, and another bolt thru
>> the spar of the empennage, which is attached to a strip welded to the horn.
>>
>> I don't think even I understand what I just wrote in that last sentence, so
>> I've attached a small clip from the plans, showing an elevator horn
>> attachment (that should be worth about 1000 words). I've also attached a
>> photo of a control horn in position, but without fasteners (sorry, don't know
>> who the photo belongs to).
>>
>> The bolts fastening your control horns definitely need locking nuts - you
>> don't want vibration to loosen that connection in flight. I would be worried
>> that the bolts fastening the rear tab to the spar (hidden by the fabric) are
>> also not using lock nuts (if the control horns were built with the rear
>> tabs). Maybe you need to make some inspection cuts in the fabric to check
>> that out. I would.
>>
>> As for VW power - I haven't heard of a successful case in a Pietenpol (but
>> maybe there has been). Here's a link to an article that explains the theory
>> behind why it isn't considered a good idea:
>>
>> http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html#vw
>>
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>> Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
In a message dated 2/8/2007 4:10:59 PM Central Standard Time,
gus_notti@yahoo.com writes:
Well less get the 65HP is 65 HP talk going. OK??
Help me understand this, I have a Hapi VW conversion weighting in at
165lbs,it's rated at 65hp at takeoff 3600 rpm with a continues 60hp rating at 3400,
if
the motor is running the way it should 60 65 hp should be enough power for
the Pietenpol and 2 pilots. Right?
Of course the weight and balance needs to be correct.
I don't see the problem. Can someone help me with this??
Thanks
Like Boyce said in the last post, the VW engine just isn't right for the
Pietenpol. A draggy airframe like the Piet requires a lot of Torque from it's
engine, and a large diameter prop. The Model A engine, with it's long stroke,
makes a lot of torque at low RPM, but it's lucky to make 35 or 40 horsepower.
Bottom line is that a V W engine, with it's short stroke, will NOT work on a
Pietenpol.
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Well I don't know if I'm buying this arugment, how is this any different then a
Cessna 150 with a 0200 on it, and it's really small prop? We have all seen a
150 up close the prop is really small, compare that to a Pa22-108 the Pa22 will
blow it away..,..bottom line.
I've rebuilt 0235.c1b's several times.
Here's my thoughts, on it if the 1835 cc VW conversion is running the way is
should 3600 red line with it maintaining 3400 rmp I'm thinking it will fly better
(due to less weight) then if it had the C65 on it? Come - on Less figure it
out. I could be wrong...but....
Thanks
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote:
I'm no expert, but recall reading something about this before. It has
to do with the ability of the VW to turn a big prop fast enough. Basically the
VW doesn't have the power to get to 3400RPM, unless you use a fairly small prop.
This in turn doesn't give you the Thrust from the prop that is needed for
the Pietenpol. On a slicker airframe, like a KR2, you can use the smaller prop,
and turn the 3400 RPM, and it all works out nicely.
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
If the VW could turn the prop 3600RPM, the blades would be going too fast,
supersonic even?? Scary to say that in the same sentence as VW OR Pietenpol!
Most props are pitch for max efficiency at about 2600-2800RPM (from what I've
read). If the VW engine turned the prop at that RPM, it would make no where
near 60hp. Now, maybe you could hook it all to a PSRU, rev the engine to 3600,
slow the prop, then maybe you can get it to work. But why? By the time you
figure it all out, tune it, make a mount, figure the weight and balance...it's
no better than a common old A-65. And, you'll probably have more money in it
in the long run.
Boyce
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
OK, where does A want to be Pietenpol flyer find a C65 motor mount?
I have a C65 I'll just major her real quick. Any thoughts?
I'm still going to taxi tax the VW conversion just to see.
RAMPEYBOY@aol.com wrote:
If the VW could turn the prop 3600RPM, the blades would be going too
fast, supersonic even?? Scary to say that in the same sentence as VW OR Pietenpol!
Most props are pitch for max efficiency at about 2600-2800RPM (from what
I've read). If the VW engine turned the prop at that RPM, it would make no where
near 60hp. Now, maybe you could hook it all to a PSRU, rev the engine to 3600,
slow the prop, then maybe you can get it to work. But why? By the time you
figure it all out, tune it, make a mount, figure the weight and balance...it's
no better than a common old A-65. And, you'll probably have more money in it
in the long run.
Boyce
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| Subject: | V.W engine option |
I saw an article about a VW conversion with a reduction drive that would turn a
72'' or bigger prop. It was in an old Sport Aviation. I can't remember the
guy's name who sold it, but he was from out west in the mountians. The article
was about a guy building a something or another, and went to the guys strip
for a demo ride. Said it performed very well on the demo plane which was a one
off test bed airplane. It was a 2 place side by side open cockpit low wing
and said it would lift off in less than 300 ft with 2 abord and full fuel. If
I find the article I will pass the info along. Or just build a Wynne Corvair
for the Piet, and then build yourself a soneri for the VW, other end of the
speed spectrum.
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| Subject: | I found the VW Reduction info |
Hello, By dumb luck I found the info on the VW reduction drive. I was wrong, it
isn't a 72 inch prop, it is 96" yeah thats right a 96-60 prop on a VW. It was
mounted on a 600lb airplane with 400lbs of human cargo and got off in 250ft.
The guy is Gene Smith of Missouri. He is the guy who bought out Culver Props.
The new company is called Valley Engineering, and is in Rolla, Missouri.
I'm not sure if they have a web site or not but try to google it and see what
comes up. By the way the article is in the May 2004 Kitplanes mag.
Shad
hope this helps, maybe another good airplane- engine combo to be discovered
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| Subject: | Re: V.W engine option |
Can I just bolt on a Continental C65 motor mount? I thought I read some place
the motor sat 5degrees upward. IS this right?
shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com> wrote:
I saw an article about a VW conversion with a reduction drive that would turn
a 72'' or bigger prop. It was in an old Sport Aviation. I can't remember
the guy's name who sold it, but he was from out west in the mountians. The article
was about a guy building a something or another, and went to the guys strip
for a demo ride. Said it performed very well on the demo plane which was
a one off test bed airplane. It was a 2 place side by side open cockpit low wing
and said it would lift off in less than 300 ft with 2 abord and full fuel.
If I find the article I will pass the info along. Or just build a Wynne Corvair
for the Piet, and then build yourself a soneri for the VW, other end of
the speed spectrum.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: V.W engine option |
I am not sure about the mount. I believe most engine mounts have down thrust,
and left or right thrust depending on which way the prop spins. For a direct
drive VW, Corvair or other "backwards" mounted auto engines they rotate counter
clockwise when viewed from behind, so they would either be neutral or have left
thrust to compensate for p-factor. US made aircraft engines rotate clockwise
from behind and many times have right thrust built into the mounts. The down
thrust would be to keep the airplane from pitching up when power is applied,
or at least reduce the pitching tendency at cruise power ,which in turn reduces
drag caused by having to use down elevator to keep from climbing. And everyone
knows how streamlined the piet is....ha ha ha. Hope the info is useful,
see my previous post for the info on the VW reduction drive company. Valley Engineering
of Rolla, Missuori. Gene and Larry Smith. Father son team I believe.
Shad
gus notti <gus_notti@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can I just bolt on a Continental C65 motor mount? I thought I read some place
the motor sat 5degrees upward. IS this right?
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| Subject: | various comments |
Hey List,
Okay so here are a few comments in no particular order.
RE: Builder's Log etc: As several posts were getting at (Dick N. and
others), having the builder's log, generally speaking, proves that
the project is amateur built, and not built by a pro, especially if
some of your "amateur photography" includes pictures of the person
who did the building, instead of just parts. Having a very COMPLETE
log shows that it was YOU who did the building, especially if you're
the one in pictures, on invoice receipts, etc. The completeness and
the having you in pictures is what really helps make getting the
repairman's cert. a smooth process, while having some general proof
(basic log, pics at several stages, where things were purchased,
etc.) and your own personal statement that it's amateur-built is
usually enough to satisfy the 51% rule.
Mike C.-I'll have to remember the coffee and donuts idea come
inspection time, it's brilliant. I know I'm more reasonable when I'm
well fed, should work with others too. :)
Fred B.- "...makes me wonder if anyone has ever installed a
canopy/enclosure on their air camper..." -I can't think of anyone in
particular, but I do plan to make a detachable one for mine similar
to one I saw in an article in Sport Av on a Mignet Flying Flea. I
think it would fit well with the Piet because it was faceted
plexiglass(?) plates on a wood frame made of thin pieces and
stringers. I don't what issue it was in, but it looked perfect,
easily adaptable to the Piet, and fairly lightweight. I guess I have
a little Howard Hughes in me, detailing the design of seemingly less
important things before I have a plane to put them on (a la "picking
out the control wheel" for the HK1 Hercules).
Shad- I saw that VW testbed article. I believe they tested every
engine with the customer observing before giving it to them, shows
confidence in the product. Also, I think they either had a
prop-copier, made their own custom props for each application or
both. This supports the idea that smaller and/or custom props were
needed to get the rated performance depending on the design, and that
HP isn't the whole story. So I agree with the others that the VW
probably isn't ideal for a piet, but feel free to do what you like,
Gus.
And Finally, Max Davis- "Where are you from?" "Earth, how bout you?"
I couldn't stop laughing since I read this! hilarious! I can just
picture a real, serious Texas cowboy saying this with a straight
face, while gaging the all-too-familiar reaction. I won't be able to
ask anyone where they're from without chuckling now. Good Stuff.
Sorry this was so long, hope it was useful, stay warm.
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. |
Gus, I would suggest buying a set of plans. They will answer your
questions, help with the annual inspection, and serve as a reference if
you need to do any maintenance. I know they seem expensive but I can't
imagine owning a Pietenpol without a set of plans.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: gus notti
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought.
Hello all,
OK I have a few questions on how the steel bellcranks are attached to
the wood.
Less start with the rudder bellcrank, (I can take pictures next week
if needed), The bellcrank for the rudder is lose due to the 2 small
bolts that hold it to the wood ( the wood running from the top of the
rudder to the bottom up front) on the rudder came loose after only 25
hours of flying. I can snug the 2 bolts down and tighten them up with no
problems, however I can see these working loose again, thread lock wold
most likely stop this. My question is, are these 2 little bolts the only
attachments to the rudder? The rudder is built solid, so I'm not
concerned about that.
2). The bellcranks for the elevator I see they are attached with 3
bolts. 1 upfront going through the front leading edge of the elevator,
with 2 bolds bolted through a peice of wood about 1/3 way back from the
leading edge of the elevator. My question here is does this
sound properly attached?
One more quick one, I have allways been a production flying clown,
this is my 1st journey with a homebuilt, here's the scope on it. It was
built in 1991 has flown off the 25hours, it has a N #, the 25 hours was
flown with a C65 for the motor, in 1994 they replaced the c65 with a VW
conversion 1835cc. Now the way I understand it that's a major
modifcation.
So what do I need to do? After I have it back in airworthy condition
do I have to have an AI inspect it? What else?
Thanks,
Gus
If this makes any since please let me know.....
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| Subject: | Re: Several ?? on this Pietenpol I just bought. and engine |
mount length
As far as a C65 mount for your piet, you wil probably have to make your own or
have someone custom make it for you. There is usually enough differences from
one homebuilt, A Piet in this case, to another (measurements) that a mount off
someone elses piet probably won't fit yours. This might not be the case, maybe
you will get lucky and find one that fits your engine mount fittings on the
longerons and just bolt er on and go. Also doing some weight and ballance figures
on your plane with you or the intended pilot's weight in the rear seat and
normal fuel load will be very helpful for getting the CG correct. Make the
mount the correct length to suit YOUR Piet with you flying it. This can save
a lot of weight in ballast, especially if it ends up tail heavy. 5 lbs tail
heavy can eaisly take 40lbs of ballest at the firewall to compensate. 2 inches
of tubing is a lot lighter than ballest. I have some methoods of figuring
mount length in my Jungster 1 plans if you are
interested. Chuck Ganzer could probably chime in on this one, I believe his mount
is longer than most and probably for CG reasons.
Shad
gus notti <gus_notti@yahoo.com> wrote:
OK, where does A want to be Pietenpol flyer find a C65 motor mount?
I have a C65 I'll just major her real quick. Any thoughts?
I'm still going to taxi tax the VW conversion just to see.
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| Subject: | powerpoint presentation |
Hans (and others)- I'd be glad to pass along my PowerPoint presentation, but
it isn't really much and hardly worth passing along. I don't like notes and
text up on the screen... only photos. I want the audience focused on the
speaker and listening to what is said, not to mention that most speakers
just repeat what's written up on the screen anyway, so why do it?
All I'm doing is putting up photos of the important points of the Piet and
talking around them with the laser pointer. In doing so, I show examples of
the various engine options, simplicity of construction, simplicity of the
panel, and -most importantly- the fun of flying one. I harvested heavily
from Chris Tracy's site. Images of people having fun in Steve Eldridge's
airplane, Mike Cuy's airplane, Don Emch's airplane, and others. I will also
take along my set of Pietenpol plans, the construction manual, the 1932
Flying & Glider manual, and a few other "hands-on" things to get people to
come up and see things for themselves after the presentation.
The Chapter has requested that I tell about the repairs and return to
service of 41CC, so about half of my slides are damage and repair and
wouldn't be of much use to others.
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
Here you go Roman:
*Yes I have the Pietenpol Story for sale @ $24.95 plus $4 for priority mail
shipping. Just send a check to:
Chet Peek
1861 Danfield
Norman, OK 73072
His Email is
RBaron18(at)aol.com*
On 2/6/07, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
>
> You didn't finish your plug of Peek's book.
> Where does one send the $29.95?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* tbyh@aol.com
> *To:* pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AM
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts
>
> Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10 below this
> morning. Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld of days -- a
> heat wave! My dad called the other night and said that he heard that there
> had been a homebuilt airplane accident in Iowa. He wondered if it was a
> Pietenpol. I told him that with temps below zero and strong Northwest winds
> I seriously doubted that anyone would be out and about in an open-cockpit
> Piet! Then again, if you put a little cardboard over the radiator...
>
> It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN, yesterday...I'd
> be embarassed to live there, too. Only time you hear of the place is when
> it's that cold
>
> Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a canopy or
> enclosure on their Air Camper...
>
> I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol Story." I
> ordered my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past Friday -- by
> Friday midnight I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I easpecially
> enjoyed the stories and pictures from the early days of Air Camper
> development. Anyway, I highly recommend this book for all Pietenpol
> enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building one or just plain love
> airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes the shipping) and if
> you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
>
> Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin. (Rochester is
> not too far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast the Saturday before
> Christmas at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about the best breakfast in
> town -- lots of good food at low cost. The atmosphere? Well, what can I say?
> Guys like it). One of my cousin's pals happened to there. This fellow used
> to drive a bread truck down to Cherry Grove and delivered at the general
> store -- which had been previously owned by Bernard's Uncle, if I read
> Chet's book correctly. He told us that one day while he was there (many,
> many years ago) the store owner said his phone was out of order -- which was
> kind of important since many of his farmer customers would call in their
> orders and he'd deliver their groceries out to their farms. He said Bernard
> was coming by to fix the phone -- but the owner wasn't sure when. He said
> that Bernard was not always too quick to respond. How ever, all of a sudden
> there was Bernard coming through the door with his toolbox, all set to fix
> the phone. The store owner made a comment to Bernard that he was surprised
> to see Bernard so soon. All Bernard said was, "Kind of hard to run a
> business without a phone, isn't it?"
>
> Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
>
> Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from Snyder's
> being delivered this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model A (was on
> e-Bay last week -- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours on it). Guess
> what I'm doing this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the basement working on the
> Piet's engine!
>
> Stay warm!
> Fred B.
> La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for someone |
Jack,
I sent you a letter today on this subject
Corky
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts |
Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts
Here you go Roman:
Yes I have the Pietenpol Story for sale @ $24.95 plus $4 for priority
mailshipping. Just send a check to:Chet Peek1861 DanfieldNorman, OK
73072
His Email isRBaron18(at)aol.com
On 2/6/07, Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
You didn't finish your plug of Peek's book.
Where does one send the $29.95?
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From: tbyh@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Weather, Chet Peek's book, Parts
Was 14 below zero in La Crosse yesterday morning, only about 10
below this morning. Supposed to warm up to 10-20 above the next coupld
of days -- a heat wave! My dad called the other night and said that he
heard that there had been a homebuilt airplane accident in Iowa. He
wondered if it was a Pietenpol. I told him that with temps below zero
and strong Northwest winds I seriously doubted that anyone would be out
and about in an open-cockpit Piet! Then again, if you put a little
cardboard over the radiator...
It was 42 below zero (without wind chill) at Embarass, MN,
yesterday...I'd be embarassed to live there, too. Only time you hear of
the place is when it's that cold
Makes me wonder if over the years anyone has ever installed a
canopy or enclosure on their Air Camper...
I have to put in a plug for Chet Peek's new book "The Pietenpol
Story." I ordered my copy about a week ago and it arrived this past
Friday -- by Friday midnight I had read it cover to cover. Excellent! I
easpecially enjoyed the stories and pictures from the early days of Air
Camper development. Anyway, I highly recommend this book for all
Pietenpol enthusiasts, whether you own one, are building one or just
plain love airplanes. Send Chet a check for $29.95 (that includes the
shipping) and if you ask, he'll even sign your copy.
Occasionally I get over to Rochester, MN, to see my cousin.
(Rochester is not too far from Cherry Grove country).We had breakfast
the Saturday before Christmas at "Cheap Charlie's" in Rochester (about
the best breakfast in town -- lots of good food at low cost. The
atmosphere? Well, what can I say? Guys like it). One of my cousin's pals
happened to there. This fellow used to drive a bread truck down to
Cherry Grove and delivered at the general store -- which had been
previously owned by Bernard's Uncle, if I read Chet's book correctly. He
told us that one day while he was there (many, many years ago) the store
owner said his phone was out of order -- which was kind of important
since many of his farmer customers would call in their orders and he'd
deliver their groceries out to their farms. He said Bernard was coming
by to fix the phone -- but the owner wasn't sure when. He said that
Bernard was not always too quick to respond. How ever, all of a sudden
there was Bernard coming through the door with his toolbox, all set to
fix the phone. The store owner made a comment to Bernard that he was
surprised to see Bernard so soon. All Bernard said was, "Kind of hard to
run a business without a phone, isn't it?"
Anyway, thought that was a good piece of Pietenpol lore...
Well, I've got a whole bunch of new Model A engine parts from
Snyder's being delivered this week -- plus an Ed Sterba prop for a Model
A (was on e-Bay last week -- was Ron Vander Hart's -- has only 8 hours
on it). Guess what I'm doing this weekend? Yep -- I'll be in the
basement working on the Piet's engine!
Stay warm!
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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| Subject: | Engines and Mounts |
I don't think Continental ever built a 'C65' engine. It was an A65, then
an A75, then a C85 engine, which is close to the O-200. Recently, there was
an article in Sport Aviation about the history of Continental engines.
Throughout the history of the Pietenpol, it is notable to have had a
wider variety of engines than any other airframe in aviation history. However,
there is None that I know of that has had success with a V W engine. In my
opinion, the A65 engine is a near perfect match for the Pietenpol Airframe. As
far as PSRU's (Prop Speed Reduction Units), they add weight, complexity,
expense and maintenance...and more notable, they reduce reliability and
dependability. You simply can't disregard a trend analyst.
An engine mount would almost certainly have to be custom built for any
particular homebuilt airplane, or at least modified in some way if you would
purchase one. Another huge reason to build your own mount, is that it is a
reasonable method to attain a safe Center of Gravity location. Shad is correct
in that my engine mount is long, in order to maintain a safe C of G in any
loading configuration. I used the next heavier wall thickness tubing than in the
plans, and I built it with down thrust, and right thrust.
And Gus, I think you should certainly purchase a set of plans from the
Pietenpol Family. There is a link to their web site on my home page.
Chuck Gantzer
Wichita, KS
NX770CG
http://nx770cg.com/
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