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1. 04:19 AM - Re: Piet for sale ()
2. 01:14 PM - elevator trim (Oscar Zuniga)
3. 01:29 PM - Re: elevator trim (HelsperSew@aol.com)
4. 05:34 PM - TEST MESSAGE... (Graham Hansen)
5. 05:45 PM - Re: elevator trim (Roman Bukolt)
6. 06:12 PM - Re: Trucker Del (Don Emch)
7. 06:36 PM - Propeller duplicator (Don Emch)
8. 06:46 PM - elevator trim (Oscar Zuniga)
9. 06:52 PM - Re: Propeller duplicator (Peter W Johnson)
10. 06:54 PM - Re: Propeller duplicator (gcardinal)
11. 07:44 PM - Re: Propeller duplicator (Catdesigns)
12. 10:41 PM - Re: powerpoint presentation (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 10:48 PM - Re: elevator trim (Rcaprd@aol.com)
14. 11:31 PM - Re: Propeller duplicator (Rcaprd@aol.com)
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Real sorry to hear you have to pack it in Ron.
>From: "Ronnie Wagner" <wlrdlr@starband.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale
>Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 21:38:25 -0600
>
>Pieters,
> I'm going to list my plane on eBay in the next few days but in
>appreciation for all the info I've gathered from this list, I thought I
>would give someone here a chance at it first. I'm not a perfectionist by
>any means, but I'm not a fisherman either :). My plane is sitting on the
>gear, with controls installed, skytec struts, aluminum tanks, and some
>instruments (not installed). I have laminated spars built and ribs built,
>but not made into wings yet, the tailfeathers are complete but not on the
>fuse.
>It has a Franklin 90 hp engine mounted and cowling that isn't mounted yet
>but comes with it, also have exhaust, carb, and Sensenich prop that came
>with firewall forward package I traded for 2 years ago. The engine was
>flying when removed from a clipped wing metal tube Piet in favor of a 150
>horse..... I talked to the man who removed it 6 mos after I traded for it
>and he claimed it was good to go when he took it off his plane and sold it
>to the man I bought it from. I have no logs so I would suggest a borescope
>at the least and a teardown at the most. The welding on gear, control and
>mounts was done by my mentor and an AP.
>We bought building supply lumber and handpicked and cut down large boards
>for all the wood, I was pleased with the price and the quality, (at the
>time my local eaa chapter was rebuilding a plane and we ordered 900 dollars
>worth of unusable spruce, so I chose the hardware store route, and wouldn't
>do it any different now.)
>I have the seat leaned back 2 inches from plans and the bottom rear part of
>the seat lowered 1 and a1/2 inches. I am 6"1' and fit nicely. I raised the
>turtledeck and built a hat box in it with a couple extra stringers to give
>it a more rounded look, ala Mike Cuys video. (thanks Mike)
>Whoever buys the plane can have my WW plans and several Corvair engine pcs,
>( enough to build a motor) also one of the blocks has a PSRU on it. I
>started out with plans for the Corvair but when the Franklin engine package
>came along I decided that would be best for me.
>I'm selling the plane for several reasons, none of them have to do with
>quality or workmanship problems, more along the lines of time commitments,
>storage and a business that's growing faster than I'm capable of running
>it. I'll be sad to see it go but would love to see it fly.
>Everyone on the list has contributed something but I would like to Thank,
>Mike Cuy, Corky and Jim Markle especially.
>The Piet is 5500.00 and you can email me off list for my phone numbers if
>your interested.
>Thanks everyone,
>Ronnie Wagner
>Mena, Arkansas
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Since it's so slow here on the list, I'll review my elevator trim system a
bit. If you noticed the last photo on my "first flight" webpage,
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Firstflight.html , you may have noticed
that on the ground the elevators are nearly neutral when the stick isn't
secured aft with the safety belt. That's due to the bungee tensioner that I
installed for elevator trim.
We haven't flown it on any cross-country yet, but around the pattern it
seems just about right for stick forces. What I did was just take out some
of the heaviness with the bungee, but additional back pressure can be
applied if needed in cruise. I've employed the "cord with knots, dropped
into a notch" method, with the bungee attached to the elevator bellcrank
back in the fuselage. The pilot can reach down to the right side front of
the seat and grab a ring, pull the cord out to the next knot, drop it in
that slot, or vice versa to back off. The idea is not to use this in the
pattern, but at cruise where it's needed. In the pattern, the stick
pressures have not been heavy at all. That was somewhat of a surprise to me
at first, because when it's sitting on the ground the stick makes all kinds
of noises and has quite a bit of resistance to being stirred around. In
flight it's very responsive and smooth.
The last time I flew a Cub, maybe 6 years ago, I remember the stick being
pretty heavy to hold back once you pulled power abeam the numbers and set up
your glide unless you started cranking in some trim. The Piet seems to have
pretty light stick forces, but maybe that means my bungee system is helping.
I should disconnect it to see what difference it makes. Something else to
play with.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: elevator trim |
Oscar,
I have incorporated a similar bungee system, also applying pressures to the
elevator bellcrank, either up or down. The mechanism I devised to apply the
"pulls" on the bungee's is a square-tube-inside-a-square tube- slider, with a
spring-loaded pin to set it where you want. Initially wanted to have it
with a tensioned lever, but couldn't find a place to put it and make it work the
way I wanted. The slider tubes are mounted on the floor down to the left
side. Not sure how this will prove out, but it will be interesting. How have
others coped with this problem?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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This is a test message to see if my computer problem has been resolved.
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: elevator trim |
Elevator trim.
As I understand it if your CG is aft you usually need forward pressure on
the stick to maintain level flight, and aft pressure if your CG is forward.
On both Bill Rewey's plane and mine, our CG is aft so we both need forward
pressure.
I followed Bill's elevator trim idea.
He has a loose fitting rubber lined Adel ( ? ) clamp on the stick with a
bunge cord attached between the clamp and a mount down low on the front seat
back just above where the control shaft goes forward under the front seat.
The trim is easy to adjust by sliding the clamp up or down the joy stick.
The downward pull on the clamp causes it to bind and stay where you put it.
On his long trips ( four of them to Sun N Fun) he was able to leave the
stick unattended long enough to unfold and study charts, take photos, and
look through airport directories for suitable fuel stops. When it came time
to land or take off, you simply slide the clamp down to take the load off.
Or you stilll have full control of thestick with the clamp in place because
of the stretch ability of the bunge.
So, I did the same for my Piet. Works for me!
Roman Bukolt Nx20795
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: elevator trim
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Since it's so slow here on the list, I'll review my elevator trim system a
> bit. If you noticed the last photo on my "first flight" webpage,
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Firstflight.html , you may have noticed
> that on the ground the elevators are nearly neutral when the stick isn't
> secured aft with the safety belt. That's due to the bungee tensioner that
> I installed for elevator trim.
>
> We haven't flown it on any cross-country yet, but around the pattern it
> seems just about right for stick forces. What I did was just take out
> some of the heaviness with the bungee, but additional back pressure can be
> applied if needed in cruise. I've employed the "cord with knots, dropped
> into a notch" method, with the bungee attached to the elevator bellcrank
> back in the fuselage. The pilot can reach down to the right side front of
> the seat and grab a ring, pull the cord out to the next knot, drop it in
> that slot, or vice versa to back off. The idea is not to use this in the
> pattern, but at cruise where it's needed. In the pattern, the stick
> pressures have not been heavy at all. That was somewhat of a surprise to
> me at first, because when it's sitting on the ground the stick makes all
> kinds of noises and has quite a bit of resistance to being stirred around.
> In flight it's very responsive and smooth.
>
> The last time I flew a Cub, maybe 6 years ago, I remember the stick being
> pretty heavy to hold back once you pulled power abeam the numbers and set
> up your glide unless you started cranking in some trim. The Piet seems to
> have pretty light stick forces, but maybe that means my bungee system is
> helping. I should disconnect it to see what difference it makes.
> Something else to play with.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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I was just reading Mike's Trucker Del post and realized that a lot of people really
do travel the Ohio turnpike frequently. So I thought I'd give an invitation.
I live about 10 minutes or so south of the "east-most" Ohio Turnpike exit.
I keep my plane about three miles from my house. If anyone is ever traveling
the turnpike and would like to stop and talk Piets, just let me know.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Propeller duplicator |
Some of the talk about props over the last couple of months has stirred my interest
in propeller carving. I'm not really sure I would want to tackle something
like this, but I have thought about playing around with it. I know there are
some guys on here, Chuck G. and Greg C. and there may be more, that have carved
their own props. Where did you find your prop duplicator plans? I keep
looking online and can't seem to find anything. I'm still amazed that guys like
Ed Sterba are still out there that carve each prop individually by hand! I
wish I had that talent!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Roman-
Just out of curiosity, do your and Bill Rewey's planes have the fuel tanks
in the wing center section or out ahead in the nose cowling? If your fuel
is in the wing, maybe that's why you need forward stick to trim it in
cruise.
41CC has the fuel in the nose cowling ahead of the front cockpit and neither
Charlie nor I weigh all that much so with full fuel it has needed aft stick
to trim it in cruise. That's what it needed when Corky -er, Nathan- and
Edwin flew it. Corky had a bungee wrapped around the stick to apply back
pressure, with the "slide it up the stick for more, down the stick for less"
like you have except pulling back instead of forward.
Every Piet is different! Aren't you glad we're not all building
RV-somethings? ;o)
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Propeller duplicator |
Don,
Try http://www.aerodyndesign.com/PROP_DUP/PROP_DUP.htm or
http://www.wood-carver.com/Gemini.html or
http://www.donsplans.com/html/aircraft.html
I built mine by hand but I would like to have built one of these first.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi, Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Tuesday, 13 February 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller duplicator
Some of the talk about props over the last couple of months has stirred my
interest in propeller carving. I'm not really sure I would want to tackle
something like this, but I have thought about playing around with it. I
know there are some guys on here, Chuck G. and Greg C. and there may be
more, that have carved their own props. Where did you find your prop
duplicator plans? I keep looking online and can't seem to find anything.
I'm still amazed that guys like Ed Sterba are still out there that carve
each prop individually by hand! I wish I had that talent!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94609#94609
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller duplicator |
Plans for the prop duplicator were obtained from Gary McGill. He used to
advertise in the back of Sport Aviation. Not sure if he is still around.
I also have to add that it is Dale Johnson who is responsible for the prop
work on NX18235.
See attached picture.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller duplicator
>
> Some of the talk about props over the last couple of months has stirred my
> interest in propeller carving. I'm not really sure I would want to tackle
> something like this, but I have thought about playing around with it. I
> know there are some guys on here, Chuck G. and Greg C. and there may be
> more, that have carved their own props. Where did you find your prop
> duplicator plans? I keep looking online and can't seem to find anything.
> I'm still amazed that guys like Ed Sterba are still out there that carve
> each prop individually by hand! I wish I had that talent!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94609#94609
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller duplicator |
My brother built a duplicator from these plans.. Said it worked good.
http://www.copycarver.com/
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Propeller duplicator
>
> Some of the talk about props over the last couple of months has stirred my
> interest in propeller carving. I'm not really sure I would want to tackle
> something like this, but I have thought about playing around with it. I
> know there are some guys on here, Chuck G. and Greg C. and there may be
> more, that have carved their own props. Where did you find your prop
> duplicator plans? I keep looking online and can't seem to find anything.
> I'm still amazed that guys like Ed Sterba are still out there that carve
> each prop individually by hand! I wish I had that talent!
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=94609#94609
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: powerpoint presentation |
In a message dated 2/11/2007 2:18:58 PM Central Standard Time,
taildrags@hotmail.com writes:
Second thing I found out is that not everyone is fond of smoke. A couple of
ladies (remember, we're based on an airpark with people living right
alongside the runway and hangars) remarked to me that they didn't care for
that smelly old smoke and to make sure the wind was blowing away from the
homes if I laid down a cloud. Hmmm... a lesson learned.
Oscar,
Use Baby Oil. Women love the smell of babies !!
Chuck 'Baby Oil' Gantzer
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: elevator trim |
In a message dated 2/12/2007 3:31:25 PM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
How have others coped with this problem?
I used fixed tabs on the trailing edge of the flippers. Simple install, and
no moving parts.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller duplicator |
In a message dated 2/12/2007 8:38:03 PM Central Standard Time,
EmchAir@aol.com writes:
I know there are some guys on here, Chuck G. and Greg C. and there may be
more, that have carved their own props. Where did you find your prop duplicator
plans?
Don,
If you can build a Pietenpol, you can Certainly build a prop.
I didn't use a duplicator. I built two props for the Model A, and one
for the Continental A65. I've re-worked the prop for the A65 two times, to get
a little more RPM, and now have about 300 hours on that one. I used the book
by Eric Clutton, 'Propeller Making for the Amateur' - available through the
EAA. I still plan on building a Scimitar Prop for the Piet, using most of his
methods. I corresponded with him quite a bit (via e-mail) on the Scimitar, and
I find it a very interesting design.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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