---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/16/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/15/07 (tbyh@aol.com) 2. 07:03 AM - Alan Weise fender brakes (Ben Charvet) 3. 07:55 AM - Re: Alan Weise fender brakes () 4. 06:24 PM - Internet sighting of Duane Woolsey's Piet. (Catdesigns) 5. 06:40 PM - Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs (Catdesigns) 6. 07:10 PM - Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs (DJ Vegh) 7. 07:42 PM - Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs (Rcaprd@aol.com) 8. 08:36 PM - Re: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs (Catdesigns) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/15/07 From: tbyh@aol.com Anybody got a picture of Alan Weise's Piet with the fenders that double as brakes -- would like to see that! Fred B. La Crosse, WI -----Original Message----- From: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 1:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 4 Msgs - 02/15/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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In 2005 they were building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there. I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll look for you! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl John Smoyer wrote: > Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? > I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, > measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks. > > John Smoyer > Mid-Atlantic Air Museum > Reading, PA > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > >* > > >* > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 From: "Phillips, Jack" I'm planning on bringing mine. Don't know yet what dates but I doubt I'll stay the whole week. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Smoyer Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks. John Smoyer Mid-Atlantic Air Museum Reading, PA _____ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:47 AM PST US From: "James" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years. Jim T. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 --> I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there. I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll look for you! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl John Smoyer wrote: > Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? > I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, > measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks. > > John Smoyer > Mid-Atlantic Air Museum > Reading, PA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Be a PS3 game guru. > Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! > Games. > >* > > >* > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:20 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 Alan came to our fly-in in October and he still looks well. He is over 80 years old I think. We have a picture of him in our chapter meeting room throwing his leg over the side of his Piet in a way mty 52 year old legs won't go. Maybe I should start working on my stretching exercises.... I heard he just decided it was time to stop flying. His plane has some innovative ideas. I like the fenders that double as brakes. The brass horn is a nice touch too. Ben James wrote: > >I saw that in the museum last week and was wondering on how it got there? I >had met Alan many times at various flyins around Florida over the years. > > Jim T. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:08 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Sun 'n Fun 2007 > > >--> > >I haven't seen a Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun the last few years, but have met >some of the builders in the wood-working tent. In 2005 they were >building a Piet there. Alan Weise's old Piet is in the museum there. >I'll be wearing my Low and Slow hat. Wear your Piet clothes and I'll >look for you! > >Ben Charvet >Mims, Fl >John Smoyer wrote: > > > >>Is anyone on the list bringing his Piet to this year's Sun 'n Fun? >>I'd love to meet you, ask zillions of dumb questions, take pix, >>measure, buy you lunch and share stories and lies. Thanks. >> >>John Smoyer >>Mid-Atlantic Air Museum >>Reading, PA >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>-- >>Be a PS3 game guru. >>Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >>Games. >> >>* >> >> >>* >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:06 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alan Weise fender brakes Here are a few pictures of his brakes. As I remember the mechanism was cable operated. I don't think these pictures show it very well Ben ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:11 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alan Weise fender brakes That's really neat;it will clean the wheels at the same time.You can readily see when the pads have to be changed and it looks like you can use old tires for pads(very economical).The operating system is simplicity itself.I may just change my whole brake system over to this type! >From: Ben Charvet >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Alan Weise fender brakes >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:59:43 -0500 > >Here are a few pictures of his brakes. As I remember the mechanism was >cable operated. I don't think these pictures show it very well >Ben ><< IM001892.JPG >> ><< IM001893.JPG >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:45 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Internet sighting of Duane Woolsey's Piet. While searching the internet for wing strut designs, I came across a picture of the Subaru powered Pietenpol built by Duane Woolsey. Duane sold it the same year Steve Eldridge and Duane few back to Brodhead from Utah (they also went to that other little show up north). Go to http://www.s6s.org/ look for his Update 05/06/06 link on the left, then scroll down to the bottom of the page looking for his 05/06/06 entry, click on that then scroll down through the pictures to find the Piet picture. I seem to remember someone was asking about this plane some time ago. If that was one of you, you could try emailing the guy who does this website. Maybe he could put you in touch with the owner, which appears to be a Mr. Bill Majors. Hey Steve E., what ever happened to your write-up about your flight to Brodhead? If you still have a have a copy of it, can I post it on my website? Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:28 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs Anyone else notice that the Rans highwing planes use aluminum struts? What I am trying to find out is, how are the ends of the struts done? I found one picture (attached) of the lower end (from http://www.justplanefrank.com) . It looks as though one bolt and three pull rivets are used to hold an aluminum end. This design will not work as the lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Larry Williams appears to have used this approach on his aluminum strutted Piet http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/Air_Venture_2003_trip_107.jpg. Anyone have access to a Rans S6 or S7? What size struts are they and how are the ends done. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:03 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs here's how I did mine http://veghdesign.com/aircamper/log/image-pages/03-13-04.htm I used 4130 on the lower ends because I threaded them for adjustable piper cub forks. The upper ends are aluminum 2024 aluminum bar. DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catdesigns" Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs > Anyone else notice that the Rans highwing planes use aluminum struts? > > What I am trying to find out is, how are the ends of the struts done? I > found one picture (attached) of the lower end (from > http://www.justplanefrank.com) . It looks as though one bolt and three > pull > rivets are used to hold an aluminum end. This design will not work as the > lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Larry > Williams appears to have used this approach on his aluminum strutted Piet > http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Larry%20Williams/Air_Venture_2003_trip_107.jpg. > > Anyone have access to a Rans S6 or S7? What size struts are they and how > are > the ends done. > > Chris Tracy > Sacramento, Ca > Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:49 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs In a message dated 2/16/2007 8:42:05 PM Central Standard Time, catdesigns@comcast.net writes: This design will not work as the lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Chris, It appears that those designs eliminate the capability to move the wing for and aft. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:24 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs Chuck, your right. I guess I should be more clear. In my muddy water of a mind I know what I'm talking about. I'm not suggesting changing the strut design of the Piet. The Rans struts come together at the front strut and mount to the fuselage at one point. I'm not suggesting doing this at all. All I was looking at was the square aluminum bar with the hole in it and how it was mounted into the aluminum strut. If one was to use the aluminum strut on a Piet, this would be a simple solution. As DJ seems to have used also, once again it proves that if I can think of it someone has already thought of it too. I didn't even think about the lower end using fork but now as I look back in my notes I see Larry Williams did something as DJ just a little different: "For fittings, I got BIG terminals end and wieldable inserts, welded the insert into a 3/4" square tube and slid it into the strut material where it is cross-bolted in place. If I was to do it over, I'd just make some sort of fork-like fittings and dispense with the adjustable feature. Much cheaper and I have found no reason to adjust mine since installation." I'm no where near needing them just doing some thinking is all. Also, I noticed the Rans jury struts are attached to the aluminum strut by way of an AN eyebolt. They are bit hard to see in the attached photo but that's what they look like to me. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rans Aluminum Wing Strut Designs In a message dated 2/16/2007 8:42:05 PM Central Standard Time, catdesigns@comcast.net writes: This design will not work as the lower end but would work great on the upper end of a Piet strut. Chris, It appears that those designs eliminate the capability to move the wing for and aft. Chuck G. 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