---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/20/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Lee Bottom Flying Field (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: How do they fly? (Gene Beenenga) 3. 07:04 AM - Re: How do they fly? (Steve Ruse) 4. 09:53 AM - Re: How do they fly? () 5. 10:47 AM - Re: How do they fly? (Skip-Cinda Gadd) 6. 11:05 AM - Re: How do they fly? (Steve Ruse) 7. 11:15 AM - Re: How do they fly? (DJ Vegh) 8. 12:10 PM - Re: How do they fly? (Steve Ruse) 9. 12:12 PM - Re: How do they fly? () 10. 02:30 PM - Re: Lee Bottom Flying Field (n925wb1@aol.com) 11. 04:24 PM - Re: How do they fly? (Gene & Tammy) 12. 05:48 PM - Lee Bottom Airfield (Larry Rice) 13. 08:18 PM - Routine Maintenance (Rcaprd@aol.com) 14. 08:23 PM - Cutting the Toilet Paper (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Flying Field From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Ginger and Rich Davidson own and run Lee Bottom and both are tailwheel pilots, he is an airline pilot. Very nice people and met them several years back when they were running the GA/homebuilt parking area at the Indianapolis Air show. http://www.leebottom.com/ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:41 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish up a GN-1. What is your engine? Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ruse >Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > >In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally, >it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little >float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again, >lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with >some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any >other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000' >strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a >different story. > > > >Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an >aggressive slip. > > > >Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have >a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very >easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed >also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in >my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better >looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side >load. > > > >My plane is a GN-1, by the way. > > > >Steve Ruse > >Norman, OK > > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > > > >Questions > > > > - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly? > > > >- does the aircraft float on forever when landing? > >- What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and >half tanks? > >- Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents? >(i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the >throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!) > >- Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable >tailwheels? > > > >That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain? > > > >Cheers, > > > >Roger Harris > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:44 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? Here are about 40 pictures of my GN-1. It has a Continental A-75 engine. http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/ http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/111806/ http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/GN1/ Climbing out: http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100023.jpg Here is one of me getting ready to go...it was about 28 degrees...notice the fog on the goggles: http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100019.jpg Steve Quoting Gene Beenenga : > > Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish > up a GN-1. What is your engine? > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve Ruse >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? >> >> In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally, >> it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little >> float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again, >> lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with >> some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any >> other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000' >> strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a >> different story. >> >> >> >> Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an >> aggressive slip. >> >> >> >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very >> easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed >> also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in >> my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better >> looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side >> load. >> >> >> >> My plane is a GN-1, by the way. >> >> >> >> Steve Ruse >> >> Norman, OK >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris >> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? >> >> >> >> Questions >> >> >> >> - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly? >> >> >> >> - does the aircraft float on forever when landing? >> >> - What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and >> half tanks? >> >> - Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents? >> (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the >> throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!) >> >> - Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable >> tailwheels? >> >> >> >> That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain? >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Roger Harris >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:16 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:09 AM PST US From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? Steve, The Grega we have, Felix the GN-1, also has Cub gear. The tread is the same as a Cub, 72". How did your gear get narrowed? Maybe it came off one of those aerobatic clipped-gear Cubs ;) Skip > -----Original Message----- > >> From: Steve Ruse > >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM > >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have > >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:10 AM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? You'll like the scarf, it really helps keep your neck from getting chaffed when you are looking around for Germans in their Fokkers. Funny story from flying on February 10th (probably more funny if you were there, but here it is anyway): I went up early on the morning of the 10th, and at some time unknown to me, my scarf departed the flight. After landing, a friend and I jumped in his Citabria to go (scarf) hunting in the areas I had been flying. The area is mostly unpopulated, but we actually found the scarf in someone's front yard, landed, drove out there and picked it up. Talk about a needle in a haystack. Steve Quoting harvey.rule@sympatico.ca: > > Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:49 AM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? I think he meant the "vee" is narrowed. I too have J3 gear on mine and the Vee had to be narrowed an inch or two to fit the narrower fuse width of the GN-1 DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:46 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > > Steve, > The Grega we have, Felix the GN-1, also has Cub gear. The tread is the same > as a Cub, 72". How did your gear get narrowed? Maybe it came off one of > those aerobatic clipped-gear Cubs ;) > Skip > > > > -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Steve Ruse > > >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM > > > >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, > I have > > >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:48 PM PST US From: Steve Ruse Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? DJ is correct. Steve do not archive Quoting DJ Vegh : > > I think he meant the "vee" is narrowed. I too have J3 gear on mine and the > Vee had to be narrowed an inch or two to fit the narrower fuse width of the > GN-1 > > DJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:46 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > > > >> >> Steve, >> The Grega we have, Felix the GN-1, also has Cub gear. The tread is the > same >> as a Cub, 72". How did your gear get narrowed? Maybe it came off one of >> those aerobatic clipped-gear Cubs ;) >> Skip >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: Steve Ruse >> > >> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM >> >> > >> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, >> I have >> > >> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:21 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? I guess the white scarf stood out.Your lucky to have found it but then you had an idea where it came off. Yes I am looking forward to hunting the Hun with my white scarf and Lewis Machinegun mounted on the fusy. do not archive >From: Steve Ruse >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? >Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 14:04:41 -0500 > > >You'll like the scarf, it really helps keep your neck from getting chaffed >when you are looking around for Germans in their Fokkers. > >Funny story from flying on February 10th (probably more funny if you were >there, but here it is anyway): > >I went up early on the morning of the 10th, and at some time unknown to >me, my scarf departed the flight. After landing, a friend and I jumped in >his Citabria to go (scarf) hunting in the areas I had been flying. The >area is mostly unpopulated, but we actually found the scarf in someone's >front yard, landed, drove out there and picked it up. Talk about a needle >in a haystack. > >Steve > > >Quoting harvey.rule@sympatico.ca: > >> >>Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:30:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Flying Field From: n925wb1@aol.com I've been to their "Sinful Sunday's" fly-in once. The field is right nice, and the folks are plently friendly. I didn't fly in, but did snag quite a few good photos while I was there. http://www.taildraggersinc.com/Gallery/Lee_Bottom_SS_08132006.htm If anyone is thinking about flying in to Lee Bottom, quit thinking. The answer is "YES!" -Wayne -----Original Message----- From: taildrags@hotmail.com Sent: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 9:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Flying Field Howdy, 'polers; Over the weekend I received a calendar from the Lee Bottom Flying Field folks. Really sound like "our kind" of people. I am either dreaming or at some time in the past I was subscribed to their e-newsletter, the "NORDO News", but can't remember ever receiving it. Any of you Pietenpolers ever make it to their fly-in in September, in Indiana? I know at least two of you must have in the past because in the photo featured on the calendar, a DC-3 is shown touching down on the grass runway and there is a Piet clearly visible in the background, along the flight line. It appears to be the "Last Original" or one just like it. Also in their photos online, there is a Piet shown in one of the photos. Anybody that loves tailwheels, grass strips, and old airplanes as much as these folks, can't be all that bad! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Want a degree but can't afford to quit? 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Gene N502R----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > > Great pics Steve;I have ordered my silk scarf and it's on the way! > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:36 PM PST US From: Larry Rice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lee Bottom Airfield If you want to subscribe to their newsletter, go to: http://www.leebottom.com/ Micro Mong Larry -- ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:31 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Routine Maintenance I just thought I would send along some info on a few of the items I am addressing, and maybe spark a discussion of what you other guys do as routin e maintenance. I have just over 300 hrs on 'er now. I removed the exhaust pipes to sandblast, paint (white again), and wrap the upper portion of the pipes with insulating wrap from Thermo-Tec, for two reasons: 1. Better exhaust scavenging by maintaining a higher temp in the exhaust gases, that exit the system faster through decreased density. 2. Make More and Better Smoke !! If the mineral oil is more completely vaporized through higher temperature, it will make more smoke, and leave les s residue on the airframe. Remove the spark plugs for sandblast, inspection, and check gaps. Befor e sandblasting, the plugs had a nice medium to dark gray color, except that I found that #2 cylinder has some oil residue on them. The plugs will be re-installed in the next higher cylinder, and switched from top to bottom. After first flight of the year, I'll do a compression test and change the oil. Remove the Slick mags for clean, inspect, and check the gap. I also had a slight oil leak at the gaskets of the mags, which I'll use a very thin application of Hylomar - gasket & jointing compound. It's not silicone, but looks and feels similar. This stuff is manufactured under licensee from Rolls Royce...so it can't be all that bad !! Remove all the valve covers (slight oil leak) for clean & inspect, and give the gaskets the same treatment with the Hylomar. Fabric and paint the fixed trim tab on the rudder, and re-do the re-inforce patch where the rudder cables and flipper cables protrude the sid es of the aft fuselage. Jack up the plane, deflate the tires, pull the wheel bearings for clean and inspect, remove the tires from the rims and turn the tires around end fo r end, because of the camber wearing the outer half of the tire tread - I have split axle gear. Fabricate and weld some stops on the torque tube, for 32=BA up travel an d 25=BA down travel of the flippers. Before first flight of the year, I'll loosen the prop bolts, re-torque t o 17 ft. lbs, and re-saftey. I do this 2 or 3 times a year. Pull every inspection cover on the plane for inspection with a mirror an d a bright flashlight. Two drops of oil on all hinges, bearings, and spring gear. Clean and inspect the entire fabric surface, and wax the leading edge of the wing, and wax the prop...might even wax the car. This inevitably is just a partial list of to do's. What do you other guys do ? Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:25 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cutting the Toilet Paper I've been playing around with putting up a short clip on Youtube video. You folks that have high speed connection might get a kick out of the 4 minute clip I put together. I did a mixture of music and engine sound. Here is the link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz-IUf5oex4 Chuck G. 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