---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/22/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: How do they fly? (Gene Beenenga) 2. 05:34 AM - Cutting the Toilet Paper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 3. 06:26 AM - Fuse assembly question (Dan Loegering) 4. 06:54 AM - Re: Fuse assembly question (Phillips, Jack) 5. 07:01 AM - aluminum leading edge (Tom Bernie) 6. 07:26 AM - Re: Fuse assembly question (Rick Holland) 7. 12:37 PM - Re: Fuse assembly question (Peter W Johnson) 8. 03:19 PM - Re: Fuse assembly question (Dale Johnson) 9. 09:28 PM - Re: Cutting the Toilet Paper (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:51 AM PST US From: Gene Beenenga Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? Steve, thanks for the pics. Looks great! Just confirms how much further I have to go! Gene -----Original Message----- >From: Steve Ruse >Sent: Feb 20, 2007 9:04 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? > > >Here are about 40 pictures of my GN-1. It has a Continental A-75 engine. > >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/ >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/111806/ >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/GN1/ > >Climbing out: >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100023.jpg > >Here is one of me getting ready to go...it was about 28 >degrees...notice the fog on the goggles: >http://www.wotelectronics.com/flyin/021007/P2100019.jpg > >Steve > >Quoting Gene Beenenga : > >> >> Steve, how about a pic or two of your GN-1. I am trying to finish >> up a GN-1. What is your engine? >> >> Gene >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Steve Ruse >>> Sent: Feb 17, 2007 10:07 PM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? >>> >>> In the real world, if there is one thing a Pietenpol can do exceptionally, >>> it is slowing down. They are draggy airplanes. There is very, very little >>> float on landing unless you start your flair above cruise speed. Again, >>> lots of drag keeps your time to flair down. A lot of people land them with >>> some power to give more float time. It has much, much less float than any >>> other airplane I've flown. I'm pretty comfortable landing on a rough 1,000' >>> strip. Taking off fully loaded from a 1,000' strip on a warm day is a >>> different story. >>> >>> >>> >>> Like someone else said, you can lose a lot of altitude very quickly in an >>> aggressive slip. >>> >>> >>> >>> Ground handling isn't bad at all in my plane in my opinion. However, I have >>> a (narrowed) J3 Cub landing gear & a steerable tailwheel.it is actually very >>> easy to steer accurately on the ground at low speeds. The low landing speed >>> also makes landings fairly easy. I've got probably around 400 landings in >>> my plane, and I've never scared myself. I'm sure landing with the (better >>> looking) motorcycle wheels is more difficult, and more susceptible to side >>> load. >>> >>> >>> >>> My plane is a GN-1, by the way. >>> >>> >>> >>> Steve Ruse >>> >>> Norman, OK >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Harris >>> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:57 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: How do they fly? >>> >>> >>> >>> Questions >>> >>> >>> >>> - does sideslipping increase your rate of descent significantly? >>> >>> >>> >>> - does the aircraft float on forever when landing? >>> >>> - What's the stall speed at MTOW and with the average pilot and >>> half tanks? >>> >>> - Is the ground-handling as difficult as Bill's model represents? >>> (i.e no steering on the ground unless you really give it rice on the >>> throttle, and ground-loops at the sl;ighteest opportunity!) >>> >>> - Are there mods which help her on the ground? Brakes or steerable >>> tailwheels? >>> >>> >>> >>> That's enough for now - anyone know of an example in Spain? >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> Roger Harris >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cutting the Toilet Paper From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" That was some good video, Chuck. Thanks for posting that and letting us fly thru the flight with you. Great fun that is. Have you given crepe paper rolls a try yet ? The Dollar Store or Wal Mart has those rolls at reasonable prices. Catch them outside of your prop about mid-wing on each side and then fly around town with them. I've found there is a Vncp (velocity never exceed while dragging crepe paper around) because it will stretch to a point then break if you go too fast. Mike C. PS-- my apologies to any tree huggers ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question From: "Dan Loegering" Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of clarification. When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals from upper left to lower right... I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many plans sets have temporarily fried my brain. Thanks! Dan Loegering Fargo, ND ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:42 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question From: "Phillips, Jack" >From an engineering standpoint it just doesn't matter. Mine are the same, top & bottom - no X Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Loegering Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of clarification. When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals from upper left to lower right... I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many plans sets have temporarily fried my brain. Thanks! Dan Loegering Fargo, ND _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: aluminum leading edge From: Tom Bernie Folks, Can anyone advise me about how to apply the .013 aluminum leading edge skins called for on my GN-1 plans. I can't find anything definitive on the web or in my books. Thanks, Tom Bernie Gloucester Mass ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:04 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question Mine ended up right to left on top and left to right on the bottom when behind the fuselage facing forward. Rick On 2/22/07, Dan Loegering wrote: > > danl@odayequipment.com> > > Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of > clarification. > > When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the > diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece > diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals > from upper left to lower right... > > I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many > plans sets have temporarily fried my brain. > > Thanks! > > Dan Loegering > Fargo, ND > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:09 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question Dan, Jacks correct, doesnt make any difference. Mine are in the X shape. Check out http://www.cpc-world.com for some pictures. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Loegering Sent: Friday, 23 February 2007 1:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of clarification. When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals from upper left to lower right... I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many plans sets have temporarily fried my brain. Thanks! Dan Loegering Fargo, ND -- 3:19 PM -- 3:19 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:09 PM PST US From: "Dale Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question Dan I thing you have it reversed. If we are looking at the same thing. The top brace should go from the front left to the rear right. The bottom brace should go from the front right to the rear left. The bottom sketch is from the bottom of the plane. Dale MPLS > [Original Message] > From: Dan Loegering > To: > Date: 2/22/2007 8:31:08 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuse assembly question > > > Ok all you guys that have been here before, Just need a quick bit of clarification. > > When looking from the top of your fuselage as you were assembling, the diagonal cross members should form an "X" correct? Example: the top piece diagonals from upper right to lower left, and the bottom piece diagonals from upper left to lower right... > > I know, simple question, but long evening hours and looking at too many plans sets have temporarily fried my brain. > > Thanks! > > Dan Loegering > Fargo, ND > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:21 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cutting the Toilet Paper In a message dated 2/22/2007 7:36:17 AM Central Standard Time, michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov writes: That was some good video, Chuck. Thanks for posting that and letting us fly thru the flight with you. Great fun that is. Have you given crepe paper rolls a try yet ? The Dollar Store or Wal Mart has those rolls at reasonable prices. Catch them outside of your prop about mid-wing on each side and then fly around town with them. I've found there is a Vncp (velocity never exceed while dragging crepe paper around) because it will stretch to a point then break if you go too fast. Mike C. Hey Mikee, I haven't tried the crepe paper yet, so it is on my 'to do' list this summer. I'll just have to keep 'er below the Vnewdcpa speed. Question: Would a slip, slide the crepe paper off the wing ? Would a slip in the other direction slide the crepe paper closer to the center ? Come to think of it, it would probably make a pretty good Angle of Attack Indicator !! I'm gonna have to get some video of that !! Check list for Dollor Store : Ten Bottles of Baby Oil Ten rolls of Crepe paper Chuck G. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.