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1. 02:49 AM - New to list (Wayne Poole)
2. 06:10 AM - Re: Flying again. (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
3. 06:18 AM - Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Glenn Thomas)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 07:10 AM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (walt evans)
6. 08:08 AM - Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 01:21 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question ()
8. 03:35 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
9. 03:59 PM - Re: New to list (Rcaprd@aol.com)
10. 04:58 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Glenn Thomas)
11. 06:28 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Don Emch)
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My name is Wayne Poole and I live in Denham Springs, Louisiana. My brother
and I have a GN-1 with a Continental 0-200 that is about 95% complete.We're planning
to use a J-3 type cowling and I'm trying to find the nose bowl brackets
that mount on the front of the engine. I'm told that the brackets from Wag-aero
and Univair are for a 65hp Continental and will not fit an 0-200. Does anyone
on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has drawings of brackets
so I can fabricate some?
Wayne Poole
dxechkn@earthlink.net
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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Subject: | Re: Flying again. |
Glad to see that you and the plane are back in the air again.
Always nice to hear about another finished project going into service!
Glenn W. Thomas
Storrs, CT
http://www.flyingwood.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again.
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying
> again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel
> and
> brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful
> other
> than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet
> wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that
> will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions
> correct before use.
>
> At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but
> I
> think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much
> else
> with the baffles.
>
> If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next
> couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though.
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> --
> 1:26 PM
>
>
>
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Subject: | Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the dangers of
the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than plans because there
isn't enough room between your legs to get full control of the ailerons. I
asked the list about this and others didn't find this to be a problem. If I stick
with the plans (like I am planning to do) and actually do have this problem,
could I replace the aileron horns with shorter a shorter version allowing
me more control over the ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or
does the force required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage
and thus creating another undesirable characteristic?
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Glenn Thomas
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Subject: | Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Glen,
Go back and take a look at the diameter of the guy's legs that told you they
would get in the way. If they looked like tree trunks, ya think maybe that
could have anything to do with it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: | Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Glen,
Think it had been stated from time to time, and no one has challenged it
with conflicting data,,,,,That a Pietenpol has never failed due to design
errors.
I'd imagine that would be considered a design error
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Thomas" <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:17 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
> <glennthomas@flyingwood.com>
>
> A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the
> dangers of the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than
> plans because there isn't enough room between your legs to get full
> control of the ailerons. I asked the list about this and others didn't
> find this to be a problem. If I stick with the plans (like I am planning
> to do) and actually do have this problem, could I replace the aileron
> horns with shorter a shorter version allowing me more control over the
> ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or does the force
> required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage and thus
> creating another undesirable characteristic?
>
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> Glenn Thomas
> N?????
> http://www.flyingwood.com
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97042#97042
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Subject: | Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count.
However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron
(stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size
thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast!
Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so worried
when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The pedal
won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor mat
was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Unless your planning on doing arobatics with the Piet ,I can't see a
problem.Of coarse if you are planning on using it for that purpose,let me
know how you make out.I once knew a guy who was dumb enough to do a hammer
role with a Lazair ultralight while the A frame was being held together with
duck tape,crazy baby!
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question
>Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:07:49 -0600
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count.
>However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron
>(stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size
>thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast!
>
>Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so
>worried when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The
>pedal won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor
>mat was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Glen,
There is no such thing as a dumb question.
There is NO problem with the plans width fuselage, unless like Dan mentioned,
your legs are as big as tree trunks. Mine is a Short Fuselage, plans width.
I am 6' tall, and about 210 lbs, but my legs are Not as big as tree trunks,
however, my legs do serve well as the aileron stops. In about 300 hrs flight
time, I have Never even came close to having the stick buried into either leg.
Don't even consider changing the length of the aileron horns...the controls
function very well the way they are.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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In a message dated 2/24/2007 4:50:27 AM Central Standard Time,
dxechkn@earthlink.net writes:
Does anyone on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has
drawings of brackets so I can fabricate some?
Wayne,
Welcome to the list.
I have a Continental A65 on my Pietenpol, but I didn't like the thought of
having the cowling attached to the front of the engine, like the J3 Cub. I
built my cowl so it is totally independent of the engine, and it mounts Only to
the firewall.
You can see how it goes together on this page of my web site :
http://nx770cg.com/EngProp.html
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Thanks everyone for the feedback. I guess my EAA chapter test pilot just got a
lemon to base all his future opinions of Piets on. The replies were overwhelmingly
an indication that the plans are good as is and I'll continue to use them
as they are. My idea seems unnecessary at this point.
Thanks
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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Subject: | Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question |
Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several years
ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a guy there
that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I was really anticipating
this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during the first half of
the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really shocked when the first thing
he said was how awful of an airplane the Pietenpol was to fly. He went on
to say he had about an hour and a half on it and it was the most terrifying
flying he had ever done. He declared that Pietenpols were very unstable and his
ship would never fly again. There were probably 40 EAAers or so at this meeting
that were actively soaking up all of his Pietenpol experiences. At the
closing he felt that building it was a good experience but for someone who wanted
an airplane to fly they had better pick another design. After the meeting,
while hanging around for a while, and being almost afraid to mention to anyone
that I was building one of these beasts, I heard his ship was in the hangar
out back. I walked back to see it and saw a ship built with many deviations
from the plans that lead to many other changes that lead to an airplane that was
a builder's heartbreak because it never had a chance to be a good flying airplane.
Unfortunately all of the EAAers in there probably left with the same
impressions he had on the Pietenpol.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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