---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/24/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:49 AM - New to list (Wayne Poole) 2. 06:10 AM - Re: Flying again. (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com) 3. 06:18 AM - Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Glenn Thomas) 4. 07:10 AM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (HelsperSew@aol.com) 5. 07:10 AM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (walt evans) 6. 08:08 AM - Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 01:21 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question () 8. 03:35 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Rcaprd@aol.com) 9. 03:59 PM - Re: New to list (Rcaprd@aol.com) 10. 04:58 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Glenn Thomas) 11. 06:28 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Don Emch) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:02 AM PST US From: "Wayne Poole" Subject: Pietenpol-List: New to list My name is Wayne Poole and I live in Denham Springs, Louisiana. My brother and I have a GN-1 with a Continental 0-200 that is about 95% complete.We're planning to use a J-3 type cowling and I'm trying to find the nose bowl brackets that mount on the front of the engine. I'm told that the brackets from Wag-aero and Univair are for a 65hp Continental and will not fit an 0-200. Does anyone on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has drawings of brackets so I can fabricate some? Wayne Poole dxechkn@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:01 AM PST US From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Glad to see that you and the plane are back in the air again. Always nice to hear about another finished project going into service! Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question From: "Glenn Thomas" A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the dangers of the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than plans because there isn't enough room between your legs to get full control of the ailerons. I asked the list about this and others didn't find this to be a problem. If I stick with the plans (like I am planning to do) and actually do have this problem, could I replace the aileron horns with shorter a shorter version allowing me more control over the ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or does the force required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage and thus creating another undesirable characteristic? -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97042#97042 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Glen, Go back and take a look at the diameter of the guy's legs that told you they would get in the way. If they looked like tree trunks, ya think maybe that could have anything to do with it? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:08 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Glen, Think it had been stated from time to time, and no one has challenged it with conflicting data,,,,,That a Pietenpol has never failed due to design errors. I'd imagine that would be considered a design error walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Thomas" Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question > > > A while back a fellow in my EAA chapter approached me warning of the > dangers of the Pietenpol, notably that the cockpit MUST be wider than > plans because there isn't enough room between your legs to get full > control of the ailerons. I asked the list about this and others didn't > find this to be a problem. If I stick with the plans (like I am planning > to do) and actually do have this problem, could I replace the aileron > horns with shorter a shorter version allowing me more control over the > ailerons with the same amount of stick travel? ...or does the force > required to move them increase because of the loss of leverage and thus > creating another undesirable characteristic? > > -------- > Glenn Thomas > N????? > http://www.flyingwood.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97042#97042 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:30 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count. However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron (stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast! Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so worried when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The pedal won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor mat was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:03 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Unless your planning on doing arobatics with the Piet ,I can't see a problem.Of coarse if you are planning on using it for that purpose,let me know how you make out.I once knew a guy who was dumb enough to do a hammer role with a Lazair ultralight while the A frame was being held together with duck tape,crazy baby! >From: "Oscar Zuniga" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:07:49 -0600 > > > >As a person who only weighs 150 lbs., maybe my opinion doesn't count. >However, I don't think there is any problem with getting all the aileron >(stick) travel you need in a stock width Piet unless you have large size >thighs. Try saying that five times, real fast! > >Reminds me of what our daughter told us about the car that had us so >worried when we got back from our vacation. "The brakes don't work! The >pedal won't go all the way to the floor! It's dangerous to drive!". Floor >mat was bunched up under the brake pedal. Car was just fine. > >Oscar Zuniga >San Antonio, TX >mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >_________________________________________________________________ >Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. >Intro*Terms >https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6&disc=y&vers=743&s=4056&p=5117 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:11 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Glen, There is no such thing as a dumb question. There is NO problem with the plans width fuselage, unless like Dan mentioned, your legs are as big as tree trunks. Mine is a Short Fuselage, plans width. I am 6' tall, and about 210 lbs, but my legs are Not as big as tree trunks, however, my legs do serve well as the aileron stops. In about 300 hrs flight time, I have Never even came close to having the stick buried into either leg. Don't even consider changing the length of the aileron horns...the controls function very well the way they are. Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:28 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New to list In a message dated 2/24/2007 4:50:27 AM Central Standard Time, dxechkn@earthlink.net writes: Does anyone on the list know where I can locate them or if anyone has drawings of brackets so I can fabricate some? Wayne, Welcome to the list. I have a Continental A65 on my Pietenpol, but I didn't like the thought of having the cowling attached to the front of the engine, like the J3 Cub. I built my cowl so it is totally independent of the engine, and it mounts Only to the firewall. You can see how it goes together on this page of my web site : http://nx770cg.com/EngProp.html Chuck G. NX770CG ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question From: "Glenn Thomas" Thanks everyone for the feedback. I guess my EAA chapter test pilot just got a lemon to base all his future opinions of Piets on. The replies were overwhelmingly an indication that the plans are good as is and I'll continue to use them as they are. My idea seems unnecessary at this point. Thanks -------- Glenn Thomas N????? http://www.flyingwood.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97139#97139 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question From: "Don Emch" Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several years ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a guy there that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I was really anticipating this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during the first half of the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really shocked when the first thing he said was how awful of an airplane the Pietenpol was to fly. He went on to say he had about an hour and a half on it and it was the most terrifying flying he had ever done. He declared that Pietenpols were very unstable and his ship would never fly again. There were probably 40 EAAers or so at this meeting that were actively soaking up all of his Pietenpol experiences. At the closing he felt that building it was a good experience but for someone who wanted an airplane to fly they had better pick another design. After the meeting, while hanging around for a while, and being almost afraid to mention to anyone that I was building one of these beasts, I heard his ship was in the hangar out back. I walked back to see it and saw a ship built with many deviations from the plans that lead to many other changes that lead to an airplane that was a builder's heartbreak because it never had a chance to be a good flying airplane. Unfortunately all of the EAAers in there probably left with the same impressions he had on the Pietenpol. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.