---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 02/25/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:53 AM - Re: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (walt evans) 2. 08:05 AM - Re: Flying again. (walt evans) 3. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question () 4. 03:02 PM - off topic,,,carrier landing. warthog maybe? (walt evans) 5. 03:31 PM - Re: Flying again. (Peter W Johnson) 6. 04:34 PM - Re: Flying again. (shad bell) 7. 05:09 PM - Re: Flying again. (Peter W Johnson) 8. 07:38 PM - Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (Don Emch) 9. 08:01 PM - update on 41CC (Oscar Zuniga) 10. 08:49 PM - Re: Flying again. (Rick Holland) 11. 10:35 PM - Re: Flying again. (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:40 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Don, This wasn't in Fla. was it? Cause I met a guy who build one such beast. Luckily for all, a few years later a hurricane came thru and rolled it into a ball. walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question > > Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several > years ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a > guy there that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I > was really anticipating this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during > the first half of the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really > shocked when the first thing he said was how awful of an airplane the > Pietenpol was to fly. He went on to say he had about an hour and a half > on it and it was the most terrifying flying he had ever done. He declared > that Pietenpols were very unstable and his ship would never fly again. > There were probably 40 EAAers or so at this meeting that were actively > soaking up all of his Pietenpol experiences. At the closing he felt that > building it was a good experience but for someone who wanted an airplane > to fly they had better pick another design. After the meeting, while > hanging around for a while, and being almost! > afraid to mention to anyone that I was building one of these beasts, I > heard his ship was in the hangar out back. I walked back to see it and > saw a ship built with many deviations from the plans that lead to many > other changes that lead to an airplane that was a builder's heartbreak > because it never had a chance to be a good flying airplane. Unfortunately > all of the EAAers in there probably left with the same impressions he had > on the Pietenpol. > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:54 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:37:12 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Good job you took the time to find out the real problem.Too bad for others who listen to people whom they think are authorities on a subject but are really only bad press because they failed the real test.Nothing new here,it'sbeen going on for centuries;flat world,can't go faster than 20 mph or we will fly apart etc.There will always be the nay sayers.Now go and build your Piet as per directions from the master,Bernard Pietenpol and enjoy a great aircraft! >From: "Don Emch" >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question >Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:28:05 -0800 > > >Just something to think about... I went to an EAA chapter meeting several >years ago about an hour or so away. I went because I heard there was a guy >there that built a Piet and was going to give a presentation on it. I was >really anticipating this and was anxiously awaiting his speech during the >first half of the meeting. Finally his turn came and I was really shocked >when the first thing he said was how awful of an airplane the Pietenpol was >to fly. He went on to say he had about an hour and a half on it and it was >the most terrifying flying he had ever done. He declared that Pietenpols >were very unstable and his ship would never fly again. There were probably >40 EAAers or so at this meeting that were actively soaking up all of his >Pietenpol experiences. At the closing he felt that building it was a good >experience but for someone who wanted an airplane to fly they had better >pick another design. After the meeting, while hanging around for a while, >and being almost! > afraid to mention to anyone that I was building one of these beasts, I >heard his ship was in the hangar out back. I walked back to see it and saw >a ship built with many deviations from the plans that lead to many other >changes that lead to an airplane that was a builder's heartbreak because it >never had a chance to be a good flying airplane. Unfortunately all of the >EAAers in there probably left with the same impressions he had on the >Pietenpol. > >Don Emch >NX899DE > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97149#97149 > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:01 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic,,,carrier landing. warthog maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7IaMc6dHPw walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:46 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > -- 8:14 PM -- 8:14 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:31 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Hello Peter, Glad to hear you are airborn again. How is the old Corvair running? Just currious if you have the 12 plate oil cooler or the 8 plate cooler. Dad just got all his parts for his corvair back from the machine shop. Hopefully we will have it back togeather by the time our runway thaws out and drys out. Shad > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:18 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Shad, I have just changed out an 8 plate to a 12 plate. I also added a bit more baffling but I think the major influence on the engine temps has been the re-pitching of the prop. I am not climbing uphill in top gear anymore! The engine is running and sounding sweet. I hope it all continues. Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Hello Peter, Glad to hear you are airborn again. How is the old Corvair running? Just currious if you have the 12 plate oil cooler or the 8 plate cooler. Dad just got all his parts for his corvair back from the machine shop. Hopefully we will have it back togeather by the time our runway thaws out and drys out. Shad > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > _____ Now that's room service! HYPERLINK "http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NT g5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--%0d%0a"Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- 8:14 PM -- 8:14 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question From: "Don Emch" Walt, the airplane was in Ohio and I never did hear much about it again. It's been probably 11 or 12 years since I attended that meeting. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97334#97334 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:40 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on 41CC Well, I guess since the Pietenpol Air Camper is such an antiquated, inadequate, unsafe, clumsy design- I shouldn't say this, but I just spent one of the most memorable days of my life flying one. Today marked one of the longest instructional flights in my logbook except for dual x-c's during my training days for my private... 2.5 hrs. dual, 16 landings logged in 41CC today. I can honestly say that it was one of the most challenging, but fun, instructional flights that are in my logbook. The airplane flies as honest and as pure as any airplane can possibly fly. There is nothing quirky about this Pietenpol Air Camper. Nothing. It takes off, climbs, cruises, stalls, descends, lands, turns, and does everything else exactly the way elementary flight instruction is taught and the way any pilot can expect a conventional, 3-axis airplane to fly. There are no surprises, no mysteries. The airplane requires that the pilot know how to fly, and that is all. We flew circuits at T86 to both ends of the runway (essentially zero wind), then blew out of the pattern to go fly stalls and Dutch rolls and let me see what the vertical velocity indicator showed at different airspeeds. That was cheating, because 41CC actually has two gyro instruments... a T&B and a VVI (I was taught that it was a VSI, but I guess all that changed somewhere along the line and now it has a new name). But none of that is necessary. Charlie sat up front and he could set the airplane up to demonstrate a maneuver at 70MPH, power and controls, then ask me what airspeed we were showing. 70MPH. Not a penny more nor less. You can fly this airplane without the instruments. Later, I swapped seats with Charlie and flew it from the front and did even better except that the toes of my boots kept hitting the fuel tank. But it's a blast to fly this airplane. We flew out to a ranch airstrip, not a whole lot more than gravel and dirt, and I actually did better at approaches and landings there than I did to the "big, real, paved runway" at Zapata. It was more fun that a guy should be allowed to have. I guess I'm signed off to fly the airplane, but before I bring it home I'm going up for one more session of dual. A circuit or three, a few touch and goes, then I'll head off on my first solo and x-c in it, to bring it back home. I hate to do it, Charlie loves the airplane so much and gives so many people rides in it. Last one was a 12-year-old that he flew over his family's ranch yesterday. That lad will never forget that flight, I can assure you. And Charlie flies another guy's Zenith 701 regularly (they use aircraft for herding and spotting cattle down here) and says the Piet is as good as, or better, at the job than the 701. Comparable short field performance, more comfortable loitering at cow-spotting altitude, more fun to fly. I'll take his word. Corky, you built a winner. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:13 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson wrote: > > vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans > Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Peter, > Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us > in > the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down > Under are in the heat of Summer. > Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV > walt evans > NX140DL > > do not archive > > "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" > Ben Franklin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter W Johnson" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet > flying > > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > > and > > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > > other > > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > > correct before use. > > > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high > but > > > I > > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > > else > > with the baffles. > > > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 1:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > 8:14 PM > > > -- > 8:14 PM > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:54 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Rick, This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any better way to do it!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson wrote: "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-serve r@matronics.com [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com" owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. "mailto:waltdak@verizon.net"waltdak@verizon.net> Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Pietenpol-List -- 3:16 PM -- 3:16 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.