---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/27/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:21 AM - Re: flying the front seat () 2. 06:44 AM - flying the front seat (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 10:37 AM - Model A received (HelsperSew@aol.com) 4. 11:46 AM - Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 5. 11:57 AM - Re: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 7. 12:19 PM - new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 8. 02:09 PM - Re: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers (gcardinal@comcast.net) 9. 02:23 PM - Re: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 10. 03:04 PM - Model A (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 11. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com) 12. 06:33 PM - Re: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL (gbowen@ptialaska.net) 13. 07:30 PM - Re: Flying again. (Catdesigns) 14. 07:55 PM - Re: Flying again. (Greg Chapman) 15. 09:51 PM - Re: Flying again. (Peter W Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:21:30 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: flying the front seat Just install a tube and a hole in the bottom of aircraft for fluid eggress while in flight.Then fly over the neighbours house that you don't like and let her go. do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:35 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: flying the front seat Dick wrote- >try a self inflating sleeping bag pad from a camping store. You roll it >over >a couple of times for the seat and leave the inflation valve at the top >behind your shoulder. Actually, I have one of those with my camping stuff. Interesting idea. >You will be able to walk much faster for the toilet after the >2 1/2 hr flight. Actually, I had no trouble staying in the airplane that long; it was pushing 80 degrees in Zapata on Sunday. I'm not kidding. And we just had a "dry line" pass through the day before, so if anything, I needed hydration and my "spent fuel tank" still had plenty of reserve capacity. I'll tell you what, though- it was shirtsleeves on the ground but when we got up to about 2500' to do stalls it was chilly! The windscreens work well to break the wind, but the air was just downright frisky. I can't imagine taking the airplane any higher without a jacket (all I had was a long sleeve flannel shirt). I guess I should have reached up into the overhead compartment, pushed aside my laptop and carry-on bag, and grabbed my jacket ;o) Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:10 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A received Hi Pieters, I just picked up my Model A rebuild from Antique Engine Rebuilders of Skokie IL. Rich the owner is a good guy and easy to work with. I bought a run-out on Ebay last summer for $100.00. This turned out to be a good find because it was a "diamond" block. It is identified by a small diamond shaped casting mark on the valve cover side of the block. I was told it signified that it was made after the main production runs for the "A's" was over, and improved in some ways. Drove up and picked it up in Blue River WI. $2700.00 bought me new pistons and rods, modern insert bearings, oversize intake valves, and counter-weighted crankshaft. The counter-weighted crankshaft was recommended to me by Ken Perkins. He says you need it for a "good strong" engine. Now I will build it up with an aluminum 8 plug head and dual mags. I got the dual mag drive set-up from Ken. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Guys, In looking at the google maps (satellite view) of Clow Airport near Chicago I noticed that the old restaurant and big hangar are gone that were there last time I landed there. Looks like a new shopping center was built on the east side of the airport. Does anyone know if the restaurant was relocated to one of the newer structures on the airport ? Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:57:40 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL Mike, Our EAA chapter flew in to Clow summer of '05 to eat in their brand new restaurant in one of the new buildings. Good Eat'n! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:19 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Wow, that was FAST ! Thanks for that good news, Dan as I remember freezing on the way past Clow one year and landing to get some hot soup and a sandwich at the old restaurant. Good to hear they kept the restaurant on the airport. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:57 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL Mike, Our EAA chapter flew in to Clow summer of '05 to eat in their brand new restaurant in one of the new buildings. Good Eat'n! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL do not archive ________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more 326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com" l ?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom" target="_blank">AOL.com. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER * $11,200 * FOR SALE * finished in 1999, Metal fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request. Marvin * Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA * Telephone: 937 845-0981 * Posted February 26, 2007 * http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:50 PM PST US From: gcardinal@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers Finished 8 years ago and only 2 - 3 test hours flown???????? Mike, do you know any more about the plane? Greg C. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER $11,200 FOR SALE finished in 1999, Metal fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request. Marvin Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA Telephone: 937 845-0981 Posted February 26, 2007 http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php
Finished 8 years ago and only 2 - 3 test hours flown????????
Mike, do you know any more about the plane?
 
Greg C.
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>


PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER $11,200 FOR SALE finished in 1999, Metal fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request. Marvin Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA Telephone: 937 845-0981 Posted February 26, 2007

 
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:35 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Greg-- I've never heard of this one. Maybe someone on the list will know more. It sounds like there must be more to the story here. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gcardinal@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:09 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new posting--- Pietenpol for Sale on Barnstormers Finished 8 years ago and only 2 - 3 test hours flown???????? Mike, do you know any more about the plane? Greg C. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" PIETENPOL AIRCAMPER * $11,200 * FOR SALE * finished in 1999, Metal fuselage w/side doors, Poly-fiber covering (red and cream) 95 hp Corvair engine, Warp drive prop, no starter, 2- 3 Test hours flown off. Good running and looking plane. Have to see to appreciate. Not in annual. Photos on request. Marvin * Contact Marvin Grout - located New Carlisle, OH USA * Telephone: 937 845-0981 * Posted February 26, 2007 * http://www.barnstormers.com/index.php ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:04 PM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A Dan: I bought an already converted A, but the builder didn't put hardened seats under the valves for no lead fuel, so I am going to go into it and have that done. Also I want the insert bearings. Did you have hardened seats installed? It's been a couple of years since I talked to Ken about counter balanced crank. At that time he said it was not needed for our low rpm range.. What caused him to change his mind? Did you get the weld on counter balances? Did the builder have a cow when you told him it was for an airplane, or did you keep that a secret? What was your total cost from the builder? You don't have to answer that if you don't want to. Leon S. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:06 PM PST US From: "GlennThomas@flyingwood.com" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question Sure! All I have to do is finish it (which may extend beyond the lifespan of the more critical types in the chapter). I try to make regular progress and work on it at least 3 times a week but have a new appreciation for the amount of work this is (as well as respect for all you folks that have finished, and even more for a few that have built more than 1 plane. This takes serious project management skills.) I'm hoping that the wing ribs I'm almost done with will become a wing in less time than it took to make them; the reading, studying plans and learning has taken a lot of time and I'd probably be able to repeat what I've done in less time if I did it again (and I hope I can). Glenn W. Thomas Storrs, CT http://www.flyingwood.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clif Dawson" Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Possibly (Probably) Dumb Question > > And then take it up to that EAA field and show it off! > Give rides too. > > Clif > > >> > There will always be the nay sayers.Now go and >> build your Piet as per directions from the master,Bernard Pietenpol and >> enjoy a great aircraft! >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:40 PM PST US From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL Haven't heard about Clow in many years, glad to hear it's still an airport instead of some strip mall or housing development. Flew out of Clow back in '72 with my first plane a Piper Colt, living in Naperville. Don't remember a restaurant but do remember Clow having a nasty almost constant X-wind of about 30 kts, was always thankful the ole Colt sunk like a rock and stuck like glue. Hate to try Piete on a bad x-wind day at Clow. Gordon Bowen Original Message: ----------------- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL Wow, that was FAST ! Thanks for that good news, Dan as I remember freezing on the way past Clow one year and landing to get some hot soup and a sandwich at the old restaurant. Good to hear they kept the restaurant on the airport. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HelsperSew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 2:57 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Clow Airport Restaurant ? Naperville, IL Mike, Our EAA chapter flew in to Clow summer of '05 to eat in their brand new restaurant in one of the new buildings. Good Eat'n! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL do not archive ________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more 326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com" l ?redir=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom" target="_blank">AOL.com. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft Windows and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:27 PM PST US From: "Catdesigns" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Rick, This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any better way to do it!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson wrote: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:17 PM PST US From: Greg Chapman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. It's canted to the right, of course, to counter the counter-clockwise tendencies. Greg Catdesigns wrote: > Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Peter W Johnson > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM > *Subject:* RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > Rick, > > > > This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there > any better way to do it!!!! > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:53 PM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when taxiing. Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. So far the steering has been more positive. I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. Cheers Peter. Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"Peter W Johnson "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Rick, This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any better way to do it!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-serve r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson wrote: "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-serve r@matronics.com [mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com" owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. "mailto:waltdak@verizon.net"waltdak@verizon.net> Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" "mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- 3:24 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.