Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/28/07


Total Messages Posted: 37



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     1. 12:52 AM - Pietenpol on History television (Shawn Wolk)
     2. 04:14 AM - Re: Flying again. ()
     3. 05:32 AM - Re: Model A (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     4. 05:44 AM - over complicating the process? (amsafetyc@aol.com)
     5. 07:21 AM - Re: Flying again. (Steve Eldredge)
     6. 07:53 AM - Prop question (Woodflier@aol.com)
     7. 08:16 AM - Re: Prop question (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
     8. 08:16 AM - Re: Prop question (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
     9. 08:19 AM - Re: over complicating the process? (Catdesigns)
    10. 08:52 AM - Pietenpol Landing gear??? (Dave Abramson)
    11. 09:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol Landing gear??? (Catdesigns)
    12. 09:45 AM - new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers (Skip-Cinda Gadd)
    13. 09:45 AM - Re: Flying again. (Rob Stapleton)
    14. 09:57 AM - Re: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers (Rob Stapleton)
    15. 10:26 AM - Re: Flying again. ()
    16. 11:16 AM - Newbie Questions (skellytownflyer)
    17. 11:23 AM - Re: Newbie Questions (HelsperSew@aol.com)
    18. 11:27 AM - Re: Newbie Questions (pietn38b@aol.com)
    19. 11:37 AM - Re: Newbie Questions (DJ Vegh)
    20. 11:55 AM - Re: Newbie Questions ()
    21. 12:07 PM - DJ's project going to Raymond (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    22. 12:26 PM - Re: DJ's project going to Raymond (DJ Vegh)
    23. 12:27 PM - CA EAA Pietenpol update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    24. 01:00 PM - Re: DJ's project going to Raymond (skellytownflyer)
    25. 01:22 PM - crosswinds and Piets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
    26. 01:46 PM - Test flight after rebuild (Jeff Boatright)
    27. 01:53 PM - Re: Newbie Questions (Steve Singleton)
    28. 03:50 PM - Re: Prop question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
    29. 03:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol Landing gear??? (gcardinal)
    30. 04:02 PM - Re: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers (gcardinal)
    31. 04:52 PM - Re: crosswinds and Piets (Phillips, Jack)
    32. 05:39 PM - Re: CA EAA Pietenpol update (Kirk, Bruce)
    33. 05:39 PM - tailwheel (Dick Navratil)
    34. 05:54 PM - Re: crosswinds and Piets (John Hofmann)
    35. 06:14 PM - scimitar propellers (Oscar Zuniga)
    36. 06:34 PM - Spar options (Catdesigns)
    37. 08:37 PM - Re: Flying again. (Peter W Johnson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:52:29 AM PST US
    From: "Shawn Wolk" <shawnwolk@can.rogers.com>
    Subject: Pietenpol on History television
    As a follow-up on the use of C-FRAZ in a documentary on the Battle of Vimy Ridge. It airs on the Canadian History Television on Monday March 26th at 8PM EST. Here is the info from the website link. http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=103246 They took 3 1/2 hours of film of the Piet flying. It should be interesting to see how much of it makes the film. It was a fun and unique experience anyway. Vimy Ridge: Heaven to Hell April 9, 2007 is the 90th anniversary of one of the most extraordinary events in Canadian history: the Battle of Vimy Ridge, a turning point in the First World War and a coming of age for Canada. It is also the single greatest military achievement in Canada's history. The victory was won by troops from every region of the country and every ethnicity: It helped establish a feeling of nationhood in a country that was only fifty years old-a country that still was more British Dominion than independent nation. The Canadian success at Vimy was the product of a bold and imaginative strategy in which Canadian commanders employed a three dimensional approach to the planning and execution of the battle: Vimy was fought brilliantly on the ground, in the air and under the ground. It was a battle in three dimensions. In Vimy Ridge: Heaven to Hell, viewers will be on the ground with the Canadian Corps through a battlefield archaeological excavation. Found objects are subject to analysis-each one allowed to tell its own unique story; to reveal the untold personal experiences of Canadian ground troops and their enemies.


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    Time: 04:14:59 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Flying again.
    On the last picture;is it possible to get a pic of how it connects inside and where it goes into the aircraft ?Thanks. >From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:50:44 +1100 > >Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This >turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like >falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of >spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the >original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler >installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main >wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra >braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when >taxiing. > > >Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. > > >So far the steering has been more positive. > > >I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. > > >Cheers > > >Peter. > >Wonthaggi Australia > >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns >Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: HYPERLINK "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"Peter W Johnson > >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Rick, > > >This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any >better way to do it!!!! > > >Cheers > > >Peter > >Wonthaggi Australia >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > _____ > > >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-serve >r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf >Of Rick Holland >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter > >Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? > (you know, like the toilet thing?). > >Rick > >On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson <HYPERLINK >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > >Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! > >Cheers > >Peter >Wonthaggi Australia >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-serve >r@matronics.com >[mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com" >owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > >"mailto:waltdak@verizon.net"waltdak@verizon.net> > >Peter, >Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in >the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down >Under are in the heat of Summer. >Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV >walt evans >NX140DL > >do not archive > >"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >Ben Franklin >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter W Johnson" <HYPERLINK >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > >To: <HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > > <HYPERLINK "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet >flying > > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > > and > > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > > other > > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > > correct before use. > > > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high >but > > > I > > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > > else > > with the baffles. > > > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 1:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > >-- > > >3:24 PM > > ><< IMG_0488_JPG_thumb.jpg >> ><< IMG_0470_thumb.jpg >>


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    Time: 05:32:39 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Model A
    Leon, Yes I got the hardened seats installed for all valves. Quoting an email from Ken Perkins from 12/5/06, "For a good strong engine you need inserts in rods and mains and a counter balanced crank shaft. The #2 and "#3 rods are on one side of center main bearing. Over 1900 RPM crankshaft whips center main babbit out". I did get the welded-on counterweights. Rich from AER took care of that for me. He was familiar with the Piet because he has done engines for other Pieter's and is very helpful in this area. He even drilled and tapped a hole in the casting that was shown on the plans. That was his idea too. He has a set of Piet plans himself. The total bill from him was $2,700.00. That included the cost of the counter-weighted crank that he got for me. New rods, insert bearings, valve seat inserts, pistons, and head gasket. I have not run the engine, but by all accounts he has a great reputation. He works himself and one helper. Here is his website. _www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com_ (http://www.antiqueenginerebuilding.com) The engine looks very good to me. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 05:44:49 AM PST US
    Subject: over complicating the process?
    From: amsafetyc@aol.com
    Gentlemen, learned builders Over the past couple of weeks I have been gluing sticks together and have come up with 2 sides of the long fuse. I am now doing the layout on my bench to join them, slightly wider than design for obvious reasons. The location of the lateral pieces used to join the 2 sides in the standard design are well located and identified in the drawing, however those dimensions change in the longer fuse, I assume? The location of the laterals are not apparent or readily identifiable in the long fuse drawings as to their location and placement. In my endeavors for accuracy, I took a shot at scaling the long fuse drawings and found it to be 1 inch actual on the drawing is equal to 12.096 inches in scale. Not very helpful and not a readily available scaling system for me to use. I am certain I am over complicating this and am looking for guidance in this issue and future scaling issues with this project as I suspect this in not the only area that will have to be addressed. What is everyone else using to scale the location of the lateral members, or is there something I am missing in locating the placement of those laterals to join the sides. The long fuse plans leave much to be desired. Do I locate the laterals at the same location as those detailed in the standard version fuse? Much confusion here on this issue, any and all advise in locating the laterals is appreciated. Thanks John ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.


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    Time: 07:21:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Flying again.
    From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
    Hi Peter, what kind of tailwheel is that? I've never seen one like that before. Steve E From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when taxiing. Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. So far the steering has been more positive. I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. Cheers Peter. Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/> ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W Johnson <mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Rick, This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any better way to do it!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> ] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. <waltdak@verizon.net> Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM -- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM


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    Time: 07:53:44 AM PST US
    From: Woodflier@aol.com
    Subject: Prop question
    Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay for $500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any actual flight experience with them. Matt Paxton ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 08:16:59 AM PST US
    From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Prop question
    Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and walnut laminates from Jay. It harnesses the 108hp Lyco quite nicely, lots of thrust and after 30 hrs of grass and paved take-off/landing the polyurethane end coatings he puts on holds up well. Jay has gotten kinda busy in last couple years and has extended his lead times. If you order from him get a fixed delivery time, even if you don't need the prop yet, and then start calling about delivery 2 weeks before schedule and thereafter weekly to insure you don't slip down on the priority of del list. My prop was 4 weeks late but worth every penny paid. Gordon Original Message: ----------------- From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop question Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay for $500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any actual flight experience with them. Matt Paxton ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web


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    Time: 08:16:59 AM PST US
    From: "gbowen@ptialaska.net" <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
    Subject: Prop question
    Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and walnut laminates from Jay. It harnesses the 108hp Lyco quite nicely, lots of thrust and after 30 hrs of grass and paved take-off/landing the polyurethane end coatings he puts on holds up well. Jay has gotten kinda busy in last couple years and has extended his lead times. If you order from him get a fixed delivery time, even if you don't need the prop yet, and then start calling about delivery 2 weeks before schedule and thereafter weekly to insure you don't slip down on the priority of del list. My prop was 4 weeks late but worth every penny paid. Gordon Original Message: ----------------- From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Prop question Has anyone on the list bought a prop from a guy named Jay Anderson, who's company goes by the name CloudCars. He is advertising wood props on eBay for $500. They look good in the photos but I was curious if anyone had any actual flight experience with them. Matt Paxton ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web


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    Time: 08:19:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: over complicating the process?
    From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
    John, Placement of the laterals on the long fuselage follows the same principal as on the shorter fuselage drawing. Look at the fuselage drawings on sheet Drawing No. 1. Here you can see the where the lateral will be located in relation to the vertical uprights. Now turn back to the supplemental plans for the long fuselage. Locate lateral supports at the equivalent vertical NOT at the dimensions shown on Drawing No. 1. Dont worry about trying to figure out the exact dimensions on the plans. A few, off the top of my head, need to be spaced properly. Such as the landing gear braces and the brace for the bottom of the seat (its location is shown on the supplemental drawings). As you build you need to remember that the plans show where everything needs to be, but the dimensions might not work for your particular project. Dont be afraid to adjust noncritical dimensions (and youll get a feel for what these are) to make the part do the job it needs to do. Chris -------- Chris Tracy WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97881#97881


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    Time: 08:52:22 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: Pietenpol Landing gear???
    Hello Everyone! Quick landing gear question... I am building a "Straight axel" landing gear.. Was wondering what most people are using for the outer tube diameter? I have written down wall thickness.( I heard .188, Mike Cuy I think you said you are using .200 wall) I think the plans call for 1 ?" O.D. or 1 ?" O.D. I was planning to use 1 ?" or 2" Dia tube.. Thanks in advance for any replys... Best Regards, Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 09:29:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Landing gear???
    From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Im working on my wood gear right now. The plans show the inside dimension of the collars to be 1.5-inch. Therefore, your axel should have a 1.5-inch outside diameter. I'm using 1.5 x 0.188. Chris -------- Chris Tracy WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97896#97896 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gear_153.jpg


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    Time: 09:45:24 AM PST US
    From: "Skip-Cinda Gadd" <csfog@earthlink.net>
    Subject: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
    Hi Greg, I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin, he said Ted Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew great". I forget how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol Corvair, has blower fan and no starter. He said he has not flown it because it scared his wife too much. Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I would not have offered 11k. I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the starter issue, Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's. I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want. Skip


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    Time: 09:45:52 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
    Subject: Flying again.
    The images that Peter attached are quite telling. I also have this spring type tail wheel and want to modify it. Is that the same tail wheel as in the original or did you swap it for a different type? Rob www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net <http://www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net/> -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:51 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when taxiing. Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. So far the steering has been more positive. I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. Cheers Peter. Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/> _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter W <mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Rick, This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any better way to do it!!!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? (you know, like the toilet thing?). Rick On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. Peter, Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down Under are in the heat of Summer. Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV walt evans NX140DL do not archive "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > Hi Guys, > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet flying > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > and > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > other > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > correct before use. > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high but > I > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > else > with the baffles. > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > Cheers > > Peter > Wonthaggi Australia > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > -- > 1:26 PM > > > "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM -- 25/02/2007 3:16 PM href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com -- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM -- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM


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    Time: 09:57:32 AM PST US
    From: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net>
    Subject: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
    Skip, Could you send me some more images of this plane? Or direct me to a site where I could look at images of it? I am building a Corvair powered long fuselage and am interested in the cowling set up. Also the engine appears to be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling for? Rob foto@alaska.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Skip-Cinda Gadd Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers Hi Greg, I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin, he said Ted Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew great". I forget how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol Corvair, has blower fan and no starter. He said he has not flown it because it scared his wife too much. Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I would not have offered 11k. I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the starter issue, Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's. I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want. Skip


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    Time: 10:26:35 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Flying again.
    I have the same tail wheel setup as the last picture with the butterfly bracket .I wish to install the springs with cables going back to what I believe is the rudders.I would like to see a picture of where it goes into the fuzy and how it connects to the rudders.I originall had another butterfly bracket that I connected to the underside of the rudder but I felt there would be too much strain at this point on the rudder for this set up and took it off. >From: "Rob Stapleton" <foto@alaska.net> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:45:39 -0900 > >The images that Peter attached are quite telling. I also have this spring >type tail wheel and want to modify it. Is that the same tail wheel as in >the >original or did you swap it for a different type? > >Rob > >www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net <http://www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net/> > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W >Johnson >Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 8:51 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This >turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like >falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of >spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the >original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler >installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main >wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra >braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when >taxiing. > > >Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. > > >So far the steering has been more positive. > > >I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. > > >Cheers > > >Peter. > >Wonthaggi Australia > >http://www.cpc-world.com <http://www.cpc-world.com/> > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns >Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Peter W <mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> Johnson > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Rick, > > >This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any >better way to do it!!!! > > >Cheers > > >Peter > >Wonthaggi Australia >http://www.cpc-world.com > > > _____ > > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick >Holland >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter > >Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? > (you know, like the toilet thing?). > >Rick > >On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > >Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! > >Cheers > >Peter >Wonthaggi Australia >http://www.cpc-world.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto: <mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com> >owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter, >Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in >the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down >Under are in the heat of Summer. >Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV >walt evans >NX140DL > >do not archive > >"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >Ben Franklin >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > > <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet >flying > > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > > and > > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > > other > > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > > correct before use. > > > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high >but > > > I > > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > > else > > with the baffles. > > > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 1:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >http://forums.matronics.com > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > >-- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM -- Date: 27/02/2007 3:24 PM


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    Time: 11:16:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Newbie Questions
    From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
    Well my name is Raymond Hanover-I'm trying to get into the loop on Pietenpol / Grega technology.from my experiences on the flychallenger site a few years ago I know that every so often the same bunch of questions get asked by the constant turnover of folks.I am trying to sell the Challenger and get a real conventional gear 4 stroke Airplane so the Piet has allways been a favorite.but anyway I would like to correspond with someone in the Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico area if possible about them without loading the list up with the same old stuff everybody is probably tired of seeing.I live northeast of Amarillo.fly and old 57 Tri-pacer most of the time.E-mail address is hanover@centramedia.net if anyone wants to give me the benefit of their experiences with Corvair Piets or GN-1s ( I realize there is a difference and some folks do not like them confused) thanks for any help.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97939#97939


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    Time: 11:23:16 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
    Raymond, I wouldn't worry about "loading up the list" with the "same old" questions. There are always a whole bunch of new builders at any point in time that need help, and it has been my experience that Pieter's are always eager to help the next guy finish this really cool design. Ask away! Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 11:27:44 AM PST US
    From: pietn38b@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
    Raymond Glad to talk with you. I live just north of Tulsa and have a corvair powered Piet. My address is: _pietn38b@aol.com_ (mailto:pietn38b@aol.com) . Jim <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 11:37:23 AM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
    Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
    Welcome Raymond! You'll find this email list to be quite friendly and very helpful. The archives are packed full of information as well. I've been posting here since day one of my GN-1 project so you'll be able to go back and review it all from there. For the rest of you..... Raymond and I came to an agreement last week and he will be purchasing my GN-1. It's bittersweet for me as I really do not want to sell. I have countless hours involved in the project and it means alot to me but with an 18yr waiting list for a hangar out here and me being only in the 11th year I just cant stand to let the project sit another 7 years. So... for now I will fly my Tcraft and look towards starting another project next year. An aluminum one that can be parked outside on the ramp.... yes I said aluminum... don't hate me fellas. ;) DJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Questions <hanover@centramedia.net> > > Well my name is Raymond Hanover-I'm trying to get into the loop on Pietenpol / Grega technology.from my experiences on the flychallenger site a few years ago I know that every so often the same bunch of questions get asked by the constant turnover of folks.I am trying to sell the Challenger and get a real conventional gear 4 stroke Airplane so the Piet has allways been a favorite.but anyway I would like to correspond with someone in the Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico area if possible about them without loading the list up with the same old stuff everybody is probably tired of seeing.I live northeast of Amarillo.fly and old 57 Tri-pacer most of the time.E-mail address is hanover@centramedia.net if anyone wants to give me the benefit of their experiences with Corvair Piets or GN-1s ( I realize there is a difference and some folks do not like them confused) thanks for any help.Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97939#97939 > >


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    Time: 11:55:39 AM PST US
    From: <harvey.rule@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
    Why not make an aluminum Piet,eh! do not archive >From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Questions >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:32:23 -0700 > > >Welcome Raymond! > >You'll find this email list to be quite friendly and very helpful. The >archives are packed full of information as well. I've been posting here >since day one of my GN-1 project so you'll be able to go back and review it >all from there. > >For the rest of you..... Raymond and I came to an agreement last week and >he will be purchasing my GN-1. It's bittersweet for me as I really do not >want to sell. I have countless hours involved in the project and it means >alot to me but with an 18yr waiting list for a hangar out here and me being >only in the 11th year I just cant stand to let the project sit another 7 >years. > >So... for now I will fly my Tcraft and look towards starting another >project >next year. An aluminum one that can be parked outside on the ramp.... yes >I said aluminum... don't hate me fellas. ;) > >DJ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:15 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Newbie Questions > > ><hanover@centramedia.net> > > > > Well my name is Raymond Hanover-I'm trying to get into the loop on >Pietenpol / Grega technology.from my experiences on the flychallenger site >a >few years ago I know that every so often the same bunch of questions get >asked by the constant turnover of folks.I am trying to sell the Challenger >and get a real conventional gear 4 stroke Airplane so the Piet has allways >been a favorite.but anyway I would like to correspond with someone in the >Texas/Oklahoma/New Mexico area if possible about them without loading the >list up with the same old stuff everybody is probably tired of seeing.I >live >northeast of Amarillo.fly and old 57 Tri-pacer most of the time.E-mail >address is hanover@centramedia.net if anyone wants to give me the benefit >of >their experiences with Corvair Piets or GN-1s ( I realize there is a >difference and some folks do not like them confused) thanks for any >help.Raymond > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97939#97939 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:07:50 PM PST US
    Subject: DJ's project going to Raymond
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Welcome to the list, Raymond and you are getting a 1st class project/airplane from DJ. His workmanship is nothing short of outstanding and I hope that you will be able to continue where he left off and finish it up and get it flying. I can't imagine the 11 year (now 18 for new folks) wait for hangar space, DJ ? Just incredible. You'd think that somehow, somewhere, someone would be able to invest in and build new hangars at whatever airports you have around you.....but perhaps not. Mike C. 65 hp Piet, Ohio do not archive


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    Time: 12:26:42 PM PST US
    From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
    Subject: Re: DJ's project going to Raymond
    <You'd think that somehow, somewhere, someone would be able to invest in and build new hangars at whatever airports you have around you.....but perhaps not. > There is alot of land available on the airports here, but the cities that own the land know that they will get much more money offering the land to corporate and industrial business (in tax revenue) than by building hangars and leasing them to GA pilots. So we're seeing the last bit of land left on our airports being gobbled up by industry and business offices..... next they will complain about the "noisy" airplanes and before you know it the airports will be nothing but businessplexes. sigh.......


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    Time: 12:27:20 PM PST US
    Subject: CA EAA Pietenpol update
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    ________________________________ From: ThePhoebusC@aol.com [mailto:ThePhoebusC@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:37 PM To: w6bcq@earthlink.net; Ohartphyl@aol.com; Mcpheespikes@aol.com; John@jshablow.com; ghaugh@cliniqa.com; dave@fishertel.com; jim.pyle@sbcglobal.net; david.ms@comcast.net; ThePhoebusC@aol.com; dynmar2@hyperbar.com; DWinsett@verizon.net; Ronwhull@aol.com; wd6auy@coastinet.com; cbr@cbrbearing.com; Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]; kjcraig@earthlink.net; whinman@hotmail.com; hannanken@yahoo.com; rlcub@verizon.net; awilliamson@emc.org Subject: Pietenpol Update Dear Members, So much of the work that we have been doing on our Pietenpol project over the past year has not rendered much in the way of visible progress. Consider, for example, the control surface hinges. 36 individual pieces. Each piece cut, drilled, countersunk, ground, bent and welded. And when it's done, it's no bigger than the tip of your finger. And once it's installed, you don't even notice it. Yet, once the hinges and attach fittings for the tail are completed, you can attach the tail and control surfaces to the fuselage and suddenly it begins to look like an airplane. That's when you begin to see some visible progress. We find ourselves in a similar place today. Three different volunteers over the past year have taken on the challenge of building the wooden landing gear legs. The compound angles involved coupled with a bend in the fuselage belly that is unique to this particular Pietenpol fuselage frustrated one volunteer after another. In addition to that, the legs and metal fittings seemed to have a mysterious quality to them. We'd get one part fabricated and fitting just right, then make the next part and it wouldn't fit. Try changing something on the second part to make it fit and, all of a sudden, the first part didn't fit any more. And so it went. Back and forth, back and forth. Nothing seemed to fit right until everything fit right. The months just kept ticking away with the fuselage upside down and no real progress being obvious to the casual observer. In the meantime, Dave McPhee was making steady progress on our wing center section. I completely finished the tail surfaces, fittings and control horns and moved onto the fabricating of the control system parts. We ordered and laced up our wire wheels and mounted the tires. Art Froehlich worked on designing a brake system for the airplane. We were making tremendous progress. None of it particularly visible to the occasional visitor. FINALLY, I am happy to report that the landing gear fittings are all finished and powder coated. The landing gear legs are finished and varnished. And gorgeous they are to look at. Quoting Art Froehlich, "They look store bought!" It seems that patience and attention to detail has paid off. We had an excellent turnout at Saturday morning's workshop. Dave McPhee, Dave Winsett, and Wendy Hinman worked together to position and glue in place the plywood underside of the wing center section. That pretty much makes the center section ready for varnish. Meanwhile Art Froehlich and I attached the landing gear fittings to the fuselage and assembled the gear legs and spreader bars. By the end of the morning we were so excited to see it assembled that we could not resist securing an axle with some temporary bungies, slipping the wheels on, and rolling it out of the hangar (see photos below). Finally, we can see some visible progress again. With the tail and control surfaces finished, the control system fabricated and ready for installation, the wing center section nearly finished, and the undercarriage needing only the axle to be completed, I think that we will all see some very visible progress in the next six weeks. We have finally cleared some tremendous hurdles. It will be very exciting to see things really coming together soon. Dave Winsett has constructed a sixteen foot long table in his home workshop and is ready to start work on our wing spares. He has done some research on the construction of box spars and thinks that this is the way to go. The main considerations are weight, strength, and cost. In every category the box spar seems to be the better choice than either the plank spar or the routed spar. Of course, the box spar will be a lot more work to build. Fortunately, he doesn't charge much for his labor. Visitors are always welcome at our Saturday morning workshops. So whether you want to get involved and try your hand at making some parts or you just want to see for yourself how things are coming along, you will always find some activity going on between 8am and noon Saturday mornings. Of course, donations of labor, material, or money are always welcome also. Involvement is voluntary, but oh so rewarding. Why not come join us. See you there. Steve Williamson, Pres. 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    Time: 01:00:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: DJ's project going to Raymond
    From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
    You are right-it is a beautiful plane and workmanship is fantastic.I am sure glad I looked at it.And I hope to be able to do a nice job of finishing it.The wind is gusting to 45 here today and it would'nt be a piet flying day even if it was ready,but I'll sure be anxious to see how they fly.i expect the crosswind capabilities are a little lower than my old Tri-pacer,but with the Cub gear under it-hopefully there is enough aileron authority to handle some.I fly from a dirt North-south strip and it is interesting when the wind is out of the west blowing between the trees and a few houses that are just off the runway,but there are real airports 15 miles east and west from me if it gets too bad.Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=97979#97979


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    Time: 01:22:02 PM PST US
    Subject: crosswinds and Piets
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Raymond, I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust conditions and though it is no fun and you are churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a very good ability to stick with it if the pilot does. I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really takes all the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from Brodhead in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted ! Mike C.


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    Time: 01:46:52 PM PST US
    From: Jeff Boatright <jboatri@emory.edu>
    Subject: Test flight after rebuild
    Pieters, We test flew the Piet with the rebuilt engine yesterday. All went well. Flew about 30 mins and tested carb heat (50+ rpm drop) and max rpm (2525 or better). The climb is noticeably better and the sound is much louder, deeper, and "growlier" than before. The sound was really cool when he banked hard right over the field - sounded like a little fighter. Of course, the only thing a Piet could shoot down is a roll of toilet paper... Most important -- still no hissing when the prop is pulled through!! A short version video of this flight is at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMbV3VSKmzA If you just can't get enough of Piets, a long version video of this flight is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8-Hkq6l_w0 As with all youtube videos, to get a better quality video, click the left-most of the two video sizing buttons that are below the video window on the right. If you want the complete story of why the engine had to be torn down and reassembled, go to: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jboatri/magicbus/engine_teardown.htm and then: http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~jboatri/magicbus/rebuild1.html -- __________________________________________ Jeff Boatright '65 Sprite MkIII ___o_\___ _____________________________ '76 Pietenpol Air Camper \ o / =[:] / \ O O


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    Time: 01:53:46 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Singleton" <slsingleton@cvalley.net>
    Subject: Re: Newbie Questions
    Jim-do happen to have the grass strip on the east side of the road(169) just north of Tulsa. Steve Singleton


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    Time: 03:50:14 PM PST US
    From: Rcaprd@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Prop question
    In a message dated 2/28/2007 10:18:39 AM Central Standard Time, gbowen@ptialaska.net writes: Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and walnut laminates from Jay. Gordon, When you say 'Scimitar Shaped', do you mean an actual Scimitar prop, or a Semi-Scimitar ?? The way Eric Clutton describes a Scimitar prop, is that the radius of the swept back blades, is the same as the radius of the prop. It's a Very noticeable swept back blade. I've not heard much from anyone that has an actual Scimitar prop, and have been planning on building one for quite a while now. Do you know if Jay uses the plans called out in Eric Clutton's book ? The way he calls out the plank orientation is also unconventional, in that there are 3/16" to 1/4" laminates, and they lay parallel to the line of flight. I'm very interested in anyone who has flight tested a True Scimitar Prop. Chuck G. NX770CG


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    Time: 03:55:39 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol Landing gear???
    NX18235 uses 1 1/2" X .120 4130 tubing for the axle. After 80 hours of abuse it is still straight. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Abramson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Landing gear??? Hello Everyone! Quick landing gear question... I am building a "Straight axel" landing gear.. Was wondering what most people are using for the outer tube diameter? I have written down wall thickness.( I heard .188, Mike Cuy I think you said you are using .200 wall) I think the plans call for 1 =BD" O.D. or 1 =BE" O.D. I was planning to use 1 =BE" or 2" Dia tube.. Thanks in advance for any replys... Best Regards, Dave ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - --> http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 04:02:31 PM PST US
    From: "gcardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
    Thanks, Skip. I commented because an 8 year old plane with only 2 - 3 hours of test flight time on it is a MAJOR red flag. On the other hand, it could be a really sweet deal....... Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip-Cinda Gadd To: pietenpol-list Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: new listing-- Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers Hi Greg, I saw this plane last summer. It looked real good. Talked to Marvin, he said Ted Davis "came down and did the test flying and said it flew great". I forget how much it weighers. It has a Bernard Pietenpol Corvair, has blower fan and no starter. He said he has not flown it because it scared his wife too much. Marvin did not want to talk price and told me to make him an offer, I would not have offered 11k. I shied away from it because the test time has not been flown and the starter issue, Corvairs do not hand prop as easy as A65's. I have a couple more pictures, I can send off-list if you want. Skip


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    Time: 04:52:21 PM PST US
    Subject: crosswinds and Piets
    From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
    I remember that day well, Mike. I was flying from Brodhead to Oshkosh and landed at Oshkosh in a 25 knot almost direct crosswind. Not pretty but I was happy with it. Jack Phillips NX899JP -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: crosswinds and Piets Raymond, I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust conditions and though it is no fun and you are churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a very good ability to stick with it if the pilot does. I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really takes all the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from Brodhead in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted ! Mike C. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N


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    Time: 05:39:00 PM PST US
    From: "Kirk, Bruce" <bkirk@yccd.edu>
    Subject: Re: CA EAA Pietenpol update
    On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:26:14 -0600 "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > > Hi everyone! I read with great interest the paragraph that your spars are of the Box variety. Are there any drawings of how to proceed in doing this. Thanks so much Bruce Kirk bkirk@yccd.edu > > ________________________________ > > From: ThePhoebusC@aol.com [mailto:ThePhoebusC@aol.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:37 PM > To: w6bcq@earthlink.net; Ohartphyl@aol.com; > Mcpheespikes@aol.com; John@jshablow.com; >ghaugh@cliniqa.com; > dave@fishertel.com; jim.pyle@sbcglobal.net; >david.ms@comcast.net; > ThePhoebusC@aol.com; dynmar2@hyperbar.com; >DWinsett@verizon.net; > Ronwhull@aol.com; wd6auy@coastinet.com; >cbr@cbrbearing.com; Cuy, Michael > D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]; kjcraig@earthlink.net; >whinman@hotmail.com; > hannanken@yahoo.com; rlcub@verizon.net; >awilliamson@emc.org > Subject: Pietenpol Update > > > > Dear Members, > > So much of the work that we have been doing on our >Pietenpol > project over the past year has not rendered much in the >way of visible > progress. Consider, for example, the control surface >hinges. 36 > individual pieces. Each piece cut, drilled, >countersunk, ground, bent > and welded. And when it's done, it's no bigger than the >tip of your > finger. And once it's installed, you don't even notice >it. Yet, once > the hinges and attach fittings for the tail are >completed, you can > attach the tail and control surfaces to the fuselage and >suddenly it > begins to look like an airplane. That's when you begin >to see some > visible progress. > We find ourselves in a similar place today. Three >different > volunteers over the past year have taken on the >challenge of building > the wooden landing gear legs. The compound angles >involved coupled with > a bend in the fuselage belly that is unique to this >particular Pietenpol > fuselage frustrated one volunteer after another. In >addition to that, > the legs and metal fittings seemed to have a mysterious >quality to them. > We'd get one part fabricated and fitting just right, >then make the next > part and it wouldn't fit. Try changing something on the >second part to > make it fit and, all of a sudden, the first part didn't >fit any more. > And so it went. Back and forth, back and forth. > Nothing seemed to fit > right until everything fit right. > The months just kept ticking away with the fuselage >upside > down and no real progress being obvious to the casual >observer. In the > meantime, Dave McPhee was making steady progress on our >wing center > section. I completely finished the tail surfaces, >fittings and control > horns and moved onto the fabricating of the control >system parts. We > ordered and laced up our wire wheels and mounted the >tires. Art >Froehlich worked on designing a brake system for the >airplane. We were > making tremendous progress. None of it particularly >visible to the > occasional visitor. > FINALLY, I am happy to report that the landing gear >fittings > are all finished and powder coated. The landing gear >legs are finished > and varnished. And gorgeous they are to look at. > Quoting Art >Froehlich, "They look store bought!" It seems that >patience and > attention to detail has paid off. > We had an excellent turnout at Saturday morning's >workshop. > Dave McPhee, Dave Winsett, and Wendy Hinman worked >together to position > and glue in place the plywood underside of the wing >center section. > That pretty much makes the center section ready for >varnish. Meanwhile > Art Froehlich and I attached the landing gear fittings >to the fuselage > and assembled the gear legs and spreader bars. By the >end of the > morning we were so excited to see it assembled that we >could not resist > securing an axle with some temporary bungies, slipping >the wheels on, > and rolling it out of the hangar (see photos below). > Finally, we can > see some visible progress again. > With the tail and control surfaces finished, the >control > system fabricated and ready for installation, the wing >center section > nearly finished, and the undercarriage needing only the >axle to be > completed, I think that we will all see some very >visible progress in > the next six weeks. We have finally cleared some >tremendous hurdles. > It will be very exciting to see things really coming >together soon. > Dave Winsett has constructed a sixteen foot long >table in > his home workshop and is ready to start work on our wing >spares. He has > done some research on the construction of box spars and >thinks that this > is the way to go. The main considerations are weight, >strength, and > cost. In every category the box spar seems to be the >better choice than > either the plank spar or the routed spar. Of course, >the box spar will > be a lot more work to build. Fortunately, he doesn't >charge much for > his labor. > Visitors are always welcome at our Saturday morning > workshops. So whether you want to get involved and try >your hand at > making some parts or you just want to see for yourself >how things are > coming along, you will always find some activity going >on between 8am > and noon Saturday mornings. Of course, donations of >labor, material, or > money are always welcome also. Involvement is >voluntary, but oh so > rewarding. Why not come join us. See you there. > > > > > > Steve Williamson, Pres. > EAA Chapter 1279 > > > > ________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more >about > what's free from AOL at AOL.com > r=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaol%2Ecom> . >


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    Time: 05:39:00 PM PST US
    From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
    Subject: tailwheel
    As long as the subject of tailwheels has come up, I attached a pic of my new Matco with a inflatable tire. It has a spoked wheel and I think it is lighter than the solid. I ordered direct from Matco, I dont think ACS has it yet. Dick N.


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    Time: 05:54:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: crosswinds and Piets
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    And then we went to Roxy=B9s for a big ol=B9 slab of beef! -john- > I remember that day well, Mike. I was flying from Brodhead to Oshkosh an d > landed at Oshkosh in a 25 knot almost direct crosswind. Not pretty but I was > happy with it. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Mich ael > D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC] > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 4:20 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: crosswinds and Piets > > Raymond, > > I have landed my Pietenpol in some very intense crosswind and gust condit ions > and though it is no fun and you are > > churning the butter with the stick the whole way down, the plane has a ve ry > good ability to stick with it if the pilot does. > > I am pretty selective on the days I choose to fly because it really takes all > the fun out of it if it is too windy or the wind is > > a direct, gusting crosswind at your home airport. Coming home from Brodh ead > in 2005 was the mother of all windy and gusty > > days but it was VFR all the way and I made it safely......but there was > gnashing of teeth and many prayers submitted ! > > > > Mike C. > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > _________________________________________________ > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privile ged, > proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other > use of the email by you is prohibited. > > Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N > > > >


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    Time: 06:14:36 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: scimitar propellers
    The CarterCopter has flown quite extensively using a "hollow blade" (their name for it) scimitar propeller for the pusher. Pictures and info on it at http://www.cartercopters.com/propeller_system.html There was an extensive write-up on the design and construction of the Carter hollow blade scimitar prop in Contact! magazine a few issues back. Now I'm sure nobody plans to use something like that on a Piet, and you were probably referring to a wood laminated, antique style scimitar! And of course, you've seen the semi-scimitar that is on what was John Dilatush's "Mountain Piet", pictures at http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/John_piet.html , more of a classic design. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE


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    Time: 06:34:04 PM PST US
    From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
    Subject: Spar options
    Anyone interested in built up spars should read the article recently sent to me by Greg Cardinal. I have posted it to my website at http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/I%20Beam%20Analysis.pdf It is a 2.5mb PDF but worth the time to download. It also talks about the pros and cons of built-up spars. Chris Tracy Sacramento, Ca Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com


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    Time: 08:37:44 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: Flying again.
    Harvey, Steve, Ron. The tail wheel is the same in both pictures. I don't know what it came off, I bought it at a fly mart. It=92s a six inch steerable/swivel type. The tailwheel control cables go directly from the rudder bar to the control horn on the tail wheel. They connect to the rudder bar at the same point as the rudder cables. The cable then passes under/over a couple of pulleys (one for the rudder the other for the tailwheel; see picture) and then directly (via a fairlead over a bottom brace) to the tailwheel. The springs are from AS&S. In this way no additional loads are transferred to the rudder hinges or other rudder fittings. I had another fly today and the rudder/tailwheel response is much better than with the previous setup. Hope that helps. Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@sympatico.ca Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. On the last picture;is it possible to get a pic of how it connects inside and where it goes into the aircraft ?Thanks. >From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:50:44 +1100 > >Originally I used the plans tail skid with a tail wheel attached. This >turned out to be rotatable (slightly) in the roll axis. It felt a bit like >falling off the spring. I changed the original fitting for a piece of >spring steel (from a trailer spring) and bolted that directly to the >original fuse fitting holes. It makes for a lighter and simpler >installation. The tail wheel is a greater distance (small) from the main >wheels so W&B distribution is not affected. The tail post gussets and extra >braces at the tail post are of sufficient strength to hold the wheel when >taxiing. > > >Hopefully the attached pictures will help with the explanation. > > >So far the steering has been more positive. > > >I have also added a YouTube video of the first flight to the web site. > > >Cheers > > >Peter. > >Wonthaggi Australia > >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > _____ > >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns >Sent: Wednesday, 28 February 2007 2:30 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter, what changes did you make to your tail wheel? > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: HYPERLINK "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"Peter W Johnson > >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM > >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Rick, > > >This was my first ground loop and it was counter clockwise, is there any >better way to do it!!!! > > >Cheers > > >Peter > >Wonthaggi Australia >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > _____ > > >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-s erv e >r@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf >Of Rick Holland >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:49 PM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > >Peter > >Any truth to the rumor that Piets ground-loop counter-clockwise down under? > (you know, like the toilet thing?). > >Rick > >On 2/25/07, Peter W Johnson <HYPERLINK >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > >Walt, our temps have been in the 30's as well, only these are centigrade! > >Cheers > >Peter >Wonthaggi Australia >HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > >-----Original Message----- >From: HYPERLINK >"mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com"owner-pietenpol-list-s erv e >r@matronics.com >[mailto:HYPERLINK "mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com" >owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of walt evans >Sent: Monday, 26 February 2007 3:05 AM >To: HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > >"mailto:waltdak@verizon.net"waltdak@verizon.net> > >Peter, >Just happened to realize, guess it's common knowledge,,,,,,,but while us in >the Northern Hemisphere are going thru the throws of winter, you guys Down >Under are in the heat of Summer. >Flying all the Piets is kind of like the old tag team wrestling on TV >walt evans >NX140DL > >do not archive > >"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" >Ben Franklin >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peter W Johnson" <HYPERLINK >"mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au > >To: <HYPERLINK >"mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com"pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:39 PM >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flying again. > > > > <HYPERLINK "mailto:vk3eka@bigpond.net.au"vk3eka@bigpond.net.au> > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > After some enforced repairs caused by a ground loop, I had the Piet >flying > > again yesterday. I have fitted a re pitched prop, changed the tailwheel > > and > > brake setup and improved the cooling system. The flight was uneventful > > other > > than a rather large grin all over my face. Hands and feet off the Piet > > wanted to go nose down a little but I think a little more power and that > > will trim out. I have fitted a trim lever but will need to get tensions > > correct before use. > > > > At the end of the taxi back to the hangar, the oil temp was a bit high >but > > > I > > think I'll leave the engine some more hours to bed in before doing much > > else > > with the baffles. > > > > If the weather holds good, I'll be doing some more testing in the next > > couple of weeks to see how things go. It all looks good now though. > > > > Cheers > > > > Peter > > Wonthaggi Australia > > HYPERLINK "http://www.cpc-world.com"http://www.cpc-world.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > 1:26 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >-- >25/02/2007 3:16 PM > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.ma troni c >s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > >-- > > >3:24 PM > > ><< IMG_0488_JPG_thumb.jpg >> ><< IMG_0470_thumb.jpg >> -- 27/02/2007 3:24 PM -- 28/02/2007 4:09 PM




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