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1. 05:44 AM - Landing gear work, this may help others, I hope (Scott Schreiber)
2. 05:49 AM - Engine time, help appreciated (Scott Schreiber)
3. 05:59 AM - landing at Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 06:00 AM - Wind screens (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 06:06 AM - The Roxy, Downtown Oshkosh (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
6. 06:15 AM - Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: Model A received (Rick Holland)
8. 07:08 AM - Re: landing at Oshkosh (Steve Singleton)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: Prop question (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers ()
11. 08:27 AM - trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
12. 08:32 AM - Re: Wind screens ()
13. 08:53 AM - Re: Engine time, help appreciated (Ben Charvet)
14. 09:01 AM - Re: Wind screens (gbowen@ptialaska.net)
15. 12:08 PM - Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
16. 12:36 PM - Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (Bill Church)
17. 01:49 PM - Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (Kirk, Bruce)
18. 02:46 PM - Re: Newbie Questions (pietn38b@aol.com)
19. 03:55 PM - Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
20. 04:16 PM - Re: Oshkosh, Memories of 70th anniversery (shad bell)
21. 05:58 PM - Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel (Dick Navratil)
22. 07:15 PM - Re: over complicating the process? (Rick Holland)
23. 10:25 PM - Re: Wind screens (Rcaprd@aol.com)
24. 11:31 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:35 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Subject: | Landing gear work, this may help others, I hope |
As much as others on this group have helped me along the way maybe I can
give a little back this time. In the course of fabricating the landing
gear the Piet split axle wasn't impossible but it did have limitations.
I looked around and found a design that was used on a replica cub (full
size) and a biplane. Both are several hundered pounds heavier than the
Piet. I got the gear plans from light minerature aircraft and ordered a
complete kit that had the metal, wheels, tires, brakes, bolts etc. etc.
for about $450 from Wicks. I am well into the fabrication now and it has
been easy and very adaptable to the Piet. I just had to narrow the rails
and change the lengths of a few tubes, nothing complicated. As modular
as this design is any part can be re-made as you see fit without any
real penalty in time, cost or work on other parts. All work has been
done with a band saw and belt sander. Here are a few snaps:
This pic shows the front legs and the upper part of the shock cord area.
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietshock1.jpg
The angled piece resting on the rail in the following pic is the point
where the front and rear legs come together and where the axle is
mounted.
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietaxle1.jpg
I hope future pics will make the design a bit easier to visualize.
-Scott
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Subject: | Engine time, help appreciated |
I have been back and forth on this issue since I began. I am torn
between the Subaru EA81 and the A65. As a life long Subaru nut I am
familiar with every last bolt of the EA81 and it's many merits. Price
wise they seem to be about the same in the end. I am troubled by the
lack of an electric start on the A65 as the modern world seems to have
limited accomodations for proping a plane. On the other hand that simple
air cooled factor means allot. Despite all this I seem to feel more and
more like going with an A65 and I am pretty much ready to buy. Are there
any really trusted sources for buying a ready to go A65?
-Scott
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Subject: | landing at Oshkosh |
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the
convention, let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind.
You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at Oshkosh
(thankfully the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on 18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze blew
the DC-3's takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The
emergency repair folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at
EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we
had 17 planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is
coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has anyone
had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: | The Roxy, Downtown Oshkosh |
Oh man, is that place ever good----at least the prime rib is good.
Looks like a place out of the late 1960's that never really changed and
that his a bit nostalgic. If I don't stop at least one for prime rib at
the Roxy during Oshkosh the vacation just isn't complete.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers |
Rob asked-
>Also the engine appears to be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling
>for?
As anyone who is involved with the Corvair knows, it can be a leaker/dripper
if it isn't assembled using today's O-ring and gasket materials and if a few
small areas aren't attended to in the assembly. In the old days, Corvair
cars were notorious drippers... to the point that there is even a little
book (pamphlet, really) written on this subject. The title of it is, "Stop
Corvair Lubricant Leaks" by Fred Johnson. Simple, practical stuff but it
targets the Corvair problem areas.
The point is, if the engine was assembled using old style O-rings on the
pushrod tubes, or reusing old gaskets, or if the pan was not properly
converted for the aero engine mount, it will leak in one of those spots or
at the valve covers or at the front cover. It's not going to affect
airworthiness but it does make for poor appearance and increased
maintenance.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
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Subject: | Re: Model A received |
What do you expect your total completed cost to be for your engine Dan?
Rick
On 2/27/07, HelsperSew@aol.com <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Pieters,
>
> I just picked up my Model A rebuild from Antique Engine Rebuilders of
> Skokie IL. Rich the owner is a good guy and easy to work with. I bought a
> run-out on Ebay last summer for $100.00. This turned out to be a good find
> because it was a "diamond" block. It is identified by a small diamond
> shaped casting mark on the valve cover side of the block. I was told it
> signified that it was made after the main production runs for the "A's" was
> over, and improved in some ways. Drove up and picked it up in Blue River
> WI. $2700.00 bought me new pistons and rods, modern insert bearings,
> oversize intake valves, and counter-weighted crankshaft. The
> counter-weighted crankshaft was recommended to me by Ken Perkins. He says
> you need it for a "good strong" engine. Now I will build it up with an
> aluminum 8 plug head and dual mags. I got the dual mag drive set-up from
> Ken.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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Subject: | Re: landing at Oshkosh |
That was Mitchell Burns Piet. (Brookfield MO) He lives about 1/2 hr
from me . I was not there but i believe he said it tore the gear off but
did not hurt the fusaledge at all. Hes a good guy to visit with and he
loves Pietenpols. Steve S
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the
convention, let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind.
You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at
Oshkosh (thankfully the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on
18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze
blew the DC-3's takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The
emergency repair folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at
EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we
had 17 planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is
coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: Prop question |
Chuck,
Don't know the tech details of your questions well enough to answer. Just
saw what Jay had to offer due to the pictures on his website and the
scrimitar shape seem way cool for a Piete and was cheaper than any other
alternative prop. I've been happy with it, has lots of thrust. Brakes
can't hold it on pavement turning 1700 rpm. On grass/sand I can hold it
for runup but have Cessna 172 hydraulic brakes. Churn about 2550 on takeoff
with the 108hp Lyco, indicating about 1000'/min. Can cruise all day long
at 2050 rpm, 80 mph, 6.5 gal/hr, Piete weighs 690 lbs, me- 280 lbs and 22
gal fuel.
Gordon
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From: Rcaprd@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Prop question
In a message dated 2/28/2007 10:18:39 AM Central Standard Time,
gbowen@ptialaska.net writes:
Yep, bought couple years ago a scrimitar shaped beauty made of maple and
walnut laminates from Jay.
Gordon,
When you say 'Scimitar Shaped', do you mean an actual Scimitar prop, or a
Semi-Scimitar ?? The way Eric Clutton describes a Scimitar prop, is that
the
radius of the swept back blades, is the same as the radius of the prop.
It's a
Very noticeable swept back blade. I've not heard much from anyone that has
an
actual Scimitar prop, and have been planning on building one for quite a
while
now. Do you know if Jay uses the plans called out in Eric Clutton's book ?
The way he calls out the plank orientation is also unconventional, in that
there are 3/16" to 1/4" laminates, and they lay parallel to the line of
flight.
I'm very interested in anyone who has flight tested a True Scimitar Prop.
Chuck G.
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Subject: | Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers |
My AME told me of a fellow that used to fly with a tin can strapped to the
place where the leak was and when he landed he would pour the oil back in
again,crazy baby!
>From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for sale on barnstormers
>Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:15:06 -0600
>
><taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
>Rob asked-
>
>>Also the engine appears to be dripping oil, any idea what this is selling
>>for?
>
>As anyone who is involved with the Corvair knows, it can be a
>leaker/dripper if it isn't assembled using today's O-ring and gasket
>materials and if a few small areas aren't attended to in the assembly. In
>the old days, Corvair cars were notorious drippers... to the point that
>there is even a little book (pamphlet, really) written on this subject.
>The title of it is, "Stop Corvair Lubricant Leaks" by Fred Johnson.
>Simple, practical stuff but it targets the Corvair problem areas.
>
>The point is, if the engine was assembled using old style O-rings on the
>pushrod tubes, or reusing old gaskets, or if the pan was not properly
>converted for the aero engine mount, it will leak in one of those spots or
>at the valve covers or at the front cover. It's not going to affect
>airworthiness but it does make for poor appearance and increased
>maintenance.
>
>Oscar Zuniga
>San Antonio, TX
>mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
>website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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>Calculate new payment
>
>
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Subject: | trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
Did you guys check out that VERY useful access panel that Dick N's new
Pietenpol has down by the tailpost area for
getting to your tailwheel arm/assy. fittings ? Brilliant idea.
Mike C.
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I only have one windscreen and I'm planning on putting plexiglass or lexan
over the front hole to cut down on the wind.I've never flown with the two
windscreens so I can't compare.I would make my screen higher in future as
well to cut down on the wind.I can't see having two making much difference
though,flying at such a slow speed.
>From: HelsperSew@aol.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:59:53 EST
>
>I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
>Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has
>anyone
>had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine time, help appreciated |
One thing you might consider in your deliberations is insurance. I was
originally planning to use a Corvair conversion, and had purchased 3
cores to make one good engine. I bought an old Baby Ace with a A-75 on
it to get back into flying.
Getting insurance on the Baby Ace wasnt a problem even though it is 50
years old, because it has a certified engine/prop combination. I called
around and no one would insure a corvair in a Piet. I think they will
insure the Egenfelter (sp) subaru conversion if it was a firewall
forward package.
The continental is a great engine. Mine has a fresh rebuild on it, and
it starts on the first blade after a 4 blade pull through for prime. I
live in Florida, so a primer system isn't installed. I chain the
tailwheel and chock the wheels before starting it when I'm by myself.
There are usually guys around that can prop me and that is always nice.
The Baby Ace is a lot easier to get into than a Piet, so electric start
would be nice. If you add an alternator you will also have to install a
transponder ($$$$). My current plan is to look for a mid-time A-75 to
C-85. I've seen a few on barnstormers.com for as little as 2000-3000
dollars. Overall I think the above arguments made my decision easy.
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
PS> Anybody have a mid-time or run out A-65 for sale in Florida?
Scott Schreiber wrote:
> I have been back and forth on this issue since I began. I am torn
> between the Subaru EA81 and the A65. As a life long Subaru nut I am
> familiar with every last bolt of the EA81 and it's many merits. Price
> wise they seem to be about the same in the end. I am troubled by the
> lack of an electric start on the A65 as the modern world seems to have
> limited accomodations for proping a plane. On the other hand that
> simple air cooled factor means allot. Despite all this I seem to feel
> more and more like going with an A65 and I am pretty much ready to
> buy. Are there any really trusted sources for buying a ready to go A65?
>
> -Scott
>
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>
>
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I have a curved motorcycle style windscreen in front of front and back
holes, the wind still comes cutting thru the front passenger hole and up
the legs. Tried the front only screen and the wind bounced off the
underside of the wing and blasted me. Think I'm gonna try next year to put
a kinda canopy over front and front sides using the cabanes as the
supports. Going to cut pieces of thin polycarb to shape and use tube
clamps to secure a multi-piece screen that directs the wind back behind the
rear cabanes. Maybe use a hinge on the passenger side longeron to open
easily for storage or passenger egress. Love the open cockpit type flying
but the cold wind blast cuts into to pleasure for sissy like me.
Gordon
Original Message:
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From: harvey.rule@sympatico.ca
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
I only have one windscreen and I'm planning on putting plexiglass or lexan
over the front hole to cut down on the wind.I've never flown with the two
windscreens so I can't compare.I would make my screen higher in future as
well to cut down on the wind.I can't see having two making much difference
though,flying at such a slow speed.
>From: HelsperSew@aol.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wind screens
>Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:59:53 EST
>
>I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
>Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has
>anyone
>had experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
>
>Dan Helsper
>Poplar Grove, IL
>
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Subject: | Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
Say....Dick N.
Can you post these photos for us to observe. (many inches of snow in the Fargo,
ND area! Hate snow....)
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
Did you guys check out that VERY useful access panel that Dick N's new
Pietenpol has down by the tailpost area for
getting to your tailwheel arm/assy. fittings ? Brilliant idea.
Mike C.
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Subject: | trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
Ken,
Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c
3f3
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Subject: | Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:35:47 -0500
Is that a lump of lead in the back for counter weight
Bruce Kirk
"Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3
> db66c8f4016009
>
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Subject: | Re: Newbie Questions |
Steve
Not me. I keep my airplanes at Sandridge Airpark just south east of
Collinsville. Jim
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Subject: | trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
Oops.....stupid attack!
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
Ken,
Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3db66c8f4016009
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Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Oshkosh, Memories of 70th anniversery |
Hey I remember seeing that piet on a trailer at Oshkosh 99. That was my 1st trip
there. Dad and I saw Mike's Piet there. It was the one that really inspired
Dad to build his piet. He was thinking of building something, but was undecided
on what to build. He was into homebuilding as a late teenager in the late
60's and until the mid 70's flying my grandfather's Speezio TuHoler, and building
the wing of a Cassutt 3M,(which is now mine to complete) Us kids spoiled
the flying budget untill I was 19 and got my private and got him hooked again.
We rented the local spam cans and flew to fly ins to look for what he wanted
to build. Cheap, Easy, And Fun thats The Pietenpol. Thanks to all the guys
who inspired Dad and myself by doing there own thing. You guys probably don't
even realize what you do by simply flying your little homebuilts to the local
airports and giving a kid ( even if just a kid at heart) you don't even see
a dream to go after. Thanks again to all and I
hope to be able to pay forward all the inspiration to the local airport kid who
is told "DON'T TOUCH MY AIRPLANE". I will instead see if he's allowed to take
a ride in the front seat of the Piet and plant a seed of interest. This is
what we all need to do once in a while to make sure the coming generations can
experiance the pure joy of flying for the fun of it, and our hobby stays alive
for generations to come.
LONG LIVE THE PIETENPOL!!
Shad
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing at Oshkosh
There is enough pressure when landing your plane at Oshkosh for the convention,
let alone adding the stress of a 25 knot direct crosswind. You
did good, Jack. We lost a Pietenpol in an accident landing at Oshkosh (thankfully
the pilot was okay) when the propwash from a DC-3 on 18R
washed over our landing runway of 18L. The light southwest breeze blew the DC-3's
takeoff propwash over our runway and it just happened to
hit this one nice gent from either Mississippi or Missouri. The emergency repair
folks (can't think of that guys name off the top) at EAA helped get
the plane to where he could trailer it home. That was in 1999 when we had 17
planes there for the 7th anniversary of the design. The 80th is coming
up in 2009.
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his tailwheel |
Bruce
Exactly right! Engine is on and wings aren't. Also there are weights on
rear cockpit floor, or it would nose over.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirk, Bruce" <bkirk@yccd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: trangular access panel---in Dick's photo of his
tailwheel
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:35:47 -0500
Is that a lump of lead in the back for counter weight
Bruce Kirk
"Bill Church" <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Dick already attached a photo. See it here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=23946&sid=4a12009519e106c3f3
> db66c8f4016009
>
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Subject: | Re: over complicating the process? |
I just co-located he laterals to the vertical side braces, no need to scale
anything.
Rick
On 2/28/07, amsafetyc@aol.com <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Gentlemen, learned builders
>
> Over the past couple of weeks I have been gluing sticks together and have
> come up with 2 sides of the long fuse. I am now doing the layout on my bench
> to join them, slightly wider than design for obvious reasons. The location
> of the lateral pieces used to join the 2 sides in the standard design are
> well located and identified in the drawing, however those dimensions change
> in the longer fuse, I assume? The location of the laterals are not
> apparent or readily identifiable in the long fuse drawings as to their
> location and placement.
>
> In my endeavors for accuracy, I took a shot at scaling the long fuse
> drawings and found it to be 1 inch actual on the drawing is equal to
> 12.096 inches in scale. Not very helpful and not a readily available
> scaling system for me to use. I am certain I am over complicating this and
> am looking for guidance in this issue and future scaling issues with this
> project as I suspect this in not the only area that will have to be
> addressed.
>
> What is everyone else using to scale the location of the lateral members,
> or is there something I am missing in locating the placement of those
> laterals to join the sides. The long fuse plans leave much to be desired.
> Do I locate the laterals at the same location as those detailed in the
> standard version fuse?
>
> Much confusion here on this issue, any and all advise in locating the
> laterals is appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
> ------------------------------
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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Subject: | Re: Wind screens |
In a message dated 3/1/2007 8:01:45 AM Central Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
I was looking at the photoshare files at Walt Bowes's beautiful 1929
Aircamper and noticed that he only has a windsreen for the rear seat. Has anyone
had
experience with this set-up, and would you recommend it?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
I have a removable front wind screen, that is attached with three sheet metal
screws and tinnerman nuts. I have a sheet metal cover for the front cockpit,
with a butterfly type hinge on butt line zero (BL0), that hinges for access
to the luggage in the front pit. With the front cover installed, it looks like
a single place airplane. The windscreen has to be removed to install the
front cover, which I use in the cooler weather, or when traveling cross country.
It takes about ten minutes to make the conversion.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Pietenpol-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Pietenpol-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
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While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
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2) Your Full Name.
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Pietenpol-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Failure to use the Pietenpol-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Pietenpol-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Pietenpol-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
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response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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