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1. 04:11 AM - Re: RAA magazine ()
2. 04:53 AM - Shad and Gary Bell (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
3. 05:19 AM - Re: Shad and Gary Bell (HelsperSew@aol.com)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project (Ben Charvet)
5. 06:27 AM - Shad and Gary Bell (Oscar Zuniga)
6. 07:23 AM - Step question and Helmet cam information (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
7. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project (Bill Princell)
8. 08:03 AM - Helmet cam (DJ Vegh)
9. 08:31 AM - Re: Helmet cam ()
10. 08:44 AM - Re: Step question and Helmet cam information ()
11. 09:28 AM - Re: Step question and Helmet cam information ()
12. 10:02 AM - Re: Step question and Helmet cam information ()
13. 10:41 AM - Re: Step question and Helmet cam information (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
14. 12:56 PM - Re: Shad and Gary Bell (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
15. 12:59 PM - new website (amsafetyc@aol.com)
16. 01:02 PM - Plywood (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
17. 02:11 PM - On the subject of engines (Scott Schreiber)
18. 02:15 PM - Re: Model A received (HelsperSew@aol.com)
19. 03:32 PM - Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project (glich7@juno.com)
20. 03:33 PM - Greg Cardinal - plywood (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
21. 03:51 PM - Re: Greg Cardinal - plywood (gcardinal)
22. 04:11 PM - Re: Model A received (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
23. 04:58 PM - Re: RAA magazine (Shawn Wolk)
24. 05:05 PM - Re: Step question and Helmet cam information (Rick Holland)
25. 07:16 PM - Re: Model A received (Rick Holland)
26. 07:33 PM - Re: Greg Cardinal - plywood (Isablcorky@aol.com)
27. 08:31 PM - transponder? (glich7@juno.com)
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Piets were featured in the RAA magazine for March and April;great articles
in there.Only problem is you have to be a member of the RAA to get one.
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| Subject: | Shad and Gary Bell |
Shad,
Now that you and your Dad have your Pietenpol flying you are now a
member of the Air Camper Ambassador Program (no dues or newsletter,
thank you)
wherever you go with your new Pietenpol so you pass the torch just like
those guys who came before myself and others passed the bug, the torch,
the
glue (pass the mayo, while you're at it) and such. Your fever will be
contagious to the next potential builders and some will keep it as a
fond memory
and others will be inspired to get a license or take a flying lesson,
buy plans, and some will even build and fly a complete Air Camper
because of what
you and Gary have accomplished. No wonder this plane has been around
almost 80 years.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Shad and Gary Bell |
Mike,
Liked your post about passing the dream. I was taking my flying lessons at
DuPage County A/P in St.Charles IL in 1971 (I was 16) when I first laid eyes
on a pietenpol tied down there. Fell in love and never forgot. Still
remember the feeling to this day. The day I fly mine will be very joyous for
me.
75%done, 85% to go.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project |
Bill,
Engine selection is just one of the things they look at. I found the
guy at Falcon to be less than helpful when I tried to insure my Baby
Ace. He wanted 20-25 hours tailwheel time, and 125 hours total time
before he would even submit an application. I asked him about the
Piet/Corvair combination and he didn't think the underwriters would go
for it. I asked 2 years ago at Sun-n-fun and was told that a Model A
was easy to insure, and he could probably insure a Wynn conversion. I
would suggest calling Falcon *now *and asking them if your project was
finished today, with the engine/prop combination you are planning to
have, and your flying experience, if they would insure you and what the
rate would be. If they would write it, ask what the rate would be with
a certified aircraft engine too. I asked William Wynn the insurance
question at CC9 and he said insurance was available, but didn't give
specifics. The insurance industry changes, so what they said 2 years
ago would be different from today, and will be different when my project
is finally completed.
Obviously there are lots of considerations in engine selection. That's
one of the things that makes experimental aviation so unique. Its great
that we are free to make the choice, but do yourself a favor and call
around, get a few quotes, and then proceed as you see prudent. Let the
list know what you find out.
Ben Charvet
Bill Princell wrote:
> Hi Ben:
>
> I met you at CC#9. I also attended CC#10 and discussed the
> insurability issue with William in private. His answer to me was that
> Falcon Insurance Company will insure an airworthy home-built with a
> Corvair engine providing the engine is built and sold by him
> (William), with his assigned "conversion serial number. If I build a
> Corvair engine to his (William's) specs, using his conversion parts,
> along with the other parts and procedures he recommends, he will check
> out the completed engine and then assign a FlyCorvair serial number.
> Falcon will then insure it. I saw your post several weeks ago
> regarding the fact that you had made a decision to go with a different
> engine. I was curious at the time about why you were switching. Now I
> know. Did you ever discuss the insurance issue with William?
>
> Just My Two Cents Worth
>
> Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
> Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
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| Subject: | Shad and Gary Bell |
I've made it a point to look around the airport for kids looking through the
fence, kids hanging around the airplanes, kids on bikes, kids anywhere...
and I haven't seen any. Wish there were, because I'd gladly give them
rides, but they all seem to be inside playing video games or at the mall or
on their cellphones.
I'm working on our two grandsons to make sure that doesn't happen. They
need to play barefoot outside, ride bikes, and make toy boats out of wood
scraps to float down the curb when it rains. They already have a black Lab
and little fishing rods, so we're off to a good start. Now I just need to
get their mama to let me play "Round Sounds" in the car when we're going
places with them, so they can learn what a big radial sounds like before
they're all extinct.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Step question and Helmet cam information |
Members of the list:
I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for the
rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I had seen
a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and then step
up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the rear seat. Make
sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any assistance is greatly
appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar design which is made out
of metal that you just cut and install in place.
AND........
Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may just try
and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this set-up.
Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory Video Recorder.
640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA cables included.
Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal memory w/expandable
up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on helmets and a wide
array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows 2000.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883 www.oregonscientific.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project |
Hi Ben:
Thanks for the reply. I'll make it a point to ask questions at the Falcon
Ins. booth when I attend SNF this year. As you point out the requirements
for insurability are changing constantly. Hopefully, the Corvair engine
program will maintain a good safety record over the next several years as
more and more are flying. I expect my rebuild project to be completed in
two/three years. Just starting my Sport Pilot training in a tail-wheel, so
maybe I will be able to meet the minimum requirements by the time I'm
finished, if the rules haven't changed again.
I saw pictures of your Piet project on the West Coast Piet website recently.
Looks like your project is progressing very nicely. The quality of your
workmanship shows in every picture. Looks like you also have a great shop to
work in.
Bill -
On 3/2/07, Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> Bill,
> Engine selection is just one of the things they look at. I found the
> guy at Falcon to be less than helpful when I tried to insure my Baby
> Ace. He wanted 20-25 hours tailwheel time, and 125 hours total time
> before he would even submit an application. I asked him about the
> Piet/Corvair combination and he didn't think the underwriters would go
> for it. I asked 2 years ago at Sun-n-fun and was told that a Model A
> was easy to insure, and he could probably insure a Wynn conversion. I
> would suggest calling Falcon *now *and asking them if your project was
> finished today, with the engine/prop combination you are planning to
> have, and your flying experience, if they would insure you and what the
> rate would be. If they would write it, ask what the rate would be with
> a certified aircraft engine too. I asked William Wynn the insurance
> question at CC9 and he said insurance was available, but didn't give
> specifics. The insurance industry changes, so what they said 2 years
> ago would be different from today, and will be different when my project
> is finally completed.
>
> Obviously there are lots of considerations in engine selection. That's
> one of the things that makes experimental aviation so unique. Its great
> that we are free to make the choice, but do yourself a favor and call
> around, get a few quotes, and then proceed as you see prudent. Let the
> list know what you find out.
>
> Ben Charvet
>
> Bill Princell wrote:
>
> > Hi Ben:
> >
> > I met you at CC#9. I also attended CC#10 and discussed the
> > insurability issue with William in private. His answer to me was that
> > Falcon Insurance Company will insure an airworthy home-built with a
> > Corvair engine providing the engine is built and sold by him
> > (William), with his assigned "conversion serial number. If I build a
> > Corvair engine to his (William's) specs, using his conversion parts,
> > along with the other parts and procedures he recommends, he will check
> > out the completed engine and then assign a FlyCorvair serial number.
> > Falcon will then insure it. I saw your post several weeks ago
> > regarding the fact that you had made a decision to go with a different
> > engine. I was curious at the time about why you were switching. Now I
> > know. Did you ever discuss the insurance issue with William?
> >
> > Just My Two Cents Worth
> >
> > Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
> > Corvair Powered Pietenpol Rebuild Project
>
>
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speaking of helmet cams....
here's a video in my Tcraft from a home made helmet cam. Used a Canon
A640 in video mode at full resolution.
http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1.wmv (hi-res 63mb)
http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1_low.wmv (lo-res 23mb)
DJ
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
Members of the list:
I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse
for the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I
thought I had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made
opening and then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located
back around the rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach
and its' design. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine
boats have a similar design which is made out of metal that you just cut
and install in place.
AND........
Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
set-up.
Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and
RCA cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB
internal memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included)
mounts easily on helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs
windows XP or Windows 2000.
Ken H
Fargo, ND
Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
www.oregonscientific.com
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That was really neat;I felt like I was flying that plane myself.Thanks for
the flight!That's a keeper for sure.
>From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Helmet cam
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:02:32 -0700
>
>speaking of helmet cams....
>
>here's a video in my Tcraft from a home made helmet cam. Used a Canon A640
>in video mode at full resolution.
>
>http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1.wmv (hi-res 63mb)
>
>http://veghdesign.com/tcraft_ffz_1_low.wmv (lo-res 23mb)
>
>DJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
> To: Pietenpol
> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:22 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>
>
> Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Step question and Helmet cam information |
I have a few pics of this ;I will see if I can send them along. I will have
to send this letter to outlook first,sympatico doesn't want to accept the
pics as attachments.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Step question and Helmet cam information |
Ok I finally figured out how to get you those pics.The aluninum box that a
friend of mine made up for me looks like this" >" from the side.I don't have
a pic of it but you can see the top view from behide the seat in one of the
pics.He also made the the horseshoe bracket that holds the whole thing in
place .The box has a flange on it so the horseshoe bracket can hold it.There
are two horseshoe brackets ,one for the inside and one for the outside.They
bolt together with short bolts and nuts.I only use my toe to get in.The
whole foot will not fit in the box,but it is enough to get the leverage in
order to get in.I put a rubber bottom on it to take the wear,made out of the
side of a rubber boot cut to shape and glued in.You can use either foot.I
also put in a flop door as you can see.Pryor to this I had to do the limbo
to get in,now I just step right in there easy as pie. Most of this work was
done by friends of mine helpng me.I watched and learned from the masters.I
hope this helps a little.From the pics you can see the positioning of the
box.I have seen in other pics from other sites boxs made out of wood and
they look quite good and that is where I found out where to put the box.I
will see if I can find those sites again and if I find it I will send it
along.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Step question and Helmet cam information |
Ok I found the web page and the pics of the wooden box step;the web page is
www.cpc-world.com and I retrieved a few pics for you off it;see
attachments.Enjoy.By the way from this guys web page you get a lot of info
on how to build a piet but he is only one of many.His stuff looks good
though.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
>To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
>memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
>helmets and a wide array of sports equipment. Needs windows XP or Windows
>2000.
>
> Ken H
> Fargo, ND
> Company is Oregon Scientific, Inc. Tualatin, Oregon 1-800-853-8883
>www.oregonscientific.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Step question and Helmet cam information |
Thanks Very Much Harvey!!
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
harvey.rule@sympatico.ca wrote:
Ok I finally figured out how to get you those pics.The aluninum box that a
friend of mine made up for me looks like this" >" from the side.I don't have
a pic of it but you can see the top view from behide the seat in one of the
pics.He also made the the horseshoe bracket that holds the whole thing in
place .The box has a flange on it so the horseshoe bracket can hold it.There
are two horseshoe brackets ,one for the inside and one for the outside.They
bolt together with short bolts and nuts.I only use my toe to get in.The
whole foot will not fit in the box,but it is enough to get the leverage in
order to get in.I put a rubber bottom on it to take the wear,made out of the
side of a rubber boot cut to shape and glued in.You can use either foot.I
also put in a flop door as you can see.Pryor to this I had to do the limbo
to get in,now I just step right in there easy as pie. Most of this work was
done by friends of mine helpng me.I watched and learned from the masters.I
hope this helps a little.From the pics you can see the positioning of the
box.I have seen in other pics from other sites boxs made out of wood and
they look quite good and that is where I found out where to put the box.I
will see if I can find those sites again and if I find it I will send it
along.
>From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
>To: Pietenpol
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Step question and Helmet cam information
>Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:22:44 -0800 (PST)
>
>Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
>the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
>had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
>then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around the
>rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design. Any
>assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
>design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may
>just try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this
>set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
>Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
>cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
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| Subject: | Re: Shad and Gary Bell |
In a message dated 3/2/2007 8:20:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Mike,
Liked your post about passing the dream. I was taking my flying lessons at
DuPage County A/P in St.Charles IL in 1971 (I was 16) when I first laid eyes
on a pietenpol tied down there. Fell in love and never forgot. Still
remember the feeling to this day. The day I fly mine will be very joyous for
me. 7
5%done, 85% to go.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Dan,
I learned to fly at Schaumburg, not too far away.
Ron
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Group,
I need to order plywood for a short fuselage Piet. Does anyone know off
the top of their head what thicknesses and quantities?
Ron
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| Subject: | On the subject of engines |
As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources. I
really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up some
good deals.
For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any
comments?
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=142149
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Model A received |
Rick,
Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.
Original run-out from Ebay
$100
Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie IL
2,700
Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken Perkins
900
Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.)
70
Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for sale)
?
Cost of two slick mags, new (approx)
1200
Cost of ignition harnesses and plugs
?
Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts
300
This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Engine Choice vs: Insurability of Completed Project |
All,
I would agree that it's a good idea to check ahead of time to see
about insurance requirements, as others have said. At least two years
ago, a reply in the open-email section of WW's site a response
explained that he had talked with Bob Mackey(?) at Falcon in order to
arrange for builders to insure their corvair powered planes through
Falcon. I know he said that they can get slightly better rates for
engines built entirely by his shop, but also that owner-built engines,
especially those with his seal of approval, so to speak, could be
insured with only a hoop or two to jump through. As others have said,
things change, but I would think that it would be easier, not harder,
to obtain insurance for the combination as more engines go into
service, but it may not be such a linear relation.
As for the experience requirements, I would obviously suggest that
you get the tailwheel endorsement and an extra hour or five in
whatever you use for your training, before even bothering with the
insurance. If you can get some time in a similar plane, or even a few
hours in type from a friendly pietenpoler near you, it would
drastically improve your chances of a stress-free insurance experience.
As for me, the current plan is to get my tailwheel endorsement from
the folks at Red Stewart Field, in SW ohio. (there's no rush, I'm a
ways from a completed plane for now.) I then hope to get several more
hours in a few other taildraggers they rent there (they even have a
Stearman, and I think something like a pitts) to further prepare for
flying the piet. By this time I would probably be at or over the
requirements for experience for tail-time, that one post suggested.
The last part is a personal choice and I am by no means recommending
this last part.. Assuming I and at LEAST someone else (probably a
flight advisor) thinks I am qualified at this point, I will complete
the 40 hour test program, or however long it takes to fix any bugs,
and THEN look into getting liability insurance, keeping up with
regular inquiries about what their current requirements are, between
now and then. If I can't get a tolerable rate with the 40+ hrs in
type, around 55-60 tail hours, and roughly 200 total hours (estimated)
that I should have by that time, then I'll figure things from there.
Basically all I'm saying is, don't let what one rep, or whoever
said something in the past keep you from using a particular engine. If
you are happy with an A65 or Model A based on the ENGINE itself, then
by all means mount it and fly happy. But the day I let an insurance
salesman tell ME which engine I WANT to use is the day I ruefully find
a new hobby. If I let them tell me how to build and fly based on their
tolerance for (perceived) unknown risk, I would never get off the
ground. Okay I'll put my soapbox away now, ignore or use this as you
see fit.
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| Subject: | Greg Cardinal - plywood |
Say Greg.....
I purchased some Okoume plywood from a friend of yours who live in the Mpls area.
I believe he is a canoe/boat builder?. I do believe he is an avid flyer of
aircraft and knows the pietenpol well.... I know he sells many types of plywood
and I am in search of his number. I have purchased wood from him but lost
the invoice. I will be in the area this weekend and need to purchase some more
plywood. Help!...
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal - plywood |
That would be Wayne Meier, 651 882-9035.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: Pietenpol
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Cardinal - plywood
Say Greg.....
I purchased some Okoume plywood from a friend of yours who live in the
Mpls area. I believe he is a canoe/boat builder?. I do believe he is an
avid flyer of aircraft and knows the pietenpol well.... I know he sells
many types of plywood and I am in search of his number. I have purchased
wood from him but lost the invoice. I will be in the area this weekend
and need to purchase some more plywood. Help!...
Ken H.
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Re: Model A received |
In a message dated 3/2/2007 5:16:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Rick,
Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.
Original run-out from Ebay
$100
Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie IL
2,700
Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken Perkins
900
Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.)
70
Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for sale)
?
Cost of two slick mags, new (approx)
1200
Cost of ignition harnesses and plugs
?
Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto Parts
300
This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Dan,
Did you remember your radiator?
Ron
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| Subject: | RE: RAA magazine |
Yes, one of the Pietenpols featured is mine. C-FRAZ. I haven't seen any
of the articles yet.
Shawn
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| Subject: | Re: Step question and Helmet cam information |
Here is a picture of the metal tubing step I made for mine.
Rick
On 3/2/07, KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Members of the list:
>
> I am interested in photos and designs of a step inserted in the fuse for
> the rear pilot to gain access into and out of the rear cockpit. I thought I
> had seen a photo of one whereas you insert foot into the made opening and
> then step up and into the cockpit. I believe it was located back around
> the rear seat. Make sense?!? Interested in this approach and its' design.
> Any assistance is greatly appreciated. I know marine boats have a similar
> design which is made out of metal that you just cut and install in place.
>
> AND........
>
> Here is the information on my helmet cam purchased at Shopko. You may just
> try and find the manufacturer and see what other stores carry this set-up.
>
> Model ATC2K Water Resistant Hands Free Helmet Cam with Flash Memory
> Video Recorder. 640x480 VGA resolution @ 30 frames per second. USB and RCA
> cables included. Playback on PC or TV. Plug and play direct. 32 MB internal
> memory w/expandable up to 2 GB with SD card(not included) mounts easily on
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| Subject: | Re: Model A received |
Looks like your costs will be very close to the $5500 my Corvair engine is
going to cost.
Rick
On 3/2/07, HelsperSew@aol.com <HelsperSew@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> Here is an estimate for the total cost of my Model A rebuild.
>
> Original run-out from
> Ebay
> $100
> Rebuild work from Antique Engine Rebuilders, Skokie
> IL 2,700
> Water pump and Dual mag drive parts from Ken
> Perkins 900
> Aluminum timing gear I bought (recommended by K.P.)
> 70
> Propeller hub (must make or buy this, KP has for
> sale) ?
> Cost of two slick mags, new
> (approx) 1200
> Cost of ignition harnesses and
> plugs ?
> Aluminum 8 plug head from Snyder's Antique Auto
> Parts 300
>
> This is what comes to mind so far. Hope this helps.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Greg Cardinal - plywood |
Ken,
How do you carry plywood on a snowmobile?
Corky
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Ben,
Almost forgot...I'm not sure about this, so I would be interested
in a reference to a specific rule about it. I was under the
impression that you only MUST install a transponder in a PRODUCTION
aircraft which was originally certified with the electrical system. I
may be wrong about the whole thing but I'm fairly sure about the
requirement that the system be original. There are plenty of older
planes out there that were updated with an electrical system just to
have electric start, but didn't need a xponder. Because of the
production part I would think that it wouldn't apply to experimentals.
Incidentally, I do plan to install a transponder anyway because I
live just outside some class charlie airspace and even if I didn't it
could come in handy. As always don't let my assumptions stand if you
know better.
Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio
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