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1. 03:51 AM - Piet engines (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
2. 04:46 AM - Re: transponder? (Gene & Tammy)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: On the subject of engines (Gene & Tammy)
4. 05:44 AM - Re: Model A received (HelsperSew@aol.com)
5. 07:12 AM - Re: Model A received (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Piet engines (Rick Holland)
7. 10:58 AM - cub eyebrows (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
8. 11:36 AM - Re: cub eyebrows ()
9. 01:01 PM - GN-1 Plans (DJ Vegh)
10. 01:48 PM - Re: transponder? (Ben Charvet)
11. 02:48 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Alan Lyscars)
12. 02:57 PM - piet photos (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
13. 03:53 PM - piet photos (Oscar Zuniga)
14. 05:54 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Dick Navratil)
15. 06:31 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Eric Williams)
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Hi Rick: That cost of Dans "A" may be comparable to your corvair, but
the "hotsy-totsy ( that word was right out of the F&G manual) factor of
the Model A is worth a million bucks! On the A-65 on Barnstormers, you
are buying a pin-in- the-poke unless you know the owner personally. It's
a gamble. I bought a A-65 at Oshkosh ( a J-3 FWF with the eye brows. ) I
didn't notice until I got it home that the data plate (mostly hidden by
the eye brows) was not there. For all I know, it may be an empty shell.
Good luck if you buy it. Leon S. In Ks. where the wind is blowing like a
@#$%^&*() !. Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: transponder? |
Tim,
You are correct. You don't need a transponder on an experimental with an
electrical system unless your flying in a class of airspace that requires
one.
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: On the subject of engines |
Scott,
I have read tales of horror and woes from buyers of all types of used
engines. "But the seller promised it had only 600 Hrs", the seller
promised it "had just been rebuilt" The log books showed "30 hrs since
major overhaul and even listed all the new parts put in" (that's one I
just got stung on and now I'm having to fork out lots of green stuff for
a complete overhaul). I now have a new saying "a buyer that believes
the seller and doesn't have an honest mechanic that is familiar with
that type of engine check it out first, is buying for a FOOL." The only
bright spot for me is I am working with the mechanic as he's rebuilding
it and I'm learning.
Also, keep in mind that most owners have their favorite engine and no
matter how much problems they may have with them they will still swear
by them. The most used comment I read is "as soon as I install this new
part (shaft--rings--pistons--ect) everything will be perfect"
THE FOOL
Gene----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Schreiber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines
As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources.
I really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up
some good deals.
For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any
comments?
http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=142149
-Scott
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| Subject: | Re: Model A received |
Ron,
You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working
on for me (I hope).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Model A received |
In a message dated 3/3/2007 8:46:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Ron,
You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working
on for me (I hope).
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
Same here. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Ron
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| Subject: | Re: Piet engines |
I agree, I was't doing a dollars per horsepower comparison, a model A is the
coolest engine for a Piet, just not an option for me at 7000 ft.
Rick
On 3/3/07, Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Rick: That cost of Dans "A" may be comparable to your corvair, but
> the "hotsy-totsy ( that word was right out of the F&G manual) factor of
> the Model A is worth a million bucks! On the A-65 on Barnstormers, you
> are buying a pin-in- the-poke unless you know the owner personally. It's
> a gamble. I bought a A-65 at Oshkosh ( a J-3 FWF with the eye brows. ) I
> didn't notice until I got it home that the data plate (mostly hidden by
> the eye brows) was not there. For all I know, it may be an empty shell.
> Good luck if you buy it. Leon S. In Ks. where the wind is blowing like a
> @#$%^&*() !. Do not archive.
>
>
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Rick Holland
"Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
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wasn't some one here looking for some of these recently?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piper-Cub-J-3-Engine-Cooling-Eybrows_W0QQi
temZ130084266226QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
no I'm not the seller just passing it on:
Michael
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Yes I was but we fabricated our own.These look very nice and had I known
sooner I would have bought them.Now I guess they'll have to be bought by
someone else.Thanks for the email on it anyway.
do not archive
>From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: cub eyebrows
>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:55:57 -0500
>
>wasn't some one here looking for some of these recently?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piper-Cub-J-3-Engine-Cooling-Eybrows_W0QQitemZ130084266226QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>no I'm not the seller just passing it on:
>
>Michael
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after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's
son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I have
emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle the
distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing some
"family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know something
unfortunate may have befallen him.
So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold the
funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come from
the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any
copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
Opinions please?
DJ Vegh
www.imagedv.com/aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: transponder? |
Tim,
You may be right, but the way I interpreted the regulation, if you get
your airworthiness certificate with an alternator installed (my
interpretation of certificated), you would be required to have the
transponder. This seems to be the understanding at my EAA chapter. We
have a Pietenpol on the field with no alternator because the owner
doesn't want to install a transponder. He already has his airworthiness
certificate, so I'm not sure where he would fall if he were to install
an engine driven power source now. Anyway here is the FAA rule and you
can see what you think. 91.215
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=3492e419fc210c3acdf0eefe16fa3bb1&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.8&idno=14
Ben
glich7@juno.com wrote:
>
>Ben,
> Almost forgot...I'm not sure about this, so I would be interested
>in a reference to a specific rule about it. I was under the
>impression that you only MUST install a transponder in a PRODUCTION
>aircraft which was originally certified with the electrical system. I
>may be wrong about the whole thing but I'm fairly sure about the
>requirement that the system be original. There are plenty of older
>planes out there that were updated with an electrical system just to
>have electric start, but didn't need a xponder. Because of the
>production part I would think that it wouldn't apply to experimentals.
>Incidentally, I do plan to install a transponder anyway because I
>live just outside some class charlie airspace and even if I didn't it
>could come in handy. As always don't let my assumptions stand if you
>know better.
>
>Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio
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Hey DJ,
I came across a similar response from Bob, oh, probably 10 months ago. I
also offered to help out but got no reply. I refuse to gossip, and I really
hope Bob is OK.
Al Lyscars
Portland, Maine
GN-1 fittings and ribs in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
> after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J.
Grega's
> son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
> I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
have
> emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle
the
> distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing
some
> "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know
something
> unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
> So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
the
> funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come
from
> the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
> I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating
any
> copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
> dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
> Opinions please?
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
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its no beaty queen but I just came across this one
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1429440766032310096mqdVkk
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It ain't no beauty queen, but if it flies-!
PS- It also don't have a Piet airfoil on it...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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DJ
Sometimes silence is by order of a lawyer. No telling what family estate
issues may be involved. Have you seen the news lately?
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>
> after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J.
> Grega's son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
> I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
> have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me
> handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was
> experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for
> all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
> So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
> the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should
> come from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
> I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating
> any copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I
> hate dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
> Opinions please?
>
> DJ Vegh
> www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
>
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I think the way you offered to place the proceeds in a separate account
sounds good. If you know a lawyer (or if someone on this list is one) then
maybe there's a short one-page legal document that could be written up to
state that you are not profiting from selling them but rather just
distributing the plans on behalf of the non-responsive copyright holder and
all profits would be forwarded to him if requested within a reasonable time
period.
Also, for the record, save your emails where you tried to get in touch with
him. That all should be quite a bit of backup documentation that you were
acting in good faith and again, giving him the money if he were to ask for
it would go a long way towards making everyone feel warm and fuzzy.
Eric (not a lawyer but an engineer, so I'm forced to write specs sometimes.)
>From: "DJ Vegh" <dj@veghdesign.com>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans
>Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:01:15 -0700
>
>
>after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's
>son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available.
>
>I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I
>have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me
>handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was
>experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for
>all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him.
>
>So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold
>the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come
>from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs????
>
>I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any
>copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate
>dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside.
>
>Opinions please?
>
>DJ Vegh
>www.imagedv.com/aircamper
>
>
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