---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/03/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Piet engines (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan)) 2. 04:46 AM - Re: transponder? (Gene & Tammy) 3. 05:12 AM - Re: On the subject of engines (Gene & Tammy) 4. 05:44 AM - Re: Model A received (HelsperSew@aol.com) 5. 07:12 AM - Re: Model A received (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 6. 07:23 AM - Re: Piet engines (Rick Holland) 7. 10:58 AM - cub eyebrows (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 8. 11:36 AM - Re: cub eyebrows () 9. 01:01 PM - GN-1 Plans (DJ Vegh) 10. 01:48 PM - Re: transponder? (Ben Charvet) 11. 02:48 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Alan Lyscars) 12. 02:57 PM - piet photos (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 13. 03:53 PM - piet photos (Oscar Zuniga) 14. 05:54 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Dick Navratil) 15. 06:31 PM - Re: GN-1 Plans (Eric Williams) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:31 AM PST US From: lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan) Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet engines Hi Rick: That cost of Dans "A" may be comparable to your corvair, but the "hotsy-totsy ( that word was right out of the F&G manual) factor of the Model A is worth a million bucks! On the A-65 on Barnstormers, you are buying a pin-in- the-poke unless you know the owner personally. It's a gamble. I bought a A-65 at Oshkosh ( a J-3 FWF with the eye brows. ) I didn't notice until I got it home that the data plate (mostly hidden by the eye brows) was not there. For all I know, it may be an empty shell. Good luck if you buy it. Leon S. In Ks. where the wind is blowing like a @#$%^&*() !. Do not archive. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:55 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: transponder? Tim, You are correct. You don't need a transponder on an experimental with an electrical system unless your flying in a class of airspace that requires one. Gene ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:12 AM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines Scott, I have read tales of horror and woes from buyers of all types of used engines. "But the seller promised it had only 600 Hrs", the seller promised it "had just been rebuilt" The log books showed "30 hrs since major overhaul and even listed all the new parts put in" (that's one I just got stung on and now I'm having to fork out lots of green stuff for a complete overhaul). I now have a new saying "a buyer that believes the seller and doesn't have an honest mechanic that is familiar with that type of engine check it out first, is buying for a FOOL." The only bright spot for me is I am working with the mechanic as he's rebuilding it and I'm learning. Also, keep in mind that most owners have their favorite engine and no matter how much problems they may have with them they will still swear by them. The most used comment I read is "as soon as I install this new part (shaft--rings--pistons--ect) everything will be perfect" THE FOOL Gene----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: On the subject of engines As I search, I am coming accross a wide range of prices and sources. I really don't care to get burned and find myself probably passing up some good deals. For example, this one on barnstormers looks good on the surface, any comments? http://www.barnstormers.com/ad_detail.php?ID=142149 -Scott ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:39 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A received Ron, You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:12:58 AM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A received In a message dated 3/3/2007 8:46:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HelsperSew@aol.com writes: Ron, You are right. Add $500 for a radiator that Forrest Lovely (SP?) is working on for me (I hope). Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL Same here. Let's keep our fingers crossed. Ron do not archive


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:47 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet engines I agree, I was't doing a dollars per horsepower comparison, a model A is the coolest engine for a Piet, just not an option for me at 7000 ft. Rick On 3/3/07, Leon Stefan wrote: > > > Hi Rick: That cost of Dans "A" may be comparable to your corvair, but > the "hotsy-totsy ( that word was right out of the F&G manual) factor of > the Model A is worth a million bucks! On the A-65 on Barnstormers, you > are buying a pin-in- the-poke unless you know the owner personally. It's > a gamble. I bought a A-65 at Oshkosh ( a J-3 FWF with the eye brows. ) I > didn't notice until I got it home that the data plate (mostly hidden by > the eye brows) was not there. For all I know, it may be an empty shell. > Good luck if you buy it. Leon S. In Ks. where the wind is blowing like a > @#$%^&*() !. Do not archive. > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:15 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: cub eyebrows wasn't some one here looking for some of these recently? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piper-Cub-J-3-Engine-Cooling-Eybrows_W0QQi temZ130084266226QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem no I'm not the seller just passing it on: Michael ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:52 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: cub eyebrows Yes I was but we fabricated our own.These look very nice and had I known sooner I would have bought them.Now I guess they'll have to be bought by someone else.Thanks for the email on it anyway. do not archive >From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: cub eyebrows >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:55:57 -0500 > >wasn't some one here looking for some of these recently? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Piper-Cub-J-3-Engine-Cooling-Eybrows_W0QQitemZ130084266226QQihZ003QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >no I'm not the seller just passing it on: > >Michael ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:57 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available. I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him. So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs???? I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside. Opinions please? DJ Vegh www.imagedv.com/aircamper ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:47 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: transponder? Tim, You may be right, but the way I interpreted the regulation, if you get your airworthiness certificate with an alternator installed (my interpretation of certificated), you would be required to have the transponder. This seems to be the understanding at my EAA chapter. We have a Pietenpol on the field with no alternator because the owner doesn't want to install a transponder. He already has his airworthiness certificate, so I'm not sure where he would fall if he were to install an engine driven power source now. Anyway here is the FAA rule and you can see what you think. 91.215 http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=3492e419fc210c3acdf0eefe16fa3bb1&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.3.10.3.7.8&idno=14 Ben glich7@juno.com wrote: > >Ben, > Almost forgot...I'm not sure about this, so I would be interested >in a reference to a specific rule about it. I was under the >impression that you only MUST install a transponder in a PRODUCTION >aircraft which was originally certified with the electrical system. I >may be wrong about the whole thing but I'm fairly sure about the >requirement that the system be original. There are plenty of older >planes out there that were updated with an electrical system just to >have electric start, but didn't need a xponder. Because of the >production part I would think that it wouldn't apply to experimentals. >Incidentally, I do plan to install a transponder anyway because I >live just outside some class charlie airspace and even if I didn't it >could come in handy. As always don't let my assumptions stand if you >know better. > >Tim Hansen in Orient, Ohio > > >________________________________________________________________________ >FREE Reminder Service - NEW from AmericanGreetings.com >Click HERE and never forget a Birthday or Anniversary again! >http://track.juno.com/s/lc?s=197335&u=http://www.americangreetings.com/products/online_calendar.pd?c=uol5752 > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:02 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans Hey DJ, I came across a similar response from Bob, oh, probably 10 months ago. I also offered to help out but got no reply. I refuse to gossip, and I really hope Bob is OK. Al Lyscars Portland, Maine GN-1 fittings and ribs in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans > > after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's > son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available. > > I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I have > emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me handle the > distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was experiencing some > "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for all I know something > unfortunate may have befallen him. > > So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold the > funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come from > the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs???? > > I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any > copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate > dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside. > > Opinions please? > > DJ Vegh > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:16 PM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet photos its no beaty queen but I just came across this one http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1429440766032310096mqdVkk ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:28 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: piet photos It ain't no beauty queen, but if it flies-! PS- It also don't have a Piet airfoil on it... Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:53 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans DJ Sometimes silence is by order of a lawyer. No telling what family estate issues may be involved. Have you seen the news lately? Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "DJ Vegh" Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans > > after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. > Grega's son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available. > > I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I > have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me > handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was > experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for > all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him. > > So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold > the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should > come from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs???? > > I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating > any copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I > hate dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside. > > Opinions please? > > DJ Vegh > www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:10 PM PST US From: "Eric Williams" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans I think the way you offered to place the proceeds in a separate account sounds good. If you know a lawyer (or if someone on this list is one) then maybe there's a short one-page legal document that could be written up to state that you are not profiting from selling them but rather just distributing the plans on behalf of the non-responsive copyright holder and all profits would be forwarded to him if requested within a reasonable time period. Also, for the record, save your emails where you tried to get in touch with him. That all should be quite a bit of backup documentation that you were acting in good faith and again, giving him the money if he were to ask for it would go a long way towards making everyone feel warm and fuzzy. Eric (not a lawyer but an engineer, so I'm forced to write specs sometimes.) >From: "DJ Vegh" >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Plans >Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:01:15 -0700 > > >after many months of trying to get in touch with Bob Grega (late J. Grega's >son), I'm debating on whether or not to make the plans available. > >I get several emails every month asking where they can be obtained. I >have emailed Bob and asked him if he would sell rights or just let me >handle the distribution. I get nothing back from him. I know he was >experiencing some "family health issues" as he put it, months ago and for >all I know something unfortunate may have befallen him. > >So would it be wrong for me to distribute the plans.... and I would hold >the funds in an account so that if at any time in the future he should come >from the woodwork I could reimburse him less printing costs???? > >I certainly don't want to cross any lines and come across and violating any >copyrights and what I propose may by definition do just that but I hate >dearly to see the GN-1 fall by the wayside. > >Opinions please? > >DJ Vegh >www.imagedv.com/aircamper > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.