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1. 05:40 AM - weber on a model A (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 10:28 AM - Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
3. 10:51 AM - registration information (skellytownflyer)
4. 11:08 AM - landing gear height (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
5. 11:17 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 11:32 AM - Re: registration information (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 11:39 AM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Phillips, Jack)
8. 12:39 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Steve Eldredge)
9. 01:02 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (HelsperSew@aol.com)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Peter W Johnson)
11. 02:35 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
12. 03:44 PM - A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) (Aircraft Spruce)
13. 04:12 PM - Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) (Matt Reeves)
14. 04:24 PM - Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) (walt evans)
15. 06:25 PM - Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) (Scott Schreiber)
16. 07:33 PM - Main Landing Gear Length- baby bear's view (Oscar Zuniga)
17. 10:00 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length- baby bear's view (Catdesigns)
18. 10:10 PM - Axel location Clarifications (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | weber on a model A |
Dan,
The weber that Ford guys use on their A's is the weber. When I bought
mine weber was having production shortages and I got the last one for a
while, but I think they're fine now. You can find them through Snyders,
they also sell a nice intake manifold that I think I think is made by
the guy who I bought mine from. You've got to modify the intake
manifold to get the carb low enough to proper fuel head, which isn't
hard if you can weld aluminum, or you can do the cutting, find some
thick walled aluminum tubing and then bring it to someone who can weld
aluminum.
I am trying a weber primarily because it will produce more power than a
stock A carb. It is a better design, having two stages, a primary and a
secondary which will deliver a more correct mix at various throttle
settings. I also like that I have limitless jet options so I can fine
tune at idle, cruise and climb AND I can get it just a bit lean on the
ground so my mixture will not be so rich higher up.
Lowell Frank has extensive experience with this carb and loved it. It
is prone to icing just like the Ford, so that challenge doesn't go away.
It comes with a choke which Lowell got rid of, but I am thinking of
keeping because in my testing I really like how easy it makes it to
start when it's cold.
Hope that helps, feel free to contact me if you need more info.
By the way, I have a beautiful stock carb rebuilt by Ken Perkins that is
brand new if you want one. I'll sell it for what I paid Ken four years
ago.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Main Landing Gear Length |
Hi All,
I am working on installing the wood style landing gear. According to my calculations
to get a deck angle of 13 degrees I need the bottom of the axel to be 22
inches below the fuselage, measured down from the front fitting perpendicular
to the upper longeron with the upper longeron level. This will require lengthening
the wood landing gear 6.75 inches. If I compare my axel location to the
split axel gear, it is a 5-inch extension. The need for this appears to be
mostly due to the height of my tail wheel being 12 inches, or 4.5-inches taller
then the stock tail skid.
Did anyone else lengthen the gear this much? Anyone see a problem in adding this
much length? I should also add I widened the gear 6-inches to keep the same
geometry in gear width.
A search of the archives on this leads to some specific questions:
Don Emch, you said you have a deck angle of 15 degrees and a tail wheel. Did you
lengthen your gear and if so how much. Or is your high deck angle due only
to the tall wheels.
Jack Phillips, you mentioned having to add a step to get in with a 12 to 13 degree
deck angle, did you lengthen your gear and if so how much?
Mike Cuy, searching the archives you say your plane sits at 13 degrees and later
say 11 to 12 degrees is where you set your deck angle. Which one is it and
did you have to lengthen your gear legs to get it?
Rick Holland, you mentioned that your lower longeron is 32-inches from the ground
with a deck angle of 12 degrees. Where did you measure this from and did you
lengthen your gear?
Thanks
Chris Tracy
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| Subject: | registration information |
I talked with a fellow this morning by the name of Tim at the EAA headquarters
and got some clarification on the registration.he said the Light sport registration
thing right now is basically set up to allow the folks with the fat ultralights
to get legal and that option goes away in December.but I would need to
just register the Piet EX/AB and it can be flown under the Sport pilot criteria
as long as it meets it.Hope this is clear-thanks for the advice.Raymond
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| Subject: | landing gear height |
Chris,
I would have to go measure my deck angle with an angle finder to give
you the right number but 12 degrees sticks in my mind.
Widening the wood gear I think is a good idea and I widened mine about
4" as I recall. I actually believe that my gear legs are shorter
than plans though because I wanted to be able to lift my leg high enough
to get in without having to install a step. Your tail sounds
like it sits quite high which makes sense that you need to add so much
to length to maintain the deck angle. If you are non-electric
then consider that doing that will raise your prop for hand propping
comfort too.
Here are some measurements I took of straight axle planes at Brodhead.
With some trig you could calculate a rough deck angle.
I can't give you the wire wheel diameters but I will post the following
measurements I took at Brodhead on straight axle gear Pietenpols
with Continental 65 engines.
F= from bottom of longeron right next to front gear leg fitting to
ground
R= from bottom of longeron right next to rear gear leg fitting to
ground
C= from center of rear valve cover to ground
Brian Kenny's Piet from Canada (plans tail w/ small wheel as I recall)
F= 26.5"
R= 20"
C= 49.5"
Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy (plans tail w/ skid)
F= 30.5"
R= 21 3/4"
C= 53.5"
My Piet (spring steel tail w/ 4" diameter wheel
F= 28"
R= 20.5"
C= 51"
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Hi Chris,
I have wrestled with this issue of deck angle also. I built my straight
axle gear as close to the F&G Manual as humanly possible. You saw my pics I
sent you of my skid/tailwheel setup. With the skid, I have a deck angle of 12
degrees, and with the wheel about 11 or 11-1/2 degrees. I have large diameter
21" wheels and still could not get this 13 degree deck angle. I am
wondering whether the people that are claiming this have lengthened their gear,
or
more likely made an error in measuring. Why do you feel that you need this 13
degree deck angle? 6.75 inch extension seems like an awful lot. BHP
obviously did not do this. If you notice the way I made my tailwheel, I was very
cognizant of adding any height to the aft end of the fuselage, and tried to
design it with that in mind, while still achieving the removable/interchangeable
feature. Please explain your concerns. See attachments.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | registration information |
Raymond-- I flew my piet under the Sport Pilot regs this past summer for
a month
while I was out of medical. I see no reason why you can't register your
Piet as
a regular airplane with a standard N number and if you want to fly it
under the sport
rule it already meets the criteria.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Main Landing Gear Length |
Hi Chris,
I lengthened my struts, but not nearly that much. I don't remember the
dimensions, but my wheels are 21" and the top of my tire is just about
even with the bottom of the fuselage. I'm attaching a picture (sorry
for the long download) of the plane in the hangar getting ready to be
weighed. It is sitting with the longerons level, so you can get an idea
of the axle placement.
Mine has a 13 degree deck angle and it stalls in the 3 point position,
which is what I wanted. I learned to fly in a J-3 Cub and the Cub is
about the same deck angle, and stalls just as you get it to the 3-point
position. That is why a Cub is so difficult to land perfectly every
time - if you don't do it exactly right, it will either stall and drop
in, or bounce. Makes it a good trainer, because it is hard to do it
right, but hard to get hurt in.
Anyway, that is the kind of characteristic I prefer in a taildragger.
My old Cessna 140 and the RV-4 I currently own have a much shallower
deck angle and if you flare too quickly you can easily land tailwheel
first.
Having flown mine for a couple of years now, and having flown other
Pietenpols with a lower deck angle, I can say it doesn't matter much. A
Piet stalls so quickly when you flare it (unless you start your flare at
60 mph or above) that it just doesn't make much difference. What a
higher deck angle does do is make a step pretty much required equipment.
I do like the higher propeller placement for propping. I've propped
mine right after propping Mike Cuy's and I just find the higher nose
easier to prop, but then I'm 6'2" tall. Your mileage may vary.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Main Landing Gear Length
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Hi All,
I am working on installing the wood style landing gear. According to my
calculations to get a deck angle of 13 degrees I need the bottom of the
axel to be 22 inches below the fuselage, measured down from the front
fitting perpendicular to the upper longeron with the upper longeron
level. This will require lengthening the wood landing gear 6.75 inches.
If I compare my axel location to the split axel gear, it is a 5-inch
extension. The need for this appears to be mostly due to the height of
my tail wheel being 12 inches, or 4.5-inches taller then the stock tail
skid.
Did anyone else lengthen the gear this much? Anyone see a problem in
adding this much length? I should also add I widened the gear 6-inches
to keep the same geometry in gear width.
A search of the archives on this leads to some specific questions:
Don Emch, you said you have a deck angle of 15 degrees and a tail wheel.
Did you lengthen your gear and if so how much. Or is your high deck
angle due only to the tall wheels.
Jack Phillips, you mentioned having to add a step to get in with a 12 to
13 degree deck angle, did you lengthen your gear and if so how much?
Mike Cuy, searching the archives you say your plane sits at 13 degrees
and later say 11 to 12 degrees is where you set your deck angle. Which
one is it and did you have to lengthen your gear legs to get it?
Rick Holland, you mentioned that your lower longeron is 32-inches from
the ground with a deck angle of 12 degrees. Where did you measure this
from and did you lengthen your gear?
Thanks
Chris Tracy
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| Subject: | Main Landing Gear Length |
Hi Dan,
Cool choice of colors. I like purple. I thought I'd warn you about the
tail skid A-frame. As per plans it will bend and twist. I rebuilt mine
twice. I used .049 walled 3/4 " tube and also put a frame member across
the V, turning it into a capital 'A' shape. This has served well the
last 250 hours.
Good looking airplane!
Steve E
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HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Main Landing Gear Length
Hi Chris,
I have wrestled with this issue of deck angle also. I built my straight
axle gear as close to the F&G Manual as humanly possible. You saw my
pics I sent you of my skid/tailwheel setup. With the skid, I have a
deck angle of 12 degrees, and with the wheel about 11 or 11-1/2 degrees.
I have large diameter 21" wheels and still could not get this 13 degree
deck angle. I am wondering whether the people that are claiming this
have lengthened their gear, or more likely made an error in measuring.
Why do you feel that you need this 13 degree deck angle? 6.75 inch
extension seems like an awful lot. BHP obviously did not do this. If
you notice the way I made my tailwheel, I was very cognizant of adding
any height to the aft end of the fuselage, and tried to design it with
that in mind, while still achieving the removable/interchangeable
feature. Please explain your concerns. See attachments.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Steve,
I used the.049 tubing. You still think it needs the extra member?
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | Main Landing Gear Length |
Dan,
I agree with Steve, I replaced my plans tail skid/wheel with a spring
steel
type. No more bend or twist.
Peter
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Eldredge
Sent: Friday, 9 March 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Main Landing Gear Length
Hi Dan,
Cool choice of colors. I like purple. I thought I=92d warn you about
the
tail skid A-frame. As per plans it will bend and twist. I rebuilt mine
twice. I used .049 walled 3/4 =93 tube and also put a frame member
across the
V, turning it into a capital =91A=92 shape. This has served well the
last 250
hours.
Good looking airplane!
Steve E
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Main Landing Gear Length
Hi Chris,
I have wrestled with this issue of deck angle also. I built my straight
axle gear as close to the F&G Manual as humanly possible. You saw my
pics I
sent you of my skid/tailwheel setup. With the skid, I have a deck angle
of
12 degrees, and with the wheel about 11 or 11-1/2 degrees. I have large
diameter 21" wheels and still could not get this 13 degree deck angle.
I am
wondering whether the people that are claiming this have lengthened
their
gear, or more likely made an error in measuring. Why do you feel that
you
need this 13 degree deck angle? 6.75 inch extension seems like an awful
lot. BHP obviously did not do this. If you notice the way I made my
tailwheel, I was very cognizant of adding any height to the aft end of
the
fuselage, and tried to design it with that in mind, while still
achieving
the removable/interchangeable feature. Please explain your concerns.
See
attachments.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Thanks Guys.
This is the information I was looking for. I felt adding 5 to 6 inches was a bit
extreme. I chose 13 degrees is because this seems to be around the common
angle people use. Based on the numbers Mike reported, Mike is at 13.5, Brian is
just under 12 , Frank P. is just about 15 degrees. Knowing Mike to be closer
to 12 degrees, I assume these estimates to be a little steeper then reality.
We know Jack is at 13 and Greg and Dale are at 12.5. Dom Emch has the steepest
at 15. He also reported Frank P. to be about the same as his. Chuck G. at
11 degrees said it was a bit harder to get a good full stall landing. This
is why I went with 13 degrees. Well that and I like the look of a steep deck angle.
I would have gone with 14 but my high tail made that impractical.
My concern about the height is how tall will the propeller be. Anyone have any
idea how far away the propeller is from the firewall on an A-56 Piet? Im tall
and I dont mind adding a step. But most of all I dont want it to look stupid.
Yes, I know looks shouldnt be more important then functionality but come on
now we all want to look good. I also dont want to make it tippy by having tall
gear legs.
I have been playing around with my fuselage drawing and I can remove 3 inches (for
a 2 inch extension) and still get 12.5 degrees using my tail wheel (it turns
out Im a bit over the 13 degrees stated). By the time the wheels squish a
little this should be 12 degrees.
Its obvious that somehow you guys have shorter tail wheels then I do. Im seriously
contemplating switching over to a 4-inch Homebuilders Special but I dont
know the height or weight of this setup. Mike, do you have any ideas on the height
of your lower longeron at the back of the fuselage? Im sure it will weigh
more then my 6 pound tail wheel I have now.
This is all very funny in a way. Before I ever started cutting wood for the gear
I had this all worked out. I knew exactly what I was going to do. But, AFTER
I got all 4 gear legs cut it just didnt look right. Oh well, at least I am
shortening and not having to stretch them and in my experience wood is hard
to stretch.
Thanks again
Chris
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| Subject: | A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) |
A customer of ours recently posted a comment to the Pietenpol group
about a backorder that was cancelled by Aircraft Spruce. Our Customer
Service department attempted to contact the customer by phone to advise
that the shipping on the one piece of tubing would be expensive, and to
ask if we could cut it for shipping. When they id not receive a reply,
they cancelled the backorder and notified the customer by email.
Unfortunately, they did not identify the item that was on backorder,
which led our customer to believe that other items (hardware) were
backordered, when they actually were shipped. We have extended our
apology to our customer and have shipped the backordered tubing at our
expense.
We greatly appreciate all the business we receive from Pietenpol
builders and if there is ever a question or concern regarding an order,
the Aircraft Spruce Customer Service department is ready to help.
Contact us at 877-477-7823 or customerservice@aircraftspruce.com.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
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| Subject: | Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) |
I think it's awesome that builders' lists and idea forums get this type of customer
service and follow up.
Aircraft Spruce is truly on the "cutting edge" of listening to their customers
and actually doing something about it.
In this world of instant messaging, blogs, and communications, it's nice to have
a company that really does care and realizes the importance of customer needs.
Matt
Rochester, NY
Aircraft Spruce <info@aircraftspruce.com> wrote:
A customer of ours recently posted a comment to the Pietenpol group
about a backorder that was cancelled by Aircraft Spruce. Our Customer Service
department attempted to contact the customer by phone to advise that the shipping
on the one piece of tubing would be expensive, and to ask if we could cut
it for shipping. When they id not receive a reply, they cancelled the backorder
and notified the customer by email. Unfortunately, they did not identify the
item that was on backorder, which led our customer to believe that other items
(hardware) were backordered, when they actually were shipped. We have extended
our apology to our customer and have shipped the backordered tubing at our
expense.
We greatly appreciate all the business we receive from Pietenpol builders and
if there is ever a question or concern regarding an order, the Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service department is ready to help. Contact us at 877-477-7823 or
customerservice@aircraftspruce.com.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
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| Subject: | Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) |
>From time to time people bash Aircraft Spruce. I just wanted to jump in
and say that I built my Pietenpol over a 4 year period in late 1990's.
I bought most/all of my "stuff" from AS&S. Some I got from Dillsburg.
The only problem I ever had from Aircraft was an order of control cable.
I ordered, say, 75 ft, for my wing. When it came, it was many pieces of
cable.
When I called, I said I didn't want floor sweepings. They were very
Sorry for the mistake and got right on it.
I got my correct cable in a few days. At no charge. They made good on
the order.
If I were to start another project tomorrow, I would certainly go back
to AS&S.
AS&S is good!!
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
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From: Aircraft Spruce
To: Pietenpol-List@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 6:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce)
A customer of ours recently posted a comment to the Pietenpol group
about a backorder that was cancelled by Aircraft Spruce. Our Customer
Service department attempted to contact the customer by phone to advise
that the shipping on the one piece of tubing would be expensive, and to
ask if we could cut it for shipping. When they id not receive a reply,
they cancelled the backorder and notified the customer by email.
Unfortunately, they did not identify the item that was on backorder,
which led our customer to believe that other items (hardware) were
backordered, when they actually were shipped. We have extended our
apology to our customer and have shipped the backordered tubing at our
expense.
We greatly appreciate all the business we receive from Pietenpol
builders and if there is ever a question or concern regarding an order,
the Aircraft Spruce Customer Service department is ready to help.
Contact us at 877-477-7823 or customerservice@aircraftspruce.com.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service Dept.
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| Subject: | Re: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce) |
Since I have no wish to turn this into a flame war and will not do so I
will respond to this once and not another word will follow. This was not
the first straw with them but the last, hence the post "Does it again".
And I am sure you will find that my comment was not the first about
problems at their company.
My first order with them was for several thousand dollars and included
the spruce kit, plywood and a number of building materials. The
description of a spruce kit as written and given by a sales person it
contained "All of the spruce necessary to build the plane." At the same
time I placed an order for the seperate cap strips. The shipment was a
comedy of errors where an completly different pricing and shipping
method was given to me weeks after the initial order was placed. I was
prepared to be patient but when you get a different story each time you
are communicated with, which prompts more questions which lead to more
diverse answers it gets irritating. When the shipment arrived I did an
inventory and found that much more spruce was needed, and that several
pieces were miscut. Further they insisted on charging me shipping for
the cap strip kit they forgot until allot of discussion with a manager
fixed the issue. I commented on this and got a few replies and I quote;
"Their initials aren't A.S.S. for nothing." I gave up on even trying to
deal with the issue of the complete spruce kit not being so complete.
A few months go by and I needed a few things (hinge bolts etc.) that I
already had the part numbers for and decide to give it another try. I
placed and order and got part of it. Their rep is correct that they did
not reach me by phone but they did reach me by email and by at least
three people who all had a different idea of what the situation was, one
wanted to reship everything. The final straw was when, as you can read
in my cut and paste of their email, they cancelled the backorder due to
it's low value not due to the cost of shipping, size of the cut etc.
Further they just emailed me asking if they could ship a 2ft piece and a
4ft piece that they had, not if they could cut the 6ft piece for
shipping. The rep's post on the forum implied that they had a 6ft piece
to cut and not that they had found some end pieces which won't work as I
need two 3ft pieces.
When a company does well, like Ken's awesome cowls that I bought one of,
Mr Pietenpol's family with their great plans service I have no problem
saying great job. When a company seems to screw up as a practice, I am
going to say something. Of course it is the rep's job to jump in and
give their side, and try to make it sound so reasonable and simple. So
take it all with a grain of salt but if you just do a simple comparison
of the stated reason for the backorder cancellation in the email and in
the rep's post you'll see that the story changed. Too much fuss over a
few feet of aluminum, but again it was more than that one thing.
We now leave days of our Piets and return you to your regularly
scheduled building.
-Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Matt Reeves
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A.S.S. Does it again. (Aircraft Spruce)
I think it's awesome that builders' lists and idea forums get this
type of customer service and follow up.
Aircraft Spruce is truly on the "cutting edge" of listening to their
customers and actually doing something about it.
In this world of instant messaging, blogs, and communications, it's
nice to have a company that really does care and realizes the importance
of customer needs.
Matt
Rochester, NY
Aircraft Spruce <info@aircraftspruce.com> wrote:
A customer of ours recently posted a comment to the Pietenpol group
about a backorder that was cancelled by Aircraft Spruce. Our Customer
Service department attempted to contact the customer by phone to advise
that the shipping on the one piece of tubing would be expensive, and to
ask if we could cut it for shipping. When they id not receive a reply,
they cancelled the backorder and notified the customer by email.
Unfortunately, they did not identify the item that was on backorder,
which led our customer to believe that other items (hardware) were
backordered, when they actually were shipped. We have extended our
apology to our customer and have shipped the backordered tubing at our
expense.
We greatly appreciate all the business we receive from Pietenpol
builders and if there is ever a question or concern regarding an order,
the Aircraft Spruce Customer Service department is ready to help.
Contact us at 877-477-7823 or customerservice@aircraftspruce.com.
Aircraft Spruce
Customer Service
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| Subject: | Main Landing Gear Length- baby bear's view |
Chris wrote-
>Mike is at 13.5, Brian is just under 12 , Frank P. is just about 15
>degrees.
>Knowing Mike to be closer to 12 degrees, I assume these estimates to be
>a little steeper then reality. We know Jack is at 13 and Greg and Dale are
>at 12.5. Dom Emch has the steepest at 15. He also reported Frank P.
>to be about the same as his. Chuck G. at 11 degrees said it was a bit
>harder
>to get a good full stall landing.
Mama Bear's bed is too soft, Papa Bear's bed is too hard, but Baby Bear's
bed (NX41CC, at 12.2 degrees deck angle sitting in the hangar, top longeron)
is just right! This airplane lands just about perfectly and I haven't hit
the tailwheel first yet. Sitting in the hangar in normal trim, the
dimension from the bottom of the aftmost edge of the tailpost to the hangar
floor is 12-1/2".
What is funny is that I want to write in BIG, BOLD LETTERS the same thing I
heard so many times as long as I've been a homebuilder but never an
experimental airplane flyer... "JUST FINISH THE AIRPLANE AND FLY IT-! YOU
WILL NEVER STOP SMILING!". Gone are the endless discussions about this and
that, nuts and bolts, possible improvements. 41CC is pretty close to a real
authentic "Improved Plans Built" Air Camper and it flies beautifully. It
isn't perfect, isn't the right airplane for everyone, isn't an instrument
platform, will tax you on a long cross-country, but if you know you're a
Pietenpol person already, hurry up and finish your airplane because it will
scratch your itch and tickle your fancy just right. Finish it and fly it,
then you can improve and tweak it later! Winter time is for modifying and
reworking, but we're now getting into springtime and that means flying so
just put the glue on the wood or it will never start curing.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length- baby bear's view |
Oscar,
Your absolutely right. I tell my self to stop trying to be so perfect but I
often refer to my self as the "Imperfect Perfectionist". I just have to
have it right or I don't like it and rarely do I like anything I do because
I know I could do it better if I did it again. The new gear legs will be
the third set I will make. I've gotten quite good at it, if I do say so my
self. The first set were out of pine (2x4's) and the second are spruce but
to long. The last will be spruce. I will move on accepting that they may
not be perfect but I can live with that.
Actually, I truly enjoy the planning, the thinking, and the endless sketches
of airplane parts (usually at work during meetings). Everywhere in my cube
are pictures of plane parts, notes on how to do this and how to do that, old
NACA papers and old EAA articles. Do you have any idea how excited I was to
find a copy of ANC 18 and 19? That was a good day.I think I enjoy this as
much as I enjoy thinking about flying it when its done.
By the way, if I saved all this building for the winter, I don't how I could
get all this work in the one month of winter here in California. Today's
high 60's Saturday mid 70's. Sunday maybe 80.
Thanks for the dimensions and the kick in the butt to get er' done. I waste
most of my time thinking way to much.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Main Landing Gear Length- baby bear's view
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Chris wrote-
>
>>Mike is at 13.5, Brian is just under 12 , Frank P. is just about 15
>>degrees.
>>Knowing Mike to be closer to 12 degrees, I assume these estimates to be
>>a little steeper then reality. We know Jack is at 13 and Greg and Dale
>>are
>>at 12.5. Dom Emch has the steepest at 15. He also reported Frank P.
>>to be about the same as his. Chuck G. at 11 degrees said it was a bit
>>harder
>>to get a good full stall landing.
>
> Mama Bear's bed is too soft, Papa Bear's bed is too hard, but Baby Bear's
> bed (NX41CC, at 12.2 degrees deck angle sitting in the hangar, top
> longeron) is just right! This airplane lands just about perfectly and I
> haven't hit the tailwheel first yet. Sitting in the hangar in normal
> trim, the dimension from the bottom of the aftmost edge of the tailpost to
> the hangar floor is 12-1/2".
>
> What is funny is that I want to write in BIG, BOLD LETTERS the same thing
> I heard so many times as long as I've been a homebuilder but never an
> experimental airplane flyer... "JUST FINISH THE AIRPLANE AND FLY IT-! YOU
> WILL NEVER STOP SMILING!". Gone are the endless discussions about this
> and that, nuts and bolts, possible improvements. 41CC is pretty close to
> a real authentic "Improved Plans Built" Air Camper and it flies
> beautifully. It isn't perfect, isn't the right airplane for everyone,
> isn't an instrument platform, will tax you on a long cross-country, but if
> you know you're a Pietenpol person already, hurry up and finish your
> airplane because it will scratch your itch and tickle your fancy just
> right. Finish it and fly it, then you can improve and tweak it later!
> Winter time is for modifying and reworking, but we're now getting into
> springtime and that means flying so just put the glue on the wood or it
> will never start curing.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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| Subject: | Axel location Clarifications |
Hi, it's me again. Just a few last questions. After searching the archives
there are some things that need to be clarified about axel placement.
Greg Cardinal's and Dale Johnson's axel location sems to float around in the
archives. I've seen pictures of the plane and I know the axel is in a fixed
position.
In the archives:
Chris Bobbka said 21-inches aft of the firewall in his landing gear
analysis.
Then Chris and Dale reported it as a 7 inch sweep (which would put it at
19")
Greg later said 20-inches.
Then Greg says 19-inches
Question: Greg or Dale, what is the true location of your axel?
Dick Navratil: Is you axel location at 19" aft of the fire wall on a
short fuselage? How about the location on your new piet?
Lastly, anyone have the weight and balance spreadsheet Jon Dilatush
offered to send out concerning the Weight an Balance of his Mountain
Piet?
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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