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1. 12:32 AM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
2. 12:35 AM - Side View (Catdesigns)
3. 12:39 AM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Peter W Johnson)
4. 12:44 AM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Peter W Johnson)
5. 02:45 AM - Re: Weight and balance advise (Wizzard187@aol.com)
6. 07:22 AM - wire wheels (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 07:52 AM - a ready-made source for wire wheels: Flyboys (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 08:47 AM - Re: a ready-made source for wire wheels: Flyboys (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
9. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
10. 09:16 AM - Air Camper with Scout Gear (Catdesigns)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (Gene Rambo)
12. 09:45 AM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
13. 10:00 AM - Re: Weight and balance advise (Gordon Bowen)
14. 10:15 AM - Re: Weight and balance advise (Rcaprd@aol.com)
15. 10:38 AM - coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
16. 10:41 AM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (gcardinal)
17. 10:57 AM - RF modulator (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
18. 11:19 AM - >From: "Don Emch" ()
19. 11:28 AM - Re: coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders (Isablcorky@aol.com)
20. 11:51 AM - Air Camper with Scout Gear (Bill Princell)
21. 12:11 PM - Re: coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
22. 12:17 PM - Wing drag wires (skellytownflyer)
23. 01:16 PM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (walt evans)
24. 01:21 PM - Re: Wing drag wires (walt evans)
25. 01:54 PM - Re: Wing drag wires ()
26. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Peter W Johnson)
27. 03:33 PM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (Rick Holland)
28. 03:34 PM - Covered wire wheels (HelsperSew@aol.com)
29. 04:08 PM - Re: Covered wire wheels (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
30. 06:53 PM - Re: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares (Clif Dawson)
31. 06:56 PM - Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Clif Dawson)
32. 07:10 PM - Re: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares (Catdesigns)
33. 07:25 PM - Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
34. 07:30 PM - Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (gcardinal)
35. 07:56 PM - Re: >From: "Don Emch" (Don Emch)
36. 08:03 PM - Re: Covered wire wheels (Don Emch)
37. 08:14 PM - Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Don Emch)
38. 08:28 PM - Re: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares (Clif Dawson)
39. 08:50 PM - Re: Axel location Clarifications (Dick Navratil)
40. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Main Landing Gear Length (Catdesigns)
41. 08:57 PM - Re: Wing drag wires (Dick Navratil)
42. 09:59 PM - Re: Axel location Clarifications (Catdesigns)
43. 11:32 PM - Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Don,
Thanks for the information. I'm having trouble making your dimensions work.
When I draw them out I get a deck angle of 11 degrees. Everyone look at
Drawing No. 3 of the plans, I'm using the 48.5-inch dimension minus half of
the 19-inch wheels to locate the axel 39" below the top longeron
(48.5"-9.5"=39"). This is where I believe the axel will end up on the plans
built split axel gear. Have I done something wrong in my attached drawing?
To have gotten 15 degrees it looks like you would have had to lengthen the
gear 9 inches. I looked at your pictures again and you wheels appear to be
well below the bottom of the fuselage.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/DSCN03791.jpg
In the attached drawing the wheel is only 3-inches below the bottom
longeron.
Don, do you know the wheel base (distance between the wheels)? Maybe its
narrower then it's supposed to be and that's why your gear is tall. Are you
sure about this angle? How far is your axel below the fuselage? How about
Franks?
Good grief it's 12:37 am and I'm really confused ............ Guess I will
go to bed.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Hi Chris,
> My gear is the steel split axle basically right off of the plans. I'm
> using 19" rims with a 3.20/3.60 tire which makes the total tire height
> somewhere around 26". I went this route because of a picture I saw
> several years ago of Mr. Pietenpol's 12988 that he built. He used the
> split axle gear with wire wheels. My deck angle is around 15 degrees.
> Over the nose visibility isn't the best in the three-point but it's easy
> to get used to. The landing characteristics are really nice as long as I
> get it slow enough to stall into the three-point touchdown, which with a
> little headwind seems ridiculously slow.
> Not too long ago Frank Pavliga and I were discussing how similar our
> deck angles were and how the view out of each others ships on the ground
> is almost the same. He did mention that he used to have a different gear
> on his. It was intentionally built with the axle moved forward. They
> didn't like that so they built one with the correct proportions. They did
> make it proportional though to the longer fuselage. The Flying and Glider
> Manual gear was designed for the shorter Flying and Glider Manual fuelage.
> It is shorter than the short version of the 1933 plans. Frank said he
> simply took the measurements from that original gear and scaled them up to
> match the correct proportions of the longest fuselage (the Corvair '60s
> fuselage). This gave the deck angle on his that would have been similar
> to what would have been on the shortest fuselage Flying and Glider Manual
> ship. He is currently running 21" rims. He used to have 18" rims, but
> those are now on the Waco 9.
> My tailpost is probably somewhere around 9 or 10 inches off the ground.
> Probably a couple inces higher than just having a skid. It's a 4" wheel
> and I kept the spring pretty short.
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
>
> Chris, I really enjoy your website. It's really great of you to provide
> this resource to everyone. I know I could not have built mine without
> being able to see other projects.
> Really looking forward to our field firming up a little so I can get it
> dirty again!
> Don Emch
> Nx899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99751#99751
>
>
>
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Anyone have a really good side view of Don's plane or Sky Gypsy (Frank P.)?
Knowing the wheel size I can probably determine the distance the axels are
below the fuselage.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Don,
19 inch wheels, what about tyre size?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Don,
Thanks for the information. I'm having trouble making your dimensions work.
When I draw them out I get a deck angle of 11 degrees. Everyone look at
Drawing No. 3 of the plans, I'm using the 48.5-inch dimension minus half of
the 19-inch wheels to locate the axel 39" below the top longeron
(48.5"-9.5"=39"). This is where I believe the axel will end up on the plans
built split axel gear. Have I done something wrong in my attached drawing?
To have gotten 15 degrees it looks like you would have had to lengthen the
gear 9 inches. I looked at your pictures again and you wheels appear to be
well below the bottom of the fuselage.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/DSCN03791.jpg
In the attached drawing the wheel is only 3-inches below the bottom
longeron.
Don, do you know the wheel base (distance between the wheels)? Maybe its
narrower then it's supposed to be and that's why your gear is tall. Are you
sure about this angle? How far is your axel below the fuselage? How about
Franks?
Good grief it's 12:37 am and I'm really confused ............ Guess I will
go to bed.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Hi Chris,
> My gear is the steel split axle basically right off of the plans. I'm
> using 19" rims with a 3.20/3.60 tire which makes the total tire height
> somewhere around 26". I went this route because of a picture I saw
> several years ago of Mr. Pietenpol's 12988 that he built. He used the
> split axle gear with wire wheels. My deck angle is around 15 degrees.
> Over the nose visibility isn't the best in the three-point but it's easy
> to get used to. The landing characteristics are really nice as long as I
> get it slow enough to stall into the three-point touchdown, which with a
> little headwind seems ridiculously slow.
> Not too long ago Frank Pavliga and I were discussing how similar our
> deck angles were and how the view out of each others ships on the ground
> is almost the same. He did mention that he used to have a different gear
> on his. It was intentionally built with the axle moved forward. They
> didn't like that so they built one with the correct proportions. They did
> make it proportional though to the longer fuselage. The Flying and Glider
> Manual gear was designed for the shorter Flying and Glider Manual fuelage.
> It is shorter than the short version of the 1933 plans. Frank said he
> simply took the measurements from that original gear and scaled them up to
> match the correct proportions of the longest fuselage (the Corvair '60s
> fuselage). This gave the deck angle on his that would have been similar
> to what would have been on the shortest fuselage Flying and Glider Manual
> ship. He is currently running 21" rims. He used to have 18" rims, but
> those are now on the Waco 9.
> My tailpost is probably somewhere around 9 or 10 inches off the ground.
> Probably a couple inces higher than just having a skid. It's a 4" wheel
> and I kept the spring pretty short.
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
>
> Chris, I really enjoy your website. It's really great of you to provide
> this resource to everyone. I know I could not have built mine without
> being able to see other projects.
> Really looking forward to our field firming up a little so I can get it
> dirty again!
> Don Emch
> Nx899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99751#99751
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Sorry Chris, this should have been addressed to you.
Peter.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
<vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Don,
19 inch wheels, what about tyre size?
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Don,
Thanks for the information. I'm having trouble making your dimensions work.
When I draw them out I get a deck angle of 11 degrees. Everyone look at
Drawing No. 3 of the plans, I'm using the 48.5-inch dimension minus half of
the 19-inch wheels to locate the axel 39" below the top longeron
(48.5"-9.5"=39"). This is where I believe the axel will end up on the plans
built split axel gear. Have I done something wrong in my attached drawing?
To have gotten 15 degrees it looks like you would have had to lengthen the
gear 9 inches. I looked at your pictures again and you wheels appear to be
well below the bottom of the fuselage.
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/DSCN03791.jpg
In the attached drawing the wheel is only 3-inches below the bottom
longeron.
Don, do you know the wheel base (distance between the wheels)? Maybe its
narrower then it's supposed to be and that's why your gear is tall. Are you
sure about this angle? How far is your axel below the fuselage? How about
Franks?
Good grief it's 12:37 am and I'm really confused ............ Guess I will
go to bed.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Hi Chris,
> My gear is the steel split axle basically right off of the plans. I'm
> using 19" rims with a 3.20/3.60 tire which makes the total tire height
> somewhere around 26". I went this route because of a picture I saw
> several years ago of Mr. Pietenpol's 12988 that he built. He used the
> split axle gear with wire wheels. My deck angle is around 15 degrees.
> Over the nose visibility isn't the best in the three-point but it's easy
> to get used to. The landing characteristics are really nice as long as I
> get it slow enough to stall into the three-point touchdown, which with a
> little headwind seems ridiculously slow.
> Not too long ago Frank Pavliga and I were discussing how similar our
> deck angles were and how the view out of each others ships on the ground
> is almost the same. He did mention that he used to have a different gear
> on his. It was intentionally built with the axle moved forward. They
> didn't like that so they built one with the correct proportions. They did
> make it proportional though to the longer fuselage. The Flying and Glider
> Manual gear was designed for the shorter Flying and Glider Manual fuelage.
> It is shorter than the short version of the 1933 plans. Frank said he
> simply took the measurements from that original gear and scaled them up to
> match the correct proportions of the longest fuselage (the Corvair '60s
> fuselage). This gave the deck angle on his that would have been similar
> to what would have been on the shortest fuselage Flying and Glider Manual
> ship. He is currently running 21" rims. He used to have 18" rims, but
> those are now on the Waco 9.
> My tailpost is probably somewhere around 9 or 10 inches off the ground.
> Probably a couple inces higher than just having a skid. It's a 4" wheel
> and I kept the spring pretty short.
>
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
>
> Chris, I really enjoy your website. It's really great of you to provide
> this resource to everyone. I know I could not have built mine without
> being able to see other projects.
> Really looking forward to our field firming up a little so I can get it
> dirty again!
> Don Emch
> Nx899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99751#99751
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance advise |
Pieters, When you fill out your wt and balance for the FAA paperwork what
wt. do you use. Your wt., 170 lbs or something in between? I Iowa with
electricity and starting to look like spring
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Hmmmmmm.....just ran across this. Have no additional info:
http://www.americanwire.com/
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| Subject: | a ready-made source for wire wheels: Flyboys |
Group,
A friend in North Carolina is retrofitting his GN-1 with wire wheels and
he wanted me to make him a set but not having the time or
desire I steered him to this site which is the gent that made the wire
wheels for some of the airplanes that they built/used in the movie
Flyboys.
There are tons of good photos and measurements and the price seems very
reasonable. Check it out if you feel the need for catching bugs
in your spokes.
Mike C.
http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76
Two welded hubs sell for $195 per pair and have a larger inside hub
with a bolt hole pattern for a brake.
Wheel kits ready to be laced with 2 tires, 2 tubes and 2 bearing sets
sell for $495. This also includes a step-by-step detailed video.
The weight of 2 hubs is "about" 2 lbs.
(We couldn't get them to register on a digital scale.)
The weight of ONE wheel complete with tire and tube is 18 lbs.
So, two COMPLETE wheels will weigh 36 lbs.
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| Subject: | Re: a ready-made source for wire wheels: Flyboys |
Hey Mikey,
You've probably told me this already, but with a 30 second memory span, I
want to ask again. How are guys (or gals) covering their wheels. This
Scout's wheels look outstanding to me.
Ron
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Peter,
Shown on the plans, the overall height of the tire and rim combo is 19
inches. The plans show the height of the upper longeron above the ground.
Therefore I subtracted half the height of the tire-rim combo to arrive at
the distance the axel lies below the upper longeron. I believe you built
your using the British plans so you may not have this drawing.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Sorry Chris, this should have been addressed to you.
>
> Peter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
> Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Don,
>
> 19 inch wheels, what about tyre size?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
> Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Don,
>
> Thanks for the information. I'm having trouble making your dimensions
> work.
>
> When I draw them out I get a deck angle of 11 degrees. Everyone look at
> Drawing No. 3 of the plans, I'm using the 48.5-inch dimension minus half
> of
> the 19-inch wheels to locate the axel 39" below the top longeron
> (48.5"-9.5"=39"). This is where I believe the axel will end up on the
> plans
>
> built split axel gear. Have I done something wrong in my attached
> drawing?
> To have gotten 15 degrees it looks like you would have had to lengthen the
> gear 9 inches. I looked at your pictures again and you wheels appear to
> be
> well below the bottom of the fuselage.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/DSCN03791.jpg
> In the attached drawing the wheel is only 3-inches below the bottom
> longeron.
>
> Don, do you know the wheel base (distance between the wheels)? Maybe its
> narrower then it's supposed to be and that's why your gear is tall. Are
> you
> sure about this angle? How far is your axel below the fuselage? How
> about
> Franks?
>
> Good grief it's 12:37 am and I'm really confused ............ Guess I will
> go to bed.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:32 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> My gear is the steel split axle basically right off of the plans. I'm
>> using 19" rims with a 3.20/3.60 tire which makes the total tire height
>> somewhere around 26". I went this route because of a picture I saw
>> several years ago of Mr. Pietenpol's 12988 that he built. He used the
>> split axle gear with wire wheels. My deck angle is around 15 degrees.
>> Over the nose visibility isn't the best in the three-point but it's easy
>> to get used to. The landing characteristics are really nice as long as I
>> get it slow enough to stall into the three-point touchdown, which with a
>> little headwind seems ridiculously slow.
>> Not too long ago Frank Pavliga and I were discussing how similar our
>> deck angles were and how the view out of each others ships on the ground
>> is almost the same. He did mention that he used to have a different gear
>> on his. It was intentionally built with the axle moved forward. They
>> didn't like that so they built one with the correct proportions. They
>> did
>
>> make it proportional though to the longer fuselage. The Flying and
>> Glider
>
>> Manual gear was designed for the shorter Flying and Glider Manual
>> fuelage.
>
>> It is shorter than the short version of the 1933 plans. Frank said he
>> simply took the measurements from that original gear and scaled them up
>> to
>
>> match the correct proportions of the longest fuselage (the Corvair '60s
>> fuselage). This gave the deck angle on his that would have been similar
>> to what would have been on the shortest fuselage Flying and Glider Manual
>> ship. He is currently running 21" rims. He used to have 18" rims, but
>> those are now on the Waco 9.
>> My tailpost is probably somewhere around 9 or 10 inches off the ground.
>> Probably a couple inces higher than just having a skid. It's a 4" wheel
>> and I kept the spring pretty short.
>>
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
>>
>> Chris, I really enjoy your website. It's really great of you to
>> provide
>
>> this resource to everyone. I know I could not have built mine without
>> being able to see other projects.
>> Really looking forward to our field firming up a little so I can get it
>> dirty again!
>> Don Emch
>> Nx899DE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99751#99751
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Air Camper with Scout Gear |
I came across this Air Camper for sale on Barnstormers.com. Over the years a
few people have asked about possibility of installing the Scout landing gear
on an Air Camper. This is the first Air Camper I have seen with this type of
gear. I guess this answers the question of will it work. There are a
couple of more pictures in the add on Barnstormers.com
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
Given the way the gear fittings look, and the steps on the side, this
looks like it may be a steel tube fuselage.
Gene
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From: Catdesigns<mailto:catdesigns@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper with Scout Gear
I came across this Air Camper for sale on Barnstormers.com. Over the
years a
few people have asked about possibility of installing the Scout
landing gear
on an Air Camper. This is the first Air Camper I have seen with this
type of
gear. I guess this answers the question of will it work. There are a
couple of more pictures in the add on Barnstormers.com
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com<http://www.westcoastpiet.com/>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
Note that it must be a steel tube fuselage given the style of fixed tube
step it wears.
michael silvius
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper with Scout Gear
> I came across this Air Camper for sale on Barnstormers.com. Over the years
a
> few people have asked about possibility of installing the Scout landing
gear
> on an Air Camper. This is the first Air Camper I have seen with this type
of
> gear. I guess this answers the question of will it work. There are a
> couple of more pictures in the add on Barnstormers.com
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance advise |
I had to do a w/b recently for DAR on Cozy. He wanted 1) a sample
envelope showing most forward and rear empty CG, 2) within this envelope
a sample loading showing max. allowable weight, and min. allowable
weight. 3) a sample calculation showing typical loadings with arms for
each movable thing ie. pilot, passengers, baggage, fuel. The DAR wanted
to see it kinda like you'd see a typical write-up in a C-172 or any
storebought spamcan manual.
Gordon
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From: Wizzard187@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance advise
Pieters, When you fill out your wt and balance for the FAA paperwork
what wt. do you use. Your wt., 170 lbs or something in between? I
Iowa with electricity and starting to look like spring
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance advise |
In a message dated 3/10/2007 4:47:01 AM Central Standard Time,
Wizzard187@aol.com writes:
Pieters, When you fill out your wt and balance for the FAA paperwork what
wt. do you use. Your wt., 170 lbs or something in between? I Iowa with
electricity and starting to look like spring
The primary weight and balance should be the empty weight...no fuel, no
passengers. Then you can do seperate calculations to show loading configurations.
I listed all of my calculations at the bottom of this page of my web site :
_http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html_
(http://nx770cg.com/OperationsManual.html)
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders |
Ron,
I have no idea how many wire-wheeled Piets have coverings over the
spokes but as a very rough guess I would say perhaps 20% ? Frank
Pavliga and I went round and round about this some time back and we both
concluded that whatever the builder/owner prefers is the correct choice
!
As an aside, I have to post this question to you guys because there must
be something that I'm overlooking. My wife got me a DVD recorder for
Christmas and I just got around to hooking it up and I cannot for the
life of me get the menu to come up on my tv. Here are the facts.
TV only has antenna input---nothing else.
I have linked an antenna to my VHS deck antenna in.
I joined the VHS deck to the DVD deck with the multi-color
audio/video/stereo cable. (VHS outputs to DVD inputs)
Connected DVD coaxial cable to tv antenna in.
I have the VHS on "line"
I have my TV on "line"
The remote has fresh batteries and as far as I can tell I'm going thru
the sequence fine in the instruction manual.
Any ideas from the genius pool out there ? (you all are....come on
now and I substantiate that by the fact that you are on this list !)
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
It may not be a steel tube fuselage. NX18235 has a similar fixed step on a
wood fuselage. It is a steel tube mounted through two blocks of wood which
are glued to the top of the lower longerons.
Greg C.
> <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Note that it must be a steel tube fuselage given the style of fixed tube
> step it wears.
>
> michael silvius
>
>
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> From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:21 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper with Scout Gear
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I love Google.com I just found out what I need to buy from Radio
Shack to make my older tv in the studio work with my DVD recorder.
Here's my solution and thank you in advance to guys out there who
already were either smart enough to know this or actually have
up to date tv sets with a/v inputs.
Mike C.
So, what is a person to do? Most people have their antenna or cable
connected to the VCR and, from there, the VCR is connected to their TV.
However, how can you connect a DVD player to your TV, if your TV doesn't
have AV inputs that are compatible with the DVD player? Secondly, how
can you connect both your VCR and DVD player your TV at the same time if
your TV only has one cable or antenna input?
The answer to the above questions is a little black box that has been
around for years called an RF modulator (Radio Frequency Modulator). The
function of an RF modulator is simple. The RF modulator converts the
video (and/or audio) output of a DVD player (or camcorder or video game)
into a channel 3/4 signal that is compatible with a TV's cable or
antenna input.
There are many RF modulators available, but all function in a similar
fashion. The main feature of an RF modulator is that makes it perfectly
suited for use with DVD is the capacity for it to accept the standard
audio/video outputs of a DVD player and the cable input (even passed
through a VCR) simultaneously.
Setting your RF modulator is fairly straightforward:
First: Just plug your cable/vcr output into its cable input connection
of the RF modulator and the DVD player into the RF modulator's AV
inputs.
Second: Connect a standard cable from the RF modulator to your TV.
Third: Select either the channel 3 or 4 output on the back of the RF
modulator.
Fourth: Turn the TV on and the RF modulator will automatically detect
your cable input for the TV. When you want to watch your DVD player,
just put the TV on channel 3 or 4, turn the DVD on and the RF modulator
will automatically detect the DVD player and will display your movie.
Although there are minor differences in brands of RF modulators the set
up is basically as outlined above.
Additional Considerations
If you don't have a stereo system you can also hookup the DVD player's
stereo outputs to the RF modulator as well. Obviously you won't get the
benefits of surround sound, but you will hear the audio through the TV's
speakers. Also, you won't get the full benefits of a DVD quality picture
and the conversion from video to RF (cable) downgrades the resolution.
However, as you switch between your VCR and DVD you will notice the
quality of the DVD image is still superior than anything you probably
have viewed on your TV.
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The picture you sent of the rear of your aircraft is the picture I have
been waiting for. I needed to know the entry point of the cables for the
rear wheel control. Thank you very much. Just one more thing I need to
know; do you use pulleys to direct the cables to the rudder peddles or
do you take them there directly? Thanks for any info you can give.
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| Subject: | Re: coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders |
Try this
On your remote there should be a TV/VIDEO button. Have your tv ON and your
DVD ON. Press the TV/Video button 2 times until video 2 appears. Then use your
DVD remote to PLAY your pic
Ole Rebel
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| Subject: | Air Camper with Scout Gear |
I can confirm that the Air Camper with the Scout gear is wood/fabric
construction. I helped the previous owner with repairs while it was based at
LaBelle, Fl early last year. It was previously based at Punta Gorda and had
suffered damage from hurricane Charley. Overall workmanship by the original
A&P builder and also the previous owner who rebuilt it was excellent. A very
nice airplane. Pictures attached.
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
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| Subject: | Re: coverd wire wheels & DVD recorders |
Mike,
You must have misunderstood me. I was wondering exactly what the material
is that the wheels are covered with. Is it fabric?
Ron
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Ok next question-what are you guys using as size for the brace cables that run
in the same plane as the wing struts-(the X brace cables.) I cannot find size
or rigging drawing on the GN-1 plans.I am sure I got the idea that 3/16" cable
was called for, but have talked to a pietenpol flyer using 1/8" cables.Anybody
that could help me I'd apreciate it-I have the Carleson aluminum wing struts
and would like to know the X-brace cable will take their share if the load.also
anyone with a good price on turnbuckles out there?Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
Bill,
Do you have any pictures of how the steps were secured inside?
walt evans
NX140DL
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Princell
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper with Scout Gear
I can confirm that the Air Camper with the Scout gear is wood/fabric
construction. I helped the previous owner with repairs while it was
based at LaBelle, Fl early last year. It was previously based at Punta
Gorda and had suffered damage from hurricane Charley. Overall
workmanship by the original A&P builder and also the previous owner who
rebuilt it was excellent. A very nice airplane. Pictures attached.
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Wing drag wires |
I used 1/8" throughout.
I'm thinking you are remembering 3/32" not 3/16".
3/32" was commonly used on the older planes.
If you at this point on the wings,,,,,bone up on "trammeling" in the
archives.
walt evans
NX140DL
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From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing drag wires
> <hanover@centramedia.net>
>
> Ok next question-what are you guys using as size for the brace cables that
> run in the same plane as the wing struts-(the X brace cables.) I cannot
> find size or rigging drawing on the GN-1 plans.I am sure I got the idea
> that 3/16" cable was called for, but have talked to a pietenpol flyer
> using 1/8" cables.Anybody that could help me I'd apreciate it-I have the
> Carleson aluminum wing struts and would like to know the X-brace cable
> will take their share if the load.also anyone with a good price on
> turnbuckles out there?Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99828#99828
>
>
>
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I used 1/8th on mine.
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skellytownflyer
Sent: March 10, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing drag wires
<hanover@centramedia.net>
Ok next question-what are you guys using as size for the brace cables
that run in the same plane as the wing struts-(the X brace cables.) I
cannot find size or rigging drawing on the GN-1 plans.I am sure I got
the idea that 3/16" cable was called for, but have talked to a
pietenpol flyer using 1/8" cables.Anybody that could help me I'd
apreciate it-I have the Carleson aluminum wing struts and would like to
know the X-brace cable will take their share if the load.also anyone
with a good price on turnbuckles out there?Raymond
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Chris,
Yes I do have the drawing. The British plans are the same as the plans I
bought from Don Pietenpol but with some modifications. It's just that my
rims are 18 inch with a 3.5 inch tyre. That makes for 25 inch diameter
wheel/tyre combo.
Cheers
Peter.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2007 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Peter,
Shown on the plans, the overall height of the tire and rim combo is 19
inches. The plans show the height of the upper longeron above the ground.
Therefore I subtracted half the height of the tire-rim combo to arrive at
the distance the axel lies below the upper longeron. I believe you built
your using the British plans so you may not have this drawing.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 12:44 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Sorry Chris, this should have been addressed to you.
>
> Peter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
> Johnson
> Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:39 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
>
> Don,
>
> 19 inch wheels, what about tyre size?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> Wonthaggi Australia
> http://www.cpc-world.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Catdesigns
> Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 7:38 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Don,
>
> Thanks for the information. I'm having trouble making your dimensions
> work.
>
> When I draw them out I get a deck angle of 11 degrees. Everyone look at
> Drawing No. 3 of the plans, I'm using the 48.5-inch dimension minus half
> of
> the 19-inch wheels to locate the axel 39" below the top longeron
> (48.5"-9.5"=39"). This is where I believe the axel will end up on the
> plans
>
> built split axel gear. Have I done something wrong in my attached
> drawing?
> To have gotten 15 degrees it looks like you would have had to lengthen the
> gear 9 inches. I looked at your pictures again and you wheels appear to
> be
> well below the bottom of the fuselage.
> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/DSCN03791.jpg
> In the attached drawing the wheel is only 3-inches below the bottom
> longeron.
>
> Don, do you know the wheel base (distance between the wheels)? Maybe its
> narrower then it's supposed to be and that's why your gear is tall. Are
> you
> sure about this angle? How far is your axel below the fuselage? How
> about
> Franks?
>
> Good grief it's 12:37 am and I'm really confused ............ Guess I will
> go to bed.
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 9:32 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
>
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> My gear is the steel split axle basically right off of the plans. I'm
>> using 19" rims with a 3.20/3.60 tire which makes the total tire height
>> somewhere around 26". I went this route because of a picture I saw
>> several years ago of Mr. Pietenpol's 12988 that he built. He used the
>> split axle gear with wire wheels. My deck angle is around 15 degrees.
>> Over the nose visibility isn't the best in the three-point but it's easy
>> to get used to. The landing characteristics are really nice as long as I
>> get it slow enough to stall into the three-point touchdown, which with a
>> little headwind seems ridiculously slow.
>> Not too long ago Frank Pavliga and I were discussing how similar our
>> deck angles were and how the view out of each others ships on the ground
>> is almost the same. He did mention that he used to have a different gear
>> on his. It was intentionally built with the axle moved forward. They
>> didn't like that so they built one with the correct proportions. They
>> did
>
>> make it proportional though to the longer fuselage. The Flying and
>> Glider
>
>> Manual gear was designed for the shorter Flying and Glider Manual
>> fuelage.
>
>> It is shorter than the short version of the 1933 plans. Frank said he
>> simply took the measurements from that original gear and scaled them up
>> to
>
>> match the correct proportions of the longest fuselage (the Corvair '60s
>> fuselage). This gave the deck angle on his that would have been similar
>> to what would have been on the shortest fuselage Flying and Glider Manual
>> ship. He is currently running 21" rims. He used to have 18" rims, but
>> those are now on the Waco 9.
>> My tailpost is probably somewhere around 9 or 10 inches off the ground.
>> Probably a couple inces higher than just having a skid. It's a 4" wheel
>> and I kept the spring pretty short.
>>
>> http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Don%20Emch/dscn0380_596.jpg
>>
>> Chris, I really enjoy your website. It's really great of you to
>> provide
>
>> this resource to everyone. I know I could not have built mine without
>> being able to see other projects.
>> Really looking forward to our field firming up a little so I can get it
>> dirty again!
>> Don Emch
>> Nx899DE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99751#99751
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
Very nice, the "Tigermoth" rudder and vert. stab. really give it a different
look, like the double fuselage side farings also.
Rick
On 3/10/07, Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I can confirm that the Air Camper with the Scout gear is wood/fabric
> construction. I helped the previous owner with repairs while it was based at
> LaBelle, Fl early last year. It was previously based at Punta Gorda and had
> suffered damage from hurricane Charley. Overall workmanship by the original
> A&P builder and also the previous owner who rebuilt it was excellent. A very
> nice airplane. Pictures attached.
>
> Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
>
--
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| Subject: | Covered wire wheels |
Ron,
Last year at Brodhead Dennis Hall (Sky Scout) was explaining in great detail
to anyone interested, exactly how he covered his wire wheels. Yes, this is
the same fabric that is used to cover the airplane. For some great detail
shots, go to _westcoastpiet.com_ (mip://02af1e10/westcoastpiet.com) and look at
the pictures under Dennis Hall. This is how he did it.
Deflate the tires completely and break all the beads free. Cut a piece of
plywood (1/8"?) in the form of a circle, with the O.D. about 4" (I'm
guessing) and the I.D. about 2". Cut a piece of fabric and lay it out on the wheel.
Cut it round, maybe 2 inches greater in diameter all around than the rims.
Glue the plywood circle to the fabric in the center (on the inside face). Cut
slits to the inside of the plywood circle and wrap the ends around and glue
in place, forming the center hole. This glued plywood center hole becomes
"free floating" for the rest of the procedure. Now lay the circular fabric
piece out over the wire rim, with the plywood inner circle, facing to the inside.
Cut slits in the fabric where it extends beyond the rim, wrapping it and
gluing to the inside of the rim (this glued portion will be hidden once the
tire is inflated again.) Carefully take your iron and heat the fabric in such
a
way as to always keep the plywood circle where it should be in the center.
Mask the tire and paint the fabric. When painting is complete, simply re
inflate the tire and vooala!, there you have it!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: Covered wire wheels |
In a message dated 3/10/2007 6:35:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
HelsperSew@aol.com writes:
Ron,
Last year at Brodhead Dennis Hall (Sky Scout) was explaining in great detail
to anyone interested, exactly how he covered his wire wheels. Yes, this is
the same fabric that is used to cover the airplane. For some great detail
shots, go to _westcoastpiet.com_ (mip://02af1e10/westcoastpiet.com) and look at
the pictures under Dennis Hall. This is how he did it.
Deflate the tires completely and break all the beads free. Cut a piece of
plywood (1/8"?) in the form of a circle, with the O.D. about 4" (I'm
guessing) and the I.D. about 2". Cut a piece of fabric and lay it out on the wheel.
Cut it round, maybe 2 inches greater in diameter all around than the rims.
Glue the plywood circle to the fabric in the center (on the inside face). Cut
slits to the inside of the plywood circle and wrap the ends around and glue
in place, forming the center hole. This glued plywood center hole becomes
"free floating" for the rest of the procedure. Now lay the circular fabric
piece out over the wire rim, with the plywood inner circle, facing to the inside.
Cut slits in the fabric where it extends beyond the rim, wrapping it and
gluing to the inside of the rim (this glued portion will be hidden once the
tire is inflated again.) Carefully take your iron and heat the fabric in such
a
way as to always keep the plywood circle where it should be in the center.
Mask the tire and paint the fabric. When painting is complete, simply re
inflate the tire and vooala!, there you have it!!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
Dan,
Thanks for taking the time to give me the lesson. I get it! And it seems
like it might even be fairly easy. I check out _westcoastpiet.com_
(mip://02af1e10/westcoastpiet.com) , as well as Chuck's web site and others,
several
times a week. I've viewed those specific photos (Dennis Hall's ship) quite
often.
Thanks again.
Ron
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Go here and follow the pics then clik to page 4
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html
Clif
"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're
right!"
~ Henry Ford
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares
The wood gear legs (for me anyway) were the single most difficult part
of the entire airplane but you can be assured
that your type of gear legs with the wire wheels will set your
airplane apart from every single other airplane and it is
the very first thing that people will admire and enjoy talking about,
looking at, and taking pictures of.
Mike C.
PS....the wood gear and wire wheels were well worth all the troubles,
headaches, gnashing of teeth, and money.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
The one important thing I have not seen any mention of
in this entire thread is the relationship of axle position
relative to the wing.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Here are a few pics that I imported into a CAD program, then sketched
a few lines over the image, to approximate the "ground level" and the
top longeron, then measured the angle. It's not really precise, since
the pictures are not perfectly parallel to the planes, and the ground
surface becomes "fuzzy" with grass, but it gives an approximation. One
thing that becomes apparent is that there do seem to be variations in
the resulting angles. About a 4 or 5 degree range, which backs up the
calculations arrived at by Chris Tracy.
Overall, I get the feeling that adegree or so this way or that from
the target (13=B0) ain't gonna hurt.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares |
Clif
I'm actually out in the garage working on the gear right now.
Take a look at the picture and you can see I stole your design. I mean,
I was inspired by your design to create a similar product manufactured
for less in China.. It works great by the way.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares
Go here and follow the pics then clik to page 4
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html
Clif
"Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're
right!"
~ Henry Ford
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 7:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares
The wood gear legs (for me anyway) were the single most difficult
part of the entire airplane but you can be assured
that your type of gear legs with the wire wheels will set your
airplane apart from every single other airplane and it is
the very first thing that people will admire and enjoy talking
about, looking at, and taking pictures of.
Mike C.
PS....the wood gear and wire wheels were well worth all the
troubles, headaches, gnashing of teeth, and money.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Because it's a big can of worms....
But you did ask so, mine is at 21-inches back of the fire wall. But my
firewall is pushed forward 4 inches which in reality makes the axle 17
inches behind the real place for the firewall. But then again the
pilots seat is 2-inches further aft then the plans show. I plan on
moving the wing back about 3 or 4 inches (I'm a light tall skinny guy)
which should make me move the axle back more but I plan on using brakes
which would move the axel forward. So who knows if I'm right in my
placement.
Sorry to anyone who thinks I shouldn't have changed the design. It was
a long time ago and I was much younger then. But still I will have to
live with my sin. (If you cant follow my rambling the fuselage is
basically a long fuselage (+2-inches added the first bay) back the rear
seat back then it's the short fuselage to the tail.)
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
The one important thing I have not seen any mention of
in this entire thread is the relationship of axle position
relative to the wing.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Here are a few pics that I imported into a CAD program, then
sketched a few lines over the image, to approximate the "ground level"
and the top longeron, then measured the angle. It's not really precise,
since the pictures are not perfectly parallel to the planes, and the
ground surface becomes "fuzzy" with grass, but it gives an
approximation. One thing that becomes apparent is that there do seem to
be variations in the resulting angles. About a 4 or 5 degree range,
which backs up the calculations arrived at by Chris Tracy.
Overall, I get the feeling that adegree or so this way or that from
the target (13=B0) ain't gonna hurt.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
The axle on NX18235 is 6.5" aft of the leading edge of the wing when in
a level attitude.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
The one important thing I have not seen any mention of
in this entire thread is the relationship of axle position
relative to the wing.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 10:51 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FW: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
Here are a few pics that I imported into a CAD program, then
sketched a few lines over the image, to approximate the "ground level"
and the top longeron, then measured the angle. It's not really precise,
since the pictures are not perfectly parallel to the planes, and the
ground surface becomes "fuzzy" with grass, but it gives an
approximation. One thing that becomes apparent is that there do seem to
be variations in the resulting angles. About a 4 or 5 degree range,
which backs up the calculations arrived at by Chris Tracy.
Overall, I get the feeling that adegree or so this way or that from
the target (13=B0) ain't gonna hurt.
Bill C.
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I just made up some Delrin (white plastic stock) fairleads and attached them to
the cross member on the bottom of the fuselage. Pulleys would make a smooth
action but the fairleads seem to work ok. I attached the tailwheel steering cables
to the rudder cables under the seat with #10 gage electrical wire connectors
available at the local hardware store. Bill Rewey offered that advice.
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99894#99894
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| Subject: | Re: Covered wire wheels |
Just how I did mine. Nothing to it. Just dreading when I have to change tires.
May have to reshoot the dope because I have a feeling switching tires will
mark up the dope finish.
Don E.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99895#99895
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
Chris,
I can't seem to find my figures when I trigged out my deck angle. I'll head out
to the strip tomorrow and I'll try to come up with some measurements for gear
vee lengths, heights and angles. This was an issue I thought a lot about too.
As we can there are many variations in the many different ships, so we know
that there is a wide range of what works.
Don E.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99897#99897
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| Subject: | Re: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares |
Well, dig a hole deep enough.......... hahahaha!
Thanks bub. I'm working on my 36" center section.
Might not get much done after the Delta RAA
pancake breakfast tomorrow though! Burp!
----- Original Message -----
From: Catdesigns
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg Nighmares
Clif
I'm actually out in the garage working on the gear right now.
Take a look at the picture and you can see I stole your design. I
mean, I was inspired by your design to create a similar product
manufactured for less in China.. It works great by the way.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Take heart Chris: Wood Gear Leg
Nighmares
Go here and follow the pics then clik to page 4
http://clifdawson.ca/Pietenpol3.html
Clif
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| Subject: | Re: Axel location Clarifications |
I re- measured mine today to confirm. My short fuse has axle 19" back from
FW and axle is 3.5" aft of LE.
The new plane has long fuse has axle 21" back and wing isn't mounted yet.
dick N.For Rick Holland, my short fuse has a CG with min fuel and me at
19.05 and flys perfect. You are on the right track.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:14 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axel location Clarifications
> <catdesigns@comcast.net>
>
> Hi, it's me again. Just a few last questions. After searching the archives
> there are some things that need to be clarified about axel placement.
>
> Greg Cardinal's and Dale Johnson's axel location sems to float around in
> the archives. I've seen pictures of the plane and I know the axel is in a
> fixed position.
> In the archives:
> Chris Bobbka said 21-inches aft of the firewall in his landing gear
> analysis.
> Then Chris and Dale reported it as a 7 inch sweep (which would put it at
> 19")
> Greg later said 20-inches.
> Then Greg says 19-inches
> Question: Greg or Dale, what is the true location of your axel?
>
>
> Dick Navratil: Is you axel location at 19" aft of the fire wall on a
> short fuselage? How about the location on your new piet?
>
>
> Lastly, anyone have the weight and balance spreadsheet Jon Dilatush
> offered to send out concerning the Weight an Balance of his Mountain
> Piet?
>
>
> Chris Tracy
> Sacramento, Ca
> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Main Landing Gear Length |
I would be very interesting in your measurements. I think your right as
anything from 11 to 15 seems to work.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Main Landing Gear Length
>
> Chris,
> I can't seem to find my figures when I trigged out my deck angle. I'll
> head out to the strip tomorrow and I'll try to come up with some
> measurements for gear vee lengths, heights and angles. This was an issue
> I thought a lot about too. As we can there are many variations in the
> many different ships, so we know that there is a wide range of what works.
> Don E.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99897#99897
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing drag wires |
1/8" is very adequate. No need to go heavier.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 2:17 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing drag wires
> <hanover@centramedia.net>
>
> Ok next question-what are you guys using as size for the brace cables that
> run in the same plane as the wing struts-(the X brace cables.) I cannot
> find size or rigging drawing on the GN-1 plans.I am sure I got the idea
> that 3/16" cable was called for, but have talked to a pietenpol flyer
> using 1/8" cables.Anybody that could help me I'd apreciate it-I have the
> Carleson aluminum wing struts and would like to know the X-brace cable
> will take their share if the load.also anyone with a good price on
> turnbuckles out there?Raymond
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=99828#99828
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Axel location Clarifications |
Thanks Dick, I'll add them to my note book.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axel location Clarifications
> <horzpool@goldengate.net>
>
> I re- measured mine today to confirm. My short fuse has axle 19" back
> from FW and axle is 3.5" aft of LE.
> The new plane has long fuse has axle 21" back and wing isn't mounted yet.
> dick N.For Rick Holland, my short fuse has a CG with min fuel and me at
> 19.05 and flys perfect. You are on the right track.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catdesigns" <catdesigns@comcast.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 12:14 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Axel location Clarifications
>
>
>> <catdesigns@comcast.net>
>>
>> Hi, it's me again. Just a few last questions. After searching the
>> archives there are some things that need to be clarified about axel
>> placement.
>>
>> Greg Cardinal's and Dale Johnson's axel location sems to float around in
>> the archives. I've seen pictures of the plane and I know the axel is in
>> a fixed position.
>> In the archives:
>> Chris Bobbka said 21-inches aft of the firewall in his landing gear
>> analysis.
>> Then Chris and Dale reported it as a 7 inch sweep (which would put it at
>> 19")
>> Greg later said 20-inches.
>> Then Greg says 19-inches
>> Question: Greg or Dale, what is the true location of your axel?
>>
>>
>> Dick Navratil: Is you axel location at 19" aft of the fire wall on a
>> short fuselage? How about the location on your new piet?
>>
>>
>> Lastly, anyone have the weight and balance spreadsheet Jon Dilatush
>> offered to send out concerning the Weight an Balance of his Mountain
>> Piet?
>>
>>
>> Chris Tracy
>> Sacramento, Ca
>> Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air Camper with Scout Gear |
Bill,
I must say this st-up appears to be very simple and similar to a Fairchild type
landing gear....Can you elaboate on the modificiations to make this system
work? What additions to the structure was incorporated to allow this system to
work effectively?
Just intertested.......
KM Heide
Fargo, ND
Bill Princell <weprincell@gmail.com> wrote:
I can confirm that the Air Camper with the Scout gear is wood/fabric construction.
I helped the previous owner with repairs while it was based at LaBelle,
Fl early last year. It was previously based at Punta Gorda and had suffered damage
from hurricane Charley. Overall workmanship by the original A&P builder and
also the previous owner who rebuilt it was excellent. A very nice airplane.
Pictures attached.
Bill Princell - Noblesville, IN
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