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1. 07:21 AM - Re: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 07:58 AM - Steel vs Wood (BYD@att.net)
3. 08:06 AM - Travel schedule (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 12:47 PM - ferry flight (Steve Eldredge)
5. 01:10 PM - Re: ferry flight (Perry Rhoads)
6. 01:12 PM - Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 01:12 PM - Re: ferry flight (Steve Ruse)
8. 01:26 PM - Re: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature (Steve Eldredge)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: ferry flight (Ron Bell)
10. 01:58 PM - Re: ferry flight (HelsperSew@aol.com)
11. 02:07 PM - HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce (shad bell)
12. 02:11 PM - Scimitar prop (santiago morete)
13. 02:16 PM - Re: HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce (HelsperSew@aol.com)
14. 02:37 PM - Lake Winnebago (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
15. 02:49 PM - Re: Scimitar prop (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
16. 03:24 PM - Fw: FlyChallenger: You Tube video (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
17. 03:55 PM - Rigging Reference (skellytownflyer)
18. 03:56 PM - Rigging Reference (skellytownflyer)
19. 04:40 PM - Re: ferry flight (Dick Navratil)
20. 04:49 PM - Re: ferry flight (Richard Schreiber)
21. 04:54 PM - Re: ferry flight (Isablcorky@aol.com)
22. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Scimitar prop (HelsperSew@aol.com)
23. 06:45 PM - Re: Lake Winnebago (Eric Williams)
24. 06:52 PM - I rolled my Piet... (HVandervoo@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet? |
Peter, Would you be so kind as to forward a copy of Simon's article?
Thanks mucho.
Dan Helsper
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Perry,
One consideration not voiced often concerning metal fuselage Pietenpols is the
attachment of various items. Consider, just as an example the throttle on a
wooden fuselage, one can attach to the plywood side without much effort on a
metal fuselage, there is no side to attach to, its open space.
This shouldnt discourage someone from building this type, just be aware that the
plans were drawn with a wooden fuselage as the source so more engineering or
creative thinking may be needed to build to a metal fuselage. My understanding
is that the metal fuselage is about 35 lbs lighter and my partner and I decided
to use this to offset the heavier straight axle gear.
Pietenpolingly,
Bill Sayre
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I looked at an old e mail I sent out under a different subject and wondered why
the response was so small, then I took a good look at the spelling, I will be
in Tucson, from the 27th thru the 30th of March on business and would love to
meet, greet and tell lies with another piet builder, owner or both if you are
so inclined. I'll even bring a beverage to the hangar/shop.
Have digital and tape measure will travel!
Please contact me if interested.
Thanks
John
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From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet?
Peter, Would you be so kind as to forward a copy of Simon's article? Thanks mucho.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
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| Subject: | Re: ferry flight |
Steve,
Our little airport is probably a little south of your flight path, but
if not, Litchfield, IL. (3LF), would welcome you. We have a courtesy
car, about the cheapest 100LL in the midwest, less than a mile to all
the motels, restaurants, etc.
Definitely go around Lake Michigan!!
Perry Rhoads
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From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
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| Subject: | Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature |
Hello Steve,
Personally I would fly around Lake Michigan seeing that is is hovering
around 37 F at the moment and given the information below
on hypothermia in cold water. Even if you survived a ditching you would
most likely be dead before any rescue could be made.
Have a fun trip !
Mike C.
http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/m3.html
Cold water removes heat from the body 25 times faster than cold air.
About 50% of that heat loss occurs through the head. Physical activity
such as swimming, or other struggling in the water increases heat loss.
Survival time can be reduced to minutes. Strong swimmers have died
before swimming 100 yards in cold water. In water under 40 degrees F,
victims have died before swimming 100 feet.
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| Subject: | Re: ferry flight |
Have fun Steve, that sounds like a great time. Next to my Piet, most
of my taildragger time is in an L2...great airplanes, I'd love to have
one.
Just my opinion, but I'd skirt the edge of lake Michigan instead of
going over. You'd need to cary a lot of extra equipment to make it a
safe flight over water...not worth the risk IMO.
Have fun! Ferrying my Piet to TX from Indiana was one of the best
trips of my life. If you were going to be this far south (I-40), I
would offer you hangar space and a place to stay overnight.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>:
> I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
> from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
> several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
> your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
> flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
> route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
>
>
> Any tips?
>
>
> Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
> flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
> much.
>
>
> Steve E
>
>
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| Subject: | Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature |
Eiiiyaahh!
I'm going around. -the water, that is....
Steve E
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature
Hello Steve,
Personally I would fly around Lake Michigan seeing that is is hovering
around 37 F at the moment and given the information below
on hypothermia in cold water. Even if you survived a ditching you would
most likely be dead before any rescue could be made.
Have a fun trip !
Mike C.
http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/m3.html
Cold water removes heat from the body 25 times faster than cold air.
About 50% of that heat loss occurs through the head. Physical activity
such as swimming, or other struggling in the water increases heat loss.
Survival time can be reduced to minutes. Strong swimmers have died
before swimming 100 yards in cold water. In water under 40 degrees F,
victims have died before swimming 100 feet.
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Fly over only if you have a cold water survival kit and EPIRB. Lake
Michigan is very cold and survival if you go down is probably less than an
hour. I know folks who fly over in single engine aircraft. They fly high
and fast. Low and slow? Go around. Always leave yourself an out, just in
case
Just my opinion,
Ron Bell
A Lurker
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET) from
Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of several piet
builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit your input on where
to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've flown this route twice
before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general route will be following
I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water flight
was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that much.
Steve E
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| Subject: | Re: ferry flight |
I flew over about 45 mi. of Lake Michigan once in the middle of Summer. Went
up to 10,500 msl and still worried the whole time. Kept hearing all kinds
of weird engine noises. There was about 10 miles in the middle where I
couldn't glide back to land. Vowed I would never do it again. Not too long after
that a vent line came loose from the top of my fuel tank and siphoned all but
5 gallons out. YIKES!
Dan Helsper
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| Subject: | HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce |
Hello Guys, If you are planning a big spruce order do it before the prices surpass
gold. Believe it or not Aircraft Spruce& Spec. is A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER. I
needed some 1/2 x 1/2 capstrip for compression struts on by bipe and A.S.S. was
$0.68 per foot, while Wicks was 1.60 per foot. I don't know what spiked Wick's
prices but I am sure they will all follow. Usually I order my wood from
Wicks but this time it would have cost me $40 more to do so. I hope the quality
is satisfactory, if not I'll bet i can do only right hand spins (once). Any
how just thought I would let you all know what I found out. I will try to remember
to give a report on my experiance with the "other guys". Also just a report
on NX92GB.. ready to assemble, just waiting on temps to warm up a little
so Dad's garage warms up.
Fly safe!
Shad
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Hello Chuck, I hope this will help you. The message from Gary Gower remembered me this http://www.foxpapa.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=5 Much useful information. Look for "hlice a pas variable automatique". You will see nice prop pictures and laminated planks (just like you suggested). Saludos
Santiago
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| Subject: | Re: HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce |
Shad,
A.S.S. has a "bargain bag of spruce" for cheap. It has many usable pieces
and some of them are as thick as 1-1/2" and as long as 5 ft. I made many a
part from that bag. You have to be able to cut it and it helps a whole lot if
you have a planer.
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I have a phobia about flying over water and when they wanted me to fly
over to New Holstein to do some pics for EAA's magazine
I opted to flying south around Lake Winnebago rather than flying the 10
miles across. I even had to talk myself into flying
the 2 miles overwater to South Bass Island in Lake Erie and that is only
2 miles north of the shoreline. (a photo of the airport
at South Bass Island is attached)
I couldn't imagine the coconuts that Charles Lindbergh had to fly over
the cold waters of the Atlantic ocean at night, with intermittent
icing conditions, no forward visibility, and working off of a very
restless nights sleep. Okay Corky, how about that trip you were
planning
overwater to Belize with ping pong balls stuffed in your wing ? Are
you going to install your overwater flotation kit on your new Blue Boy ?
Mike C.
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| Subject: | re: Scimitar prop |
something like this one??
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| Subject: | Fwd: FlyChallenger: You Tube video |
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| Subject: | Rigging Reference |
Well as per usual after posting the questions and receiving good answers i went
back through the notes DJ had and found a sheet labeled rigging reference.it
gives a plenty clear drawing of the cables and calls for 1/8" dia. I have been
away from home for nearly a week with about enough signal to receive mail and
check this list from time to time,but for some reason it will not let me send
out.so no telling when this will get posted,but thanks again to all who responded.Another
thing I intend to check on is how many and where at I need to install
inspection rings.i do not know yet if there is any diagram for that,but
even if not I can check with my friend at the local FBO and get the help there.I
have a lot of light duty inspection plates I bought years ago for some unknown
reason,but very few rings and I would like to find a better quality ring than
the cheap ones I had.best I remember it was very hard to get them to glue
to the fabric properly and lay down a smooth fabric re-enforcement over them.but
a lot of that may simply be lack of skill.i'll try to get some help this go-round.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100150#100150
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| Subject: | Rigging Reference |
Well as per usual after posting the questions and receiving good answers i went
back through the notes DJ had and found a sheet labeled rigging reference.it
gives a plenty clear drawing of the cables and calls for 1/8" dia. I have been
away from home for nearly a week with about enough signal to receive mail and
check this list from time to time,but for some reason it will not let me send
out.so no telling when this will get posted,but thanks again to all who responded.Another
thing I intend to check on is how many and where at I need to install
inspection rings.i do not know yet if there is any diagram for that,but
even if not I can check with my friend at the local FBO and get the help there.I
have a lot of light duty inspection plates I bought years ago for some unknown
reason,but very few rings and I would like to find a better quality ring than
the cheap ones I had.best I remember it was very hard to get them to glue
to the fabric properly and lay down a smooth fabric re-enforcement over them.but
a lot of that may simply be lack of skill.i'll try to get some help this go-round.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100151#100151
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| Subject: | Re: ferry flight |
Hey, what about all of those floating landing strips on Lake Michigan (
cargo ships) 6-900 ft strip cruising at 15+ kts.
Seriously Steve, this isn't the best time of year to go over any of the
great lakes at low alt. The lakes can make their own weather and
sometimes suddenly.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
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Steve:
As you round the bottom of Lake Michigan, there are a couple of good stops for
gas in NW Indiana. Starke Co. (OXI) has 100ll at $3.08 and Plymouth (C65) has
it for $2.95. I'm based at VPZ - Porter Co. Municipal in Valparaiso , IN. Starke
is 17 mi ESE from Porter Co. and Plymouth is about 32 mi E. Both airports
are convenient stops as you come around the bottom of the lake on your way to
Michigan. They both are nice airports with 24 hr. self-serve fuel. My home airport
is nice, with restaurants and hotels nearby, but the gas prices are high.
Mike C. usually stops at VPZ on his way back from Brodhead. If I weren't leaving
for South Carolina tomorrow on business, you could have stayed with me.
I just got back from a ski vacation in the Wasatch. I was going to contact you
before we left about getting together, but we had guests with us and just got
too busy.
How is the Stinson restoration coming along? I was just talking to a flying friend
in Michigan today about your project.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
Sent: 3/12/2007 2:51:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Im ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET) from Utah to
Michigan this week. Since Ill be in the backyard of several piet builders and
low and slow fliers, I thought Id solicit your input on where to land and spend
the night, or just fill up. Ive flown this route twice before when I flew
to Brodhead 99. My general route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water flight was about
2 miles of the Mississippi so I didnt worry about that much.
Steve E
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| Subject: | Re: ferry flight |
Steve,
If you go the water route I'll be happy to sell you several cases of ping
pong balls that I may not use. I say MAY NOT. At a bargain price.
Corky, a Louisiana Pieter
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| Subject: | Re: re: Scimitar prop |
Hi Guys,
I took this picture at Brodhead last year. This is the exact prop I want to
carve for my Piet. God willing my plans are to make a prop carving machine.
I want to carve one half of this prop, then use it for a pattern. This is an
awesome prop.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Mike,
I know what you mean. I live right here on the Florida coast (Jacksonville)
and fly up and down the beach a lot. It's breathtakingly beautiful but if I
creep out over the ocean even a quarter mile I start munching the seat a
little.
Last summer I was flying up to Georgia and the controller at Mayport Naval
Station told me I could transition their airspace but I had to remain east
of the base by 2 miles. Since the base is right on the danged beach, I had
to fly out over the open water by two miles. Actually, after a minute or
two I calmed down and it was really a pretty flight.
Funny you mention this as just today my wife and I were talking about flying
to the Bahamas sometime. The closest island (Bimini) is only 46 miles from
Fort Lauderdale so only a half-hour flight in my 150 but man... that's a lot
of water.
Eric
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>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Winnebago
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:36:14 -0500
>
>
>I have a phobia about flying over water and when they wanted me to fly
>over to New Holstein to do some pics for EAA's magazine
>I opted to flying south around Lake Winnebago rather than flying the 10
>miles across. I even had to talk myself into flying
>the 2 miles overwater to South Bass Island in Lake Erie and that is only
>2 miles north of the shoreline. (a photo of the airport
>at South Bass Island is attached)
>
>I couldn't imagine the coconuts that Charles Lindbergh had to fly over
>the cold waters of the Atlantic ocean at night, with intermittent
>icing conditions, no forward visibility, and working off of a very
>restless nights sleep. Okay Corky, how about that trip you were
>planning
>overwater to Belize with ping pong balls stuffed in your wing ? Are
>you going to install your overwater flotation kit on your new Blue Boy ?
>
>Mike C.
>
>
> <<PutNBayAirport.jpg>>
><< PutNBayAirport.jpg >>
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| Subject: | I rolled my Piet... |
What a beautiful day it was, I finally got my new nitrated crankshaft in a
few weeks back, installed it.
And after a few days of chasing oil leaks and test runs on the ground.
It was time to fly again.
So,
I rolled my Piet out of the Hangar and went flying.
Sorry no Loops or rolls just low and slow.
Hans
NX 15KV
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