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1. 05:55 AM - inspection cover locations (Oscar Zuniga)
2. 06:23 AM - Re: inspection cover locations (HelsperSew@aol.com)
3. 07:12 AM - searching for accident reports (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 07:38 AM - Bottom motor mount fitting welds (Rick Holland)
5. 08:20 AM - motor mounts (skellytownflyer)
6. 08:25 AM - when is brodhead again? (Douwe Blumberg)
7. 08:29 AM - Re: when is brodhead again? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
8. 08:34 AM - Re: when is brodhead again? (Phillips, Jack)
9. 08:36 AM - lovely radiator (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Scimitar prop (del magsam)
11. 01:34 PM - props (RBush96589@aol.com)
12. 03:02 PM - Lovely radiator (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
13. 03:27 PM - Re: Bottom motor mount fitting welds (Peter W Johnson)
14. 04:00 PM - Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good match? (Scott Schreiber)
15. 04:22 PM - Re: Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good match? (Dick Navratil)
16. 05:21 PM - Pics of the finished LG (Scott Schreiber)
17. 05:28 PM - Re: Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good match? (Graham Hansen)
18. 07:19 PM - Re: lovely radiator (FTLovley@aol.com)
19. 08:22 PM - Forrest "New" kit (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | inspection cover locations |
I'd be glad to photograph the locations where Corky installed inspection
covers on 41CC, if that would help give you an idea of how many you might
need and where to place them.
And one helpful comment that I've seen on this list is that you can install
a ring where there is a fitting that you may need to access in the future
but not cut the hole out until (or if) you actually need it. There are
fittings that may never need inspection but if you ever need to get to them
you could cut out the hole, do what you need to do, then install your
inspection cover and you're done. Along with that, the suggestion was to go
ahead and paint a few extra inspection covers of each color on your airplane
so you'd have them stored and the paint would match later. Good ideas, like
saving your rib jig and a few extra ribs so when you groundloop it and
damage a wing (!) you can make repairs and the new ribs will match all the
rest.
Regarding overwater flight, I have flown over the Gulf coastal bend as well
as out off of the Oregon coast and it was absolutely gorgeous, but I was in
spam cans every time I did it and had a good 6 to 8 thousand ft. of altitude
and could easily have glided to land. In the Piet, it would be a very
conscious effort for me to consider doing it.
A very nice lady who works here was telling me that when she was a younger
lady she took some instruction in a Super Cub and she even remembered the
tail numbers, N5973D. I thought I'd give her a smile by researching the
plane's whereabouts and did so via Google. It's amazing what you can learn
from the accident investigations and reports. It turns out that Super Cub
73D was destroyed in a takeoff accident on April 15, 1978. It was departing
Yscloskey, Louisiana (just east of New Orleans) enroute to Ocean Springs,
Missouri (near Biloxi) when the pilot lost control of the aircraft while
trying to untangle a net from the control stick. Apparently a fishing net
of some sort. The aircraft came to rest in the water and was destroyed.
The pilot survived. Question: what was this fellow doing with a fishing net
in the cockpit... trying some fishing from the air?? Apparently there were
no ping-pong balls or empty water jugs aboard. Learn from this incident!
Col. Oscar Zuniga
TACO Squadron "Robert E. Lee"
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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1. 07:21 AM - Re: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet?
(HelsperSew@aol.com)
2. 07:58 AM - Steel vs Wood (BYD@att.net)
3. 08:06 AM - Travel schedule (amsafetyc@aol.com)
4. 12:47 PM - ferry flight (Steve Eldredge)
5. 01:10 PM - Re: ferry flight (Perry Rhoads)
6. 01:12 PM - Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature (Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
7. 01:12 PM - Re: ferry flight (Steve Ruse)
8. 01:26 PM - Re: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature
(Steve Eldredge)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: ferry flight (Ron Bell)
10. 01:58 PM - Re: ferry flight (HelsperSew@aol.com)
11. 02:07 PM - HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce (shad bell)
12. 02:11 PM - Scimitar prop (santiago morete)
13. 02:16 PM - Re: HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce (HelsperSew@aol.com)
14. 02:37 PM - Lake Winnebago (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
15. 02:49 PM - Re: Scimitar prop (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
16. 03:24 PM - Fw: FlyChallenger: You Tube video (KMHeide, BA, CPO,
FAAOP)
17. 03:55 PM - Rigging Reference (skellytownflyer)
18. 03:56 PM - Rigging Reference (skellytownflyer)
19. 04:40 PM - Re: ferry flight (Dick Navratil)
20. 04:49 PM - Re: ferry flight (Richard Schreiber)
21. 04:54 PM - Re: ferry flight (Isablcorky@aol.com)
22. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: Scimitar prop (HelsperSew@aol.com)
23. 06:45 PM - Re: Lake Winnebago (Eric Williams)
24. 06:52 PM - I rolled my Piet... (HVandervoo@aol.com)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 07:21:53 AM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet?
Peter, Would you be so kind as to forward a copy of Simon's article?
Thanks mucho.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Time: 07:58:44 AM PST US
From: BYD@att.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel vs Wood
Perry,
One consideration not voiced often concerning metal fuselage Pietenpols is
the
attachment of various items. Consider, just as an example the throttle on
a
wooden fuselage, one can attach to the plywood side without much effort on
a
metal fuselage, there is no side to attach to, its open space.
This shouldnt discourage someone from building this type, just be aware that
the
plans were drawn with a wooden fuselage as the source so more engineering or
creative thinking may be needed to build to a metal fuselage. My
understanding
is that the metal fuselage is about 35 lbs lighter and my partner and I
decided
to use this to offset the heavier straight axle gear.
Pietenpolingly,
Bill Sayre
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Time: 08:06:44 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Travel schedule
From: amsafetyc@aol.com
I looked at an old e mail I sent out under a different subject and wondered
why
the response was so small, then I took a good look at the spelling, I will
be
in Tucson, from the 27th thru the 30th of March on business and would love
to
meet, greet and tell lies with another piet builder, owner or both if you
are
so inclined. I'll even bring a beverage to the hangar/shop.
Have digital and tape measure will travel!
Please contact me if interested.
Thanks
John
-----Original Message-----
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone know about Simon McCormick's Piet?
Peter, Would you be so kind as to forward a copy of Simon's article?
Thanks mucho.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Time: 12:47:19 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
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Time: 01:10:25 PM PST US
From: "Perry Rhoads" <prhoads61@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Steve,
Our little airport is probably a little south of your flight path, but
if not, Litchfield, IL. (3LF), would welcome you. We have a courtesy
car, about the cheapest 100LL in the midwest, less than a mile to all
the motels, restaurants, etc.
Definitely go around Lake Michigan!!
Perry Rhoads
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
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3/11/2007 9:27 AM
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Time: 01:12:05 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
Hello Steve,
Personally I would fly around Lake Michigan seeing that is is hovering
around 37 F at the moment and given the information below
on hypothermia in cold water. Even if you survived a ditching you would
most likely be dead before any rescue could be made.
Have a fun trip !
Mike C.
http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/m3.html
Cold water removes heat from the body 25 times faster than cold air.
About 50% of that heat loss occurs through the head. Physical activity
such as swimming, or other struggling in the water increases heat loss.
Survival time can be reduced to minutes. Strong swimmers have died
before swimming 100 yards in cold water. In water under 40 degrees F,
victims have died before swimming 100 feet.
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 01:12:28 PM PST US
From: Steve Ruse <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Have fun Steve, that sounds like a great time. Next to my Piet, most
of my taildragger time is in an L2...great airplanes, I'd love to have
one.
Just my opinion, but I'd skirt the edge of lake Michigan instead of
going over. You'd need to cary a lot of extra equipment to make it a
safe flight over water...not worth the risk IMO.
Have fun! Ferrying my Piet to TX from Indiana was one of the best
trips of my life. If you were going to be this far south (I-40), I
would offer you hangar space and a place to stay overnight.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
Quoting Steve Eldredge <steve@byu.edu>:
> I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
> from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
> several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
> your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
> flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
> route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
>
>
> Any tips?
>
>
> Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
> flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
> much.
>
>
> Steve E
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 01:26:43 PM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature
From: "Steve Eldredge" <steve@byu.edu>
Eiiiyaahh!
I'm going around. -the water, that is....
Steve E
-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy,
Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Michigan is under 40 F surface temperature
Hello Steve,
Personally I would fly around Lake Michigan seeing that is is hovering
around 37 F at the moment and given the information below
on hypothermia in cold water. Even if you survived a ditching you would
most likely be dead before any rescue could be made.
Have a fun trip !
Mike C.
http://www.coastwatch.msu.edu/michigan/m3.html
Cold water removes heat from the body 25 times faster than cold air.
About 50% of that heat loss occurs through the head. Physical activity
such as swimming, or other struggling in the water increases heat loss.
Survival time can be reduced to minutes. Strong swimmers have died
before swimming 100 yards in cold water. In water under 40 degrees F,
victims have died before swimming 100 feet.
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 01:29:35 PM PST US
From: "Ron Bell" <rbell@hpavet.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Fly over only if you have a cold water survival kit and EPIRB. Lake
Michigan is very cold and survival if you go down is probably less than an
hour. I know folks who fly over in single engine aircraft. They fly high
and fast. Low and slow? Go around. Always leave yourself an out, just in
case
Just my opinion,
Ron Bell
A Lurker
Cloaking device - Engage
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Eldredge
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 3:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET) from
Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of several piet
builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit your input on where
to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've flown this route twice
before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general route will be following
I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water flight
was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that much.
Steve E
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 01:58:05 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I flew over about 45 mi. of Lake Michigan once in the middle of Summer.
Went
up to 10,500 msl and still worried the whole time. Kept hearing all kinds
of weird engine noises. There was about 10 miles in the middle where I
couldn't glide back to land. Vowed I would never do it again. Not too long
after
that a vent line came loose from the top of my fuel tank and siphoned all
but
5 gallons out. YIKES!
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________ Message 11
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Time: 02:07:22 PM PST US
From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce
Hello Guys, If you are planning a big spruce order do it before the prices
surpass
gold. Believe it or not Aircraft Spruce& Spec. is A WHOLE LOT CHEAPER. I
needed some 1/2 x 1/2 capstrip for compression struts on by bipe and A.S.S.
was
$0.68 per foot, while Wicks was 1.60 per foot. I don't know what spiked
Wick's
prices but I am sure they will all follow. Usually I order my wood from
Wicks but this time it would have cost me $40 more to do so. I hope the
quality
is satisfactory, if not I'll bet i can do only right hand spins (once). Any
how just thought I would let you all know what I found out. I will try to
remember
to give a report on my experiance with the "other guys". Also just a report
on NX92GB.. ready to assemble, just waiting on temps to warm up a little
so Dad's garage warms up.
Fly safe!
Shad
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Time: 02:11:13 PM PST US
From: santiago morete <moretesantiago@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Scimitar prop
Hello Chuck, I hope this will help you. The message from Gary Gower
remembered me this http://www.foxpapa.com/rubrique.php3?id_rubrique=5 Much
useful information. Look for "hlice a pas variable automatique". You will
see nice prop pictures and laminated planks (just like you suggested).
Saludos
Santiago
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________________________________ Message 13
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Time: 02:16:55 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: HOLY MOLEY! price of spruce
Shad,
A.S.S. has a "bargain bag of spruce" for cheap. It has many usable pieces
and some of them are as thick as 1-1/2" and as long as 5 ft. I made many a
part from that bag. You have to be able to cut it and it helps a whole lot
if
you have a planer.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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________________________________ Message 14
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Time: 02:37:11 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Winnebago
From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
I have a phobia about flying over water and when they wanted me to fly
over to New Holstein to do some pics for EAA's magazine
I opted to flying south around Lake Winnebago rather than flying the 10
miles across. I even had to talk myself into flying
the 2 miles overwater to South Bass Island in Lake Erie and that is only
2 miles north of the shoreline. (a photo of the airport
at South Bass Island is attached)
I couldn't imagine the coconuts that Charles Lindbergh had to fly over
the cold waters of the Atlantic ocean at night, with intermittent
icing conditions, no forward visibility, and working off of a very
restless nights sleep. Okay Corky, how about that trip you were
planning
overwater to Belize with ping pong balls stuffed in your wing ? Are
you going to install your overwater flotation kit on your new Blue Boy ?
Mike C.
<<PutNBayAirport.jpg>>
________________________________ Message 15
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Time: 02:49:58 PM PST US
From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" <M.Silvius@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Scimitar prop
something like this one??
________________________________ Message 16
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Time: 03:24:00 PM PST US
From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: FlyChallenger: You Tube video
________________________________ Message 17
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Time: 03:55:49 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rigging Reference
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
Well as per usual after posting the questions and receiving good answers i
went
back through the notes DJ had and found a sheet labeled rigging reference.it
gives a plenty clear drawing of the cables and calls for 1/8" dia. I have
been
away from home for nearly a week with about enough signal to receive mail
and
check this list from time to time,but for some reason it will not let me
send
out.so no telling when this will get posted,but thanks again to all who
responded.Another
thing I intend to check on is how many and where at I need to install
inspection rings.i do not know yet if there is any diagram for that,but
even if not I can check with my friend at the local FBO and get the help
there.I
have a lot of light duty inspection plates I bought years ago for some
unknown
reason,but very few rings and I would like to find a better quality ring
than
the cheap ones I had.best I remember it was very hard to get them to glue
to the fabric properly and lay down a smooth fabric re-enforcement over
them.but
a lot of that may simply be lack of skill.i'll try to get some help this
go-round.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100150#100150
________________________________ Message 18
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Time: 03:56:21 PM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rigging Reference
From: "skellytownflyer" <hanover@centramedia.net>
Well as per usual after posting the questions and receiving good answers i
went
back through the notes DJ had and found a sheet labeled rigging reference.it
gives a plenty clear drawing of the cables and calls for 1/8" dia. I have
been
away from home for nearly a week with about enough signal to receive mail
and
check this list from time to time,but for some reason it will not let me
send
out.so no telling when this will get posted,but thanks again to all who
responded.Another
thing I intend to check on is how many and where at I need to install
inspection rings.i do not know yet if there is any diagram for that,but
even if not I can check with my friend at the local FBO and get the help
there.I
have a lot of light duty inspection plates I bought years ago for some
unknown
reason,but very few rings and I would like to find a better quality ring
than
the cheap ones I had.best I remember it was very hard to get them to glue
to the fabric properly and lay down a smooth fabric re-enforcement over
them.but
a lot of that may simply be lack of skill.i'll try to get some help this
go-round.Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100151#100151
________________________________ Message 19
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Time: 04:40:03 PM PST US
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Hey, what about all of those floating landing strips on Lake Michigan (
cargo ships) 6-900 ft strip cruising at 15+ kts.
Seriously Steve, this isn't the best time of year to go over any of the
great lakes at low alt. The lakes can make their own weather and
sometimes suddenly.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
I'm ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET)
from Utah to Michigan this week. Since I'll be in the backyard of
several piet builders and low and slow fliers, I thought I'd solicit
your input on where to land and spend the night, or just fill up. I've
flown this route twice before when I flew to Brodhead 99'. My general
route will be following I-80 across the Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water
flight was about 2 miles of the Mississippi so I didn't worry about that
much.
Steve E
________________________________ Message 20
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Time: 04:49:43 PM PST US
From: "Richard Schreiber" <lmforge@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Steve:
As you round the bottom of Lake Michigan, there are a couple of good stops
for
gas in NW Indiana. Starke Co. (OXI) has 100ll at $3.08 and Plymouth (C65)
has
it for $2.95. I'm based at VPZ - Porter Co. Municipal in Valparaiso , IN.
Starke
is 17 mi ESE from Porter Co. and Plymouth is about 32 mi E. Both airports
are convenient stops as you come around the bottom of the lake on your way
to
Michigan. They both are nice airports with 24 hr. self-serve fuel. My home
airport
is nice, with restaurants and hotels nearby, but the gas prices are high.
Mike C. usually stops at VPZ on his way back from Brodhead. If I weren't
leaving
for South Carolina tomorrow on business, you could have stayed with me.
I just got back from a ski vacation in the Wasatch. I was going to contact
you
before we left about getting together, but we had guests with us and just
got
too busy.
How is the Stinson restoration coming along? I was just talking to a flying
friend
in Michigan today about your project.
Rick Schreiber
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
Sent: 3/12/2007 2:51:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Im ferrying a Taylorcraft L2B (almost a military variant of a PIET) from
Utah to
Michigan this week. Since Ill be in the backyard of several piet builders
and
low and slow fliers, I thought Id solicit your input on where to land and
spend
the night, or just fill up. Ive flown this route twice before when I flew
to Brodhead 99. My general route will be following I-80 across the
Midwest.
Any tips?
Should I fly over, or around lake Michigan? My longest over water flight
was about
2 miles of the Mississippi so I didnt worry about that much.
Steve E
________________________________ Message 21
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Time: 04:54:56 PM PST US
From: Isablcorky@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ferry flight
Steve,
If you go the water route I'll be happy to sell you several cases of ping
pong balls that I may not use. I say MAY NOT. At a bargain price.
Corky, a Louisiana Pieter
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________________________________ Message 22
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Time: 05:04:21 PM PST US
From: HelsperSew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re: Scimitar prop
Hi Guys,
I took this picture at Brodhead last year. This is the exact prop I want to
carve for my Piet. God willing my plans are to make a prop carving machine.
I want to carve one half of this prop, then use it for a pattern. This is
an
awesome prop.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL
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Time: 06:45:44 PM PST US
From: "Eric Williams" <ewilliams805@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lake Winnebago
Mike,
I know what you mean. I live right here on the Florida coast (Jacksonville)
and fly up and down the beach a lot. It's breathtakingly beautiful but if I
creep out over the ocean even a quarter mile I start munching the seat a
little.
Last summer I was flying up to Georgia and the controller at Mayport Naval
Station told me I could transition their airspace but I had to remain east
of the base by 2 miles. Since the base is right on the danged beach, I had
to fly out over the open water by two miles. Actually, after a minute or
two I calmed down and it was really a pretty flight.
Funny you mention this as just today my wife and I were talking about flying
to the Bahamas sometime. The closest island (Bimini) is only 46 miles from
Fort Lauderdale so only a half-hour flight in my 150 but man... that's a lot
of water.
Eric
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>From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
>To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lake Winnebago
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:36:14 -0500
>
>
>I have a phobia about flying over water and when they wanted me to fly
>over to New Holstein to do some pics for EAA's magazine
>I opted to flying south around Lake Winnebago rather than flying the 10
>miles across. I even had to talk myself into flying
>the 2 miles overwater to South Bass Island in Lake Erie and that is only
>2 miles north of the shoreline. (a photo of the airport
>at South Bass Island is attached)
>
>I couldn't imagine the coconuts that Charles Lindbergh had to fly over
>the cold waters of the Atlantic ocean at night, with intermittent
>icing conditions, no forward visibility, and working off of a very
>restless nights sleep. Okay Corky, how about that trip you were
>planning
>overwater to Belize with ping pong balls stuffed in your wing ? Are
>you going to install your overwater flotation kit on your new Blue Boy ?
>
>Mike C.
>
>
> <<PutNBayAirport.jpg>>
><< PutNBayAirport.jpg >>
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From: HVandervoo@aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I rolled my Piet...
What a beautiful day it was, I finally got my new nitrated crankshaft in a
few weeks back, installed it.
And after a few days of chasing oil leaks and test runs on the ground.
It was time to fly again.
So,
I rolled my Piet out of the Hangar and went flying.
Sorry no Loops or rolls just low and slow.
Hans
NX 15KV
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Oscar,
Where do you look for the accident investigation reports?
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| Subject: | searching for accident reports |
You can query the NTSB accident report database here:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp
You can search by aircraft tail number, date, location, a bunch of different
things.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Bottom motor mount fitting welds |
Does anyone have any pictures of their bottom motor mount welds (where it
attaches to the fuselage fittings)? Particularly from any corvair-Piet
builders. Would like to see how the experts arrange their tube clusters.
Thanks
Rick
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One thing that concerned me was the welding of the bolt head to the mount fitting
on the GN-1 the plans called for.DJ said he had his done at a welding shop
and TIG welded on one flat.I have welded a lot of bolts as an oilfield welder
in the past with stick-low hydrogen rod or wire feed MIG process,and found that
the higher grade bolts are likely to get brittle and snap off from vibration.
but aparently there must be a lot of planes flying with this set up and maybe
aircraft bolts tolerate it.Any thoughts out there? boy what a ride if the engine
comes off!
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=100283#100283
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| Subject: | when is brodhead again? |
sorry guys, I know it's been mentioned, but when is brodhead this year?
Thanks
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: when is brodhead again? |
Douwe,
Are you going to use the air filter on your Weber carb?
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| Subject: | when is brodhead again? |
It's always the Friday and Saturday before OSH. Since OSH is 7/23 -
7/29, that would mean the REAL fly-in is 7/20 - 7/21.
Jack Phillips
Already planning to be there, but first I gotta fly the Piet to Sun 'n'
Fun
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sorry guys, I know it's been mentioned, but when is brodhead this year?
Thanks
Douwe
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Does anyone know what a Forrest Lovely radiator weighs?
Mine is installed, and I'd prefer not removing it. I'm looking at
aluminum ones to see if the weigh savings is substantial.
I suspect it is.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: re: Scimitar prop |
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Hans or Shad,
could one of you tell me what prop you are running on your corvair? I am
getting ready to order one for mine and i am not sure what diameter and
pitch to go with
Thanks,
Robert Bush
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I bought my engine and radiator from a guy who woke up to the
realization that the Ford wouldn't safely take him aloft. (he is a BIG
guy) The radiator wasn't a Lovely rad., but was a copper- brass radiator
that weighed 18 lbs. I decided that weight was out of the question so am
at least now going with a VW Golf diesel radiator like you see on a lot
of 912 Rotax ultra lights. Lowell Frank used one on his Funk B, and it
cooled fine. This radiator only weighs 4 lbs. On the negative side I had
to build a housing around it to support and mount it. I still need to
figure out a way to place a header-filler tank. It needs to be slightly
higher than the highest point in the cooling system. This could end up
looking silly. It is gaining weight, but still way under 18 lbs. I'm
going to a car swap meet in May where a radiator maker has a booth and I
may have him build me a more traditional Piet style radiator to solve
the header tank problem.
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| Subject: | Bottom motor mount fitting welds |
Rick,
Take a look at HYPERLINK
"http://www.cpc-world.com/"http://www.cpc-world.com. Go to =93Building
Pictures=94 -> =93Page 5=94. You may find something of use.
Cheers
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bottom motor mount fitting welds
Does anyone have any pictures of their bottom motor mount welds (where
it
attaches to the fuselage fittings)? Particularly from any corvair-Piet
builders. Would like to see how the experts arrange their tube clusters.
Thanks
Rick
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| Subject: | Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good match? |
Are many folks using the stock Cub prop for the A65 on the Piet? I found
a decent package and I can get the prop and accesories for a reasonable
price with the engine. I have not looked into props used on A65s with
the Piet. Any ideas?
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good |
match?
A whole lot of us are running the A-65 with a 72x42 prop. They are a
very good combo.
Dick N
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To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop
a good match?
Are many folks using the stock Cub prop for the A65 on the Piet? I
found a decent package and I can get the prop and accesories for a
reasonable price with the engine. I have not looked into props used on
A65s with the Piet. Any ideas?
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Pics of the finished LG |
Other than brakes, cuffs and shock cords it is done. I will try to get
some more detailed pics up on my site sooner or later....
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietlgdn1.jpg
http://www.subarubrat.com/misc/pietlgdn.jpg
-Scott Schreiber
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| Subject: | Re: Found a probable engine, is a stock Cub prop a good |
match?
Scott,
A lot of Cubs with the A65 engine use a Sensenich 72CK42 propeller. This
combination also works for the Pietenpol. It may be possible to further
improve the Pietenpol's performance by using a custom propeller instead
of the Sensenich, but not by very much. I have used a Flottorp 72A48
wooden propeller on a Pietenpol with an A65, and it gave similar
performance to the Sensenich prop. A Flottorp 72A46 also works, but a
bit of speed is lost (better climb, though).
If one goes for an "off the shelf" propeller, in my experience this
Sensenich model is OK for a 65 hp Piet. Flottorp props used to be
manufactured by Univair, and it is difficult to find a good one these
days.
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
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| Subject: | Re: lovely radiator |
The brass radiator I build weighs 18 pounds...which is 12 pounds lighter than
the brass cartridge core radiator used by Bernard. I have two original
radiators here and one weighs 30 pounds, and the other weighs 31, but I suspect
it
is full of lots of crud and iron deposits over the years. The one that weighs
30 pounds is a new-old stock one that came with an unbuilt kit that Bernard
sold in 1936 and I just purchased last month. The kit is nearly complete
including the engine and has never been started. It has struts, wheels, tires,
landing gear, wing fittings, fuse fittings, tail skid, and all the
rudder/elevator/aileron horns. The kit is just as shipped to the customer by Bernard
and is
quite a neat artifact.
I am currently in the process of building 6 brass radiators which will
be the last ones I build, I hope..!! The price of the cores used in this
radiator have TRIPLED in price in the last year. Hopefully, everyone will discover
a radiator that cools real well, and weighs 4 ounces, and cost less than 5
bucks.
Forrest Lovley
Jordan MN
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| Subject: | Forrest "New" kit |
Forrest,
WOW! what a find. Any chance you can take some pictures of the wheels,
struts, fittings, wood, landing gear, and the other parts of the kit? I
would love to add the pictures and a description of them to my web site.
To me it's like finding the Holy Grail. Finally, I could see how Mr.
Pietenpol wanted it done. You have a great treasure.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: lovely radiator
The brass radiator I build weighs 18 pounds...which is 12 pounds
lighter than the brass cartridge core radiator used by Bernard. I have
two original radiators here and one weighs 30 pounds, and the other
weighs 31, but I suspect it is full of lots of crud and iron deposits
over the years. The one that weighs 30 pounds is a new-old stock one
that came with an unbuilt kit that Bernard sold in 1936 and I just
purchased last month. The kit is nearly complete including the engine
and has never been started. It has struts, wheels, tires, landing gear,
wing fittings, fuse fittings, tail skid, and all the
rudder/elevator/aileron horns. The kit is just as shipped to the
customer by Bernard and is quite a neat artifact.
I am currently in the process of building 6 brass radiators which
will be the last ones I build, I hope..!! The price of the cores used
in this radiator have TRIPLED in price in the last year. Hopefully,
everyone will discover a radiator that cools real well, and weighs 4
ounces, and cost less than 5 bucks.
Forrest Lovley
Jordan MN
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