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1. 05:03 AM - Re: purchasing spruce (Don Emch)
2. 12:19 PM - New prospectuve builder (raymondolson@comcast.net)
3. 01:31 PM - Re: New prospectuve builder (shad bell)
4. 03:16 PM - The list (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
5. 04:23 PM - Re: purchasing spruce (Alan Lyscars)
6. 05:17 PM - Re: New prospectuve builder ()
7. 05:44 PM - Re: The list (walt evans)
8. 06:49 PM - purchasing spruce (Dick Navratil)
9. 07:42 PM - Re: purchasing spruce (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
10. 08:33 PM - purchacing spruce (Dick Navratil)
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Subject: | Re: purchasing spruce |
Wick's and AS&S both supply a nice product. I prefer Wick's. It is very nice
to get wood that is cut and planed to exactly ordered dimensions. The price is
no more when you order the exact dimensions. If you were looking to get spar
and longeron material out of a 1 X 6 that would be ok, but for the same or less
money you could order 1 X 1 longerons and 1 X 4 3/4 spars. You would also
probably have less wait time. Larger pieces always have a longer wait time.
You'll have lots of other types of cutting and fitting to do other than ripping
:) ! Sitka Spruce, as we all know, is very expensive, I prefer to have mine
as whole pieces and not as saw dust on the floor from ripping! So I'm not sure,
am I "less filling" or "more taste" or is it "less sawdust/more wood"?
Oh well, build away Pieters!!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | New prospectuve builder |
Hi to all,
My name is Ray Olson and I live in Marietta, Ga (20miles north of Atlanta).
I sold my Sonex last Dec. It was mostly complete, needing only some engine
tuning, several other minor items and an airworthiness inspection. I am not
a pilot and that may not change.
I am finding that after building an airplane, building bird houses and other such
projects just doesn't cut it. I monitored the Pietenpol list before I started my
Sonex
and I have been back on the list for about two months. I think a Pietenpol would
certainly be a building challenge and would teach me a whole lot about building
airplanes that I did not encounter with the Sonex. As like the usual newbie,
I have some questions and would appreciate any input the members of the list
would care to make.
1. Since the construction of a Pietenpol is pretty labor intensive, can a builder
construct a quality airframe and sell it it for at least the value of the materials
used?
(remember I am not a pilot).
2. Is there a proven source of spruce, other than Wicks and AS&S. I have done
business with both and have no complaints. Janet Shumaker at Wicks was very good.
3. I would like to attend Brodhead this year with my Grandson. I understand the
gathering at Brodhead is 20 and 21 July (Fri and Sat). Is there a source of information
about events during these two days.
4. I understand that the Grega plans are no longer available. I actually have
a set of
his original plans ($25.00). Plan number 2459. So a set from the Pietenpol family
is in order. However, is the GN-1 a "better" version? I sure hope this does not
start
a fight. What other books or written material on Pietenpol construction is appropriate.
(I have or will get the EAA materials on building wooden airplanes).
Thanks to all.
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<DIV>Hi to all,</DIV>
<DIV>My name is Ray Olson and I live in Marietta, Ga (20miles north of Atlanta).</DIV>
<DIV>I sold my Sonex last Dec. It was mostly complete, needing only some engine</DIV>
<DIV>tuning, several other minor items and an airworthiness inspection. I am not</DIV>
<DIV>a pilot and that may not change.</DIV>
<DIV>I am finding that after building an airplane, building bird houses and other such</DIV>
<DIV>projects just doesn't cut it. I monitored the Pietenpol list before I started
my Sonex</DIV>
<DIV>and I have been back on the list for about two months. I think a Pietenpol
would</DIV>
<DIV>certainly be a building challenge and would teach me a whole lot about building</DIV>
<DIV>airplanes that I did not encounter with the Sonex. As like the usual
newbie,</DIV>
<DIV>I have some questions and would appreciate any input the members of the list</DIV>
<DIV>would care to make.</DIV>
<DIV>1. Since the construction of a Pietenpol is pretty labor intensive, can a
builder</DIV>
<DIV>construct a quality airframe and sell it it for at least the value of the
materials used?</DIV>
<DIV>(remember I am not a pilot).</DIV>
<DIV>2. Is there a proven source of spruce, other than Wicks and AS&S. I have
done </DIV>
<DIV>business with both and have no complaints. Janet Shumaker at Wicks was very
good.</DIV>
<DIV>3. I would like to attend Brodhead this year with my Grandson. I understand
the</DIV>
<DIV>gathering at Brodhead is 20 and 21 July (Fri and Sat). Is there a source of
information</DIV>
<DIV>about events during these two days.</DIV>
<DIV>4. I understand that the Grega plans are no longer available. I actually have
a set of</DIV>
<DIV>his original plans ($25.00). Plan number 2459. So a set from the Pietenpol
family</DIV>
<DIV>is in order. However, is the GN-1 a "better" version? I sure hope this does
not start</DIV>
<DIV>a fight. What other books or written material on Pietenpol construction
is appropriate.</DIV>
<DIV>(I have or will get the EAA materials on building wooden airplanes).</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks to all.</DIV>
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Subject: | Re: New prospectuve builder |
Hello Ray, The Piet is a very easy airplane to fly. I can't speak for the Grega
but I am sure it would be at least as easy to fly. If you want to know my oppinion
I would say don't worry about what the "Purist" say or think build what
YOU want and enjoy. You can probably get what you have in materials out of it.
Shad
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Subject: | Re: purchasing spruce |
Oscar,
In case nobody ever told you, you're an artist. Keep filling their heads
with sights and smells of Sitka like this and we'll have to grow the spruce
hydroponically just to keep up with the demand!!
Al Lyscars
Portland, Maine
GN-1 in Production
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce
<taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> I would have to say that this wood business falls into the usual "less
> filling/more taste" type of endless discussion where nobody is absolutely
> right. There seem to be two types of people in every aspect of life, and
> this one's no different. Sometimes I prefer buying things ready to go,
> other times I want to do them myself. Wood is one thing I like to pick
out
> myself. I never knew that until I started my other project, the Flying
> Squirrel, but now I know that I want to handle, select, cut, mill, and
> finish my own wood rather than have a precut bundle delivered to my door.
>
> Some folks will get a lot of pleasure out of locating, grading, measuring,
> ripping, planing, and sawing all their wood from rough-sawn planks.
Others
> want to get a "wood kit" with everything pretty much there so they can
grab
> a piece from the bundle, fit it to their jig, cut to length, and get busy
> building. If you want to make a big leap and see progress in a short
time,
> purchase a wood kit from Wicks or AS&S and you'll soon have a "boat", or a
> stack of ribs, or some tail feathers to show for it. If you'd rather
> measure, shape, cut, fit, and personally make each piece of your
airplane...
> then go out and find some likely planks and cut away everything that
doesn't
> look like part of an airplane.
>
> Each builder will have to decide for his/her self... there is no right or
> wrong answer. Me, I like the smell of wood and I like the sound of
> woodworking tools. I'll go the rough-sawn route. I never knew I liked
wood
> so much until I started seeing those nice pieces coming out the other side
> of the planer and table saw, perfectly to the dimension I made them. Wood
> is such a wonderful material to work with, and I guess that's part of the
> reason why Piets are such wonderful machines. No pop rivets.
>
> do not archive
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | New prospectuve builder |
The Grega/Pietenpol that I fly is very much like my N3 Pup which is
supposed to be the same as a J3.They both handle very much the same
except that the Grega/Piet is much more powerful.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad
bell
Sent: March 18, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New prospectuve builder
Hello Ray, The Piet is a very easy airplane to fly. I can't speak for
the Grega but I am sure it would be at least as easy to fly. If you want
to know my oppinion I would say don't worry about what the "Purist" say
or think build what YOU want and enjoy. You can probably get what you
have in materials out of it.
Shad
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There has been stuff posted all day. Better check your subscription
walt evans
NX140DL
"Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you"
Ben Franklin
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Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:15 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: The list
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Subject: | purchasing spruce |
As we have noted here in the past, good clear douglas fir is an
acceptable substitute for sitka. I have just finished cutting up all
the stock for a new fuselage for the project we will build at Sun n Fun.
( more on that later ) I bought clear 1/4 sawn fir in 1x8x16' lenghts
at $1.29 per foot. Compare that to sitka. Huge savings for a bit
heavier wood, but stronger, if you don't mind the painful slivers.
Dick N.
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Subject: | purchasing spruce |
I just received my order of DF.
Rough cut 50x100mm x 5.4m lengths @ $17.50 per metre.
Thats quite a lot more than you pay in the States, but thats the
price of building in Australia.
Still quite a lot cheaper than Spruce!
JohnW
Perth, Western Australia
---- Original Message ----
From: horzpool@goldengate.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce
>As we have noted here in the past, good clear douglas fir is an
>acceptable substitute for sitka. I have just finished cutting up all
>the stock for a new fuselage for the project we will build at Sun n
>Fun. ( more on that later ) I bought clear 1/4 sawn fir in 1x8x16'
>lenghts at $1.29 per foot. Compare that to sitka. Huge savings for
>a bit heavier wood, but stronger, if you don't mind the painful
>slivers.
>Dick N.
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Subject: | purchacing spruce |
A correction to my post on douglas fir price. The $1.29 price was for
some 1x3 stock I bought. 1x8x16' was $4.68 per ft. That is finished
sanded.
Dick N.
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