---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/18/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: purchasing spruce (Don Emch) 2. 12:19 PM - New prospectuve builder (raymondolson@comcast.net) 3. 01:31 PM - Re: New prospectuve builder (shad bell) 4. 03:16 PM - The list (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 5. 04:23 PM - Re: purchasing spruce (Alan Lyscars) 6. 05:17 PM - Re: New prospectuve builder () 7. 05:44 PM - Re: The list (walt evans) 8. 06:49 PM - purchasing spruce (Dick Navratil) 9. 07:42 PM - Re: purchasing spruce (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 10. 08:33 PM - purchacing spruce (Dick Navratil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: purchasing spruce From: "Don Emch" Wick's and AS&S both supply a nice product. I prefer Wick's. It is very nice to get wood that is cut and planed to exactly ordered dimensions. The price is no more when you order the exact dimensions. If you were looking to get spar and longeron material out of a 1 X 6 that would be ok, but for the same or less money you could order 1 X 1 longerons and 1 X 4 3/4 spars. You would also probably have less wait time. Larger pieces always have a longer wait time. You'll have lots of other types of cutting and fitting to do other than ripping :) ! Sitka Spruce, as we all know, is very expensive, I prefer to have mine as whole pieces and not as saw dust on the floor from ripping! So I'm not sure, am I "less filling" or "more taste" or is it "less sawdust/more wood"? Oh well, build away Pieters!!! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=101356#101356 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:15 PM PST US From: raymondolson@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: New prospectuve builder Hi to all, My name is Ray Olson and I live in Marietta, Ga (20miles north of Atlanta). I sold my Sonex last Dec. It was mostly complete, needing only some engine tuning, several other minor items and an airworthiness inspection. I am not a pilot and that may not change. I am finding that after building an airplane, building bird houses and other such projects just doesn't cut it. I monitored the Pietenpol list before I started my Sonex and I have been back on the list for about two months. I think a Pietenpol would certainly be a building challenge and would teach me a whole lot about building airplanes that I did not encounter with the Sonex. As like the usual newbie, I have some questions and would appreciate any input the members of the list would care to make. 1. Since the construction of a Pietenpol is pretty labor intensive, can a builder construct a quality airframe and sell it it for at least the value of the materials used? (remember I am not a pilot). 2. Is there a proven source of spruce, other than Wicks and AS&S. I have done business with both and have no complaints. Janet Shumaker at Wicks was very good. 3. I would like to attend Brodhead this year with my Grandson. I understand the gathering at Brodhead is 20 and 21 July (Fri and Sat). Is there a source of information about events during these two days. 4. I understand that the Grega plans are no longer available. I actually have a set of his original plans ($25.00). Plan number 2459. So a set from the Pietenpol family is in order. However, is the GN-1 a "better" version? I sure hope this does not start a fight. What other books or written material on Pietenpol construction is appropriate. (I have or will get the EAA materials on building wooden airplanes). Thanks to all.
Hi to all,
My name is Ray Olson and I live in Marietta, Ga (20miles north of Atlanta).
I sold my Sonex last Dec. It was mostly complete, needing only some engine
tuning, several other minor items and an airworthiness inspection. I am not
a pilot and that may not change.
I am finding that after building an airplane, building bird houses and other such
projects just doesn't cut it. I monitored the Pietenpol list before I started my Sonex
and I have been back on the list for about two months. I think a Pietenpol would
certainly be a building challenge and would teach me a whole lot about building
airplanes that I did not encounter with the Sonex. As like the usual newbie,
I have some questions and would appreciate any input the members of the list
would care to make.
1. Since the construction of a Pietenpol is pretty labor intensive, can a builder
construct a quality airframe and sell it it for at least the value of the materials used?
(remember I am not a pilot).
2. Is there a proven source of spruce, other than Wicks and AS&S. I have done
business with both and have no complaints. Janet Shumaker at Wicks was very good.
3. I would like to attend Brodhead this year with my Grandson. I understand the
gathering at Brodhead is 20 and 21 July (Fri and Sat). Is there a source of information
about events during these two days.
4. I understand that the Grega plans are no longer available. I actually have  a set of
his original plans ($25.00). Plan number 2459.  So a set from the Pietenpol family
is in order. However, is the GN-1 a "better" version? I sure hope this does not start
a fight. What other books or written material on Pietenpol construction is appropriate.
(I have or will get the EAA materials on building wooden airplanes).
Thanks to all.
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:06 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New prospectuve builder Hello Ray, The Piet is a very easy airplane to fly. I can't speak for the Grega but I am sure it would be at least as easy to fly. If you want to know my oppinion I would say don't worry about what the "Purist" say or think build what YOU want and enjoy. You can probably get what you have in materials out of it. Shad --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:16:19 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: The list Nothing has been posted lately. Is there something wrong with the list? do not archive ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:00 PM PST US From: "Alan Lyscars" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce Oscar, In case nobody ever told you, you're an artist. Keep filling their heads with sights and smells of Sitka like this and we'll have to grow the spruce hydroponically just to keep up with the demand!! Al Lyscars Portland, Maine GN-1 in Production ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce > > I would have to say that this wood business falls into the usual "less > filling/more taste" type of endless discussion where nobody is absolutely > right. There seem to be two types of people in every aspect of life, and > this one's no different. Sometimes I prefer buying things ready to go, > other times I want to do them myself. Wood is one thing I like to pick out > myself. I never knew that until I started my other project, the Flying > Squirrel, but now I know that I want to handle, select, cut, mill, and > finish my own wood rather than have a precut bundle delivered to my door. > > Some folks will get a lot of pleasure out of locating, grading, measuring, > ripping, planing, and sawing all their wood from rough-sawn planks. Others > want to get a "wood kit" with everything pretty much there so they can grab > a piece from the bundle, fit it to their jig, cut to length, and get busy > building. If you want to make a big leap and see progress in a short time, > purchase a wood kit from Wicks or AS&S and you'll soon have a "boat", or a > stack of ribs, or some tail feathers to show for it. If you'd rather > measure, shape, cut, fit, and personally make each piece of your airplane... > then go out and find some likely planks and cut away everything that doesn't > look like part of an airplane. > > Each builder will have to decide for his/her self... there is no right or > wrong answer. Me, I like the smell of wood and I like the sound of > woodworking tools. I'll go the rough-sawn route. I never knew I liked wood > so much until I started seeing those nice pieces coming out the other side > of the planer and table saw, perfectly to the dimension I made them. Wood > is such a wonderful material to work with, and I guess that's part of the > reason why Piets are such wonderful machines. No pop rivets. > > do not archive > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > i'm making a difference. Make every IM count for the cause of your choice. > Join Now. > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:13 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New prospectuve builder From: The Grega/Pietenpol that I fly is very much like my N3 Pup which is supposed to be the same as a J3.They both handle very much the same except that the Grega/Piet is much more powerful. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of shad bell Sent: March 18, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New prospectuve builder Hello Ray, The Piet is a very easy airplane to fly. I can't speak for the Grega but I am sure it would be at least as easy to fly. If you want to know my oppinion I would say don't worry about what the "Purist" say or think build what YOU want and enjoy. You can probably get what you have in materials out of it. Shad ________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:14 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The list There has been stuff posted all day. Better check your subscription walt evans NX140DL "Put your wealth in knowledge, and no one can ever take it from you" Ben Franklin ----- Original Message ----- From: Pietsrneat@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: The list Nothing has been posted lately. Is there something wrong with the list? do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:39 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce As we have noted here in the past, good clear douglas fir is an acceptable substitute for sitka. I have just finished cutting up all the stock for a new fuselage for the project we will build at Sun n Fun. ( more on that later ) I bought clear 1/4 sawn fir in 1x8x16' lenghts at $1.29 per foot. Compare that to sitka. Huge savings for a bit heavier wood, but stronger, if you don't mind the painful slivers. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:24 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce I just received my order of DF. Rough cut 50x100mm x 5.4m lengths @ $17.50 per metre. Thats quite a lot more than you pay in the States, but thats the price of building in Australia. Still quite a lot cheaper than Spruce! JohnW Perth, Western Australia ---- Original Message ---- From: horzpool@goldengate.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchasing spruce >As we have noted here in the past, good clear douglas fir is an >acceptable substitute for sitka. I have just finished cutting up all >the stock for a new fuselage for the project we will build at Sun n >Fun. ( more on that later ) I bought clear 1/4 sawn fir in 1x8x16' >lenghts at $1.29 per foot. Compare that to sitka. Huge savings for >a bit heavier wood, but stronger, if you don't mind the painful >slivers. >Dick N. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:05 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: purchacing spruce A correction to my post on douglas fir price. The $1.29 price was for some 1x3 stock I bought. 1x8x16' was $4.68 per ft. That is finished sanded. 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