---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/25/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Re: 41CC cruise performance () 2. 05:55 AM - Re: Carl Vought's projects... (MICHAEL SILVIUS) 3. 07:01 AM - (no subject) (Isablcorky@aol.com) 4. 07:22 AM - Re: 41CC cruise performance (walt evans) 5. 08:54 AM - Carl's mill and lathe (Oscar Zuniga) 6. 10:08 AM - Re: 41CC cruise performance (Rick Holland) 7. 10:58 AM - High pressure water blaster safety (walt evans) 8. 01:14 PM - 41CC cruise performance (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 01:25 PM - GN-1 plans (DJ Vegh) 10. 03:15 PM - Re: New prospectuve builder (larryb) 11. 03:17 PM - Re: High pressure water blaster safety (Pietsrneat@aol.com) 12. 04:38 PM - Re: 41CC cruise performance (Gene & Tammy) 13. 04:57 PM - Re: (no subject) (Gene & Tammy) 14. 06:33 PM - Covering materials (skellytownflyer) 15. 06:33 PM - Re: (no subject) (Wizzard187@aol.com) 16. 06:58 PM - Re: (no subject) (Gene & Tammy) 17. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: New prospectuve builder (Rick Holland) 18. 07:53 PM - 41CC cruise performance (Oscar Zuniga) 19. 08:48 PM - Better Smoke (Rcaprd@aol.com) 20. 08:51 PM - Slick Mag e-gap (Rcaprd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance From: Ya,right ,high speed pass,I hear ya.I remember once I did what I thought was a high speed pass in an ultralight called a Lazair.I even called it in.All the guys layed on the ground as if to simulate my pressure wave had knocked them down.I was doing 30 mph.Who knows what the ground speed was but it was less than 30 for sure.What a hoot.When I landed everybody said in unison "high speed pass eh"!Right!Thanks for the flight Oscar. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: March 24, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Well, today was a bit windy but it was pretty much right down the runway so I went up for a while. Trimmed out in level cruise with about 1/2 tank and just me aboard, things settled down and I intentionally set 2350 RPM on the tach (not sure if it's calibrated though). Level cruise about 68 MPH indicated. This is Pietenpol country. If I firewall the throttle I can increase cruise to 70-75 easily, but the airplane feels like it's fighting me a little bit and I have to keep my head down behind the windscreen. If I set things like they really want to be, I can hold my head normally and things settle down pretty well. I made a high-speed pass again, but with a 15-20 MPH headwind right down the runway, nobody was impressed when 41CC came purring down the runway at a groundspeed just a little better than the tractor that was mowing the areas alongside the runway. My landing wasn't anything to write home about, but the wind was at least 15, quartering when I touched down, so I was happy. The tires and spring gear take all the embarassment out of bounced landings, I'm glad to say. This is a fun airplane! Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN Presents today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A0 7001 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:11 AM PST US From: "MICHAEL SILVIUS" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Carl Vought's projects... Ken: I believe I heard that was Mark Langford KR builder par-excelance over at the Corvair list. michael ----- Original Message ----- From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP Oscar & Max.......... I wished I knew who ended up with the Bridgeport Mill and lathe.....I heard it went for $2,800.00 including all tooling...... Rats! Ken H Fargo, ND ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:44 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Am involved in a nasty job. Cleaning a fuel tank coated with fuel varnish. Anyone who could offer a suggestion to make this job a bit easier but still thorough I would appreciate hearing from Corky( Aeronca Defender Tank) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:51 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Oscar, Read your performance stats,,,doesn't that had a 65 on it? What prop? thanks Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance > > > Well, today was a bit windy but it was pretty much right down the runway > so I went up for a while. Trimmed out in level cruise with about 1/2 tank > and just me aboard, things settled down and I intentionally set 2350 RPM > on the tach (not sure if it's calibrated though). Level cruise about 68 > MPH indicated. This is Pietenpol country. > > If I firewall the throttle I can increase cruise to 70-75 easily, but the > airplane feels like it's fighting me a little bit and I have to keep my > head down behind the windscreen. If I set things like they really want to > be, I can hold my head normally and things settle down pretty well. > > I made a high-speed pass again, but with a 15-20 MPH headwind right down > the runway, nobody was impressed when 41CC came purring down the runway at > a groundspeed just a little better than the tractor that was mowing the > areas alongside the runway. > > My landing wasn't anything to write home about, but the wind was at least > 15, quartering when I touched down, so I was happy. The tires and spring > gear take all the embarassment out of bounced landings, I'm glad to say. > This is a fun airplane! > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN > Presents today. > http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:01 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Carl's mill and lathe Oh, I know exactly where Carl's mill and lathe went. They are now in Mark Langford's shop in Harvest, AL. Mark is the guru of KR building and has a fabulous wealth of information on KRs and Corvairs on his website, is the list admin on the KRNet and Corvaircraft lists, and was featured in the KR article in Sport Aviation in December. He is a really great guy. Mark took the photos and put up the website that showed Carl's Piet projects and did the talking with Barbara Vought to get his stuff sold at a fair price. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:27 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Oscar Just put a smoke system on that thing like Mike and Chuck's and they will be impressed (or they will be scarred to death, call the fire department, then send you the bill when they figure out that your Piet is designed to smoke). Rick > > > I made a high-speed pass again, but with a 15-20 MPH headwind right down > the > runway, nobody was impressed when 41CC came purring down the runway at a > groundspeed just a little better than the tractor that was mowing the > areas > alongside the runway. > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:58:23 AM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Pietenpol-List: High pressure water blaster safety Juat wanted to share pics of the almost healed leg of a co-worker. Went thru his calf like a 32 cal. Be careful when cleaning those greasy engine rebuilds. do not archive Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:14:03 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Walt asks- >Read your performance stats,,,doesn't that had a 65 on it? >What prop? Yes, it has an A65 on it and the prop is a Hegy 72x42 prop on it. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:15 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 plans finally heard back from Bob Grega today via email. He does not want the GN-1 plans distributed in any way shape or form. So I guess for now at least it looks like the GN-1 may fall by the wayside since plans are currently unavailable and no telling when or if they ever will be. To those who are looking for GN-1 plans... I guess just try to see if anyone who bought a set and has not decided to build from them may sell them to you... or go the authentic route and get Pietenpol plans. DJ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:59 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New prospectuve builder From: "larryb" Ray - I live in Conyers and also had an interest in both GN-1 and the Pete. I was surprised to see from DJ Vegh's post that the GN-1 is not currently available. But I'll tell you what one fellow told me. I was asking him about the differences, and how I was confused about which way to go, and he finally asked me, "Do you want advice from someone who has built and flown both the Pete and the GN-1?" I said, "Sure!" (I didn't know he'd done both.} He suggested the following: 1. Build the Pietenpol. 2. Build it out of wood. and 3. Build the long fuselage version. On someone else's advice, I actually bought GN-1 AND Pietenpol plans. The reason being, they are similar enough that the Grega plans (and I have the new CAD drawings) can sometimes add clarity to the Pete plans. That may be blasphemy, but it works for me. Also, check with a couple of the EAA chapters west of Atlanta--- Carrolton, or Villa Rica, or ??? I don't remember which one, but one of them has 4,5, or 6 guys all building Petes and they should be done about now. I know some of them at least were hoping to fly to Brodhead this summer. -------- Larry M Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102870#102870 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:47 PM PST US From: Pietsrneat@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: High pressure water blaster safety In a message dated 3/25/2007 2:00:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, waltdak@verizon.net writes: Juat wanted to share pics of the almost healed leg of a co-worker. Went thru his calf like a 32 cal. Be careful when cleaning those greasy engine rebuilds. Guess he won't be doing any more panty hose commercials. do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:24 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Oscar, You may want to check your tack. The continental A65 table of specifications lists the Rated RPM as 2300 and the recommended cruising RPM as 2150. Gene N502R & rebuilding my A65 ----- Original Message ----- From: "walt evans" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance > > Oscar, > Read your performance stats,,,doesn't that had a 65 on it? > What prop? > thanks > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oscar Zuniga" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:10 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance > > >> >> >> Well, today was a bit windy but it was pretty much right down the runway >> so I went up for a while. Trimmed out in level cruise with about 1/2 >> tank and just me aboard, things settled down and I intentionally set 2350 >> RPM on the tach (not sure if it's calibrated though). Level cruise about >> 68 MPH indicated. This is Pietenpol country. >> >> If I firewall the throttle I can increase cruise to 70-75 easily, but the >> airplane feels like it's fighting me a little bit and I have to keep my >> head down behind the windscreen. If I set things like they really want >> to be, I can hold my head normally and things settle down pretty well. >> >> I made a high-speed pass again, but with a 15-20 MPH headwind right down >> the runway, nobody was impressed when 41CC came purring down the runway >> at a groundspeed just a little better than the tractor that was mowing >> the areas alongside the runway. >> >> My landing wasn't anything to write home about, but the wind was at least >> 15, quartering when I touched down, so I was happy. The tires and spring >> gear take all the embarassment out of bounced landings, I'm glad to say. >> This is a fun airplane! >> >> Oscar Zuniga >> San Antonio, TX >> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com >> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN >> Presents today. >> http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline&ocid=T002MSN03A07001 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:16 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Corky, Give "Brake Parts Cleaner" a try. Wal-Mart brand (Super Tech) is some of the best I've used and it's only about a buck twenty-five a can. I've tried some from other auto stores without much luck. I just used some to clean all the grease and gunk from my engine and while doing so it also took all the paint off. Repainting has been a breeze. I've never tried it on fuel varnish but I don't see why it wouldn't work well. Gene Still looking for a camshaft and a crush ring for my A65.----- Original Message ----- From: Isablcorky@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Pieters, Am involved in a nasty job. Cleaning a fuel tank coated with fuel varnish. Anyone who could offer a suggestion to make this job a bit easier but still thorough I would appreciate hearing from Corky( Aeronca Defender Tank) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering materials From: "skellytownflyer" I am trying to get a list of materials I need to start covering the wings.I have plenty of fabric as well as Polybrush and Polyspray to at least get me a long way.I want to get the tapes and such so I can get a start as soon as I'm ready.I find Aircraft Spruce sells 2" wide pinked edge Dacron finishing tapes for 9.30 for 50 yd rolls or same thing in Polyester Stits stuff for 27.70 am I wrong in thinking the generic Dacron tapes will work just as well? I am a tightwad but DJ did a beautiful job on the tailfeathers and I don't want to mess up the deal saving a hundred or two here on tapes.raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102922#102922 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:50 PM PST US From: Wizzard187@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Corky, When people started using ethanol it plugged fuel filters in older cars. Probably was the varnish. ken in corn growing Iowa ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:16 PM PST US From: "Gene & Tammy" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Ken, Or it could have been the carb parts and hose that were destroyed by the alcohol. Gene----- Original Message ----- From: Wizzard187@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: (no subject) Corky, When people started using ethanol it plugged fuel filters in older cars. Probably was the varnish. ken in corn growing Iowa ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:19 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: New prospectuve builder I also bought both plans and the GN1 plans did help clarify some things and provided ways to do some things that are not in the Piet plans, like seatbelts, telescoping step, cub style gear, etc. The new cad GN1 plans are very nice, any idea why Grega stopped selling plans? I would assume legal liability issues same as Ratan with the EZs. Rick On 3/25/07, larryb wrote: > > > Ray - I live in Conyers and also had an interest in both GN-1 and the > Pete. I was surprised to see from DJ Vegh's post that the GN-1 is not > currently available. But I'll tell you what one fellow told me. I was asking > him about the differences, and how I was confused about which way to go, and > he finally asked me, "Do you want advice from someone who has built and > flown both the Pete and the GN-1?" I said, "Sure!" (I didn't know he'd done > both.} He suggested the following: 1. Build the Pietenpol. 2. Build it out > of wood. and 3. Build the long fuselage version. > On someone else's advice, I actually bought GN-1 AND Pietenpol plans. The > reason being, they are similar enough that the Grega plans (and I have the > new CAD drawings) can sometimes add clarity to the Pete plans. That may be > blasphemy, but it works for me. Also, check with a couple of the EAA > chapters west of Atlanta--- Carrolton, or Villa Rica, or ??? I don't > remember which one, but one of them has 4,5, or 6 guys all building Petes > and they should be done about now. I know some of them at least were hoping > to fly to Brodhead this summer. > > -------- > Larry M > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=102870#102870 > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:42 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 41CC cruise performance Gene wrote- >You may want to check your tack. I have every intention of doing that the next time I find someone with an optical tach. >The continental A65 table of specifications lists the Rated RPM as 2300 >and the recommended cruising RPM as 2150. I saw that. But hey- maybe Corky converted it to a 75 and didn't tell me? ;o) I suppose if I checked the tach and it's OK, then I could change my prop to add some pitch and give me 2300 at WOT, then back off to 2150 for cruise at 75% power? Or I guess maybe I need to be more gentle on the throttle, and/or move the throttle stop to where WOT only gives me 2300. It just seems like if I do that, I leave horsepower on the table and what's the sense in that? The engine seems very happy the way it's being operated. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:21 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Better Smoke I got the ignition system operational today, and tested the engine to see if I got the mags timed right. Hasn't ran since November, and she fired up and idled on the first blade. Sweet music !! I had wrapped the exhaust pipes with 2" fiberglass (exhaust wrap), to keep the exhaust gas temp higher for better smoke, and better exhaust gas scavenging. It Worked !! Much more smoke !! Chuck G. NX770CG Smoke 'em if ya got 'em !! ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:36 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slick Mag e-gap I wasn't able to check the e-gap of the slick mag's, because I haven't got the tool to do it...yet. I don't think I'm getting enough rpm on static run up, so I've got to get that tool, and pull the mags again to check the e-gap. Has anyone ever checked the e-gap on their slick mags ??? Chuck G. 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