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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Corvair List (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
2. 06:01 AM - Re: Pietenpol used in TV eposode ()
3. 09:17 AM - Aluminum Wing? (GeneWeber)
4. 10:23 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing? (baileys)
5. 10:36 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing? ()
6. 10:51 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing? (DJ Vegh)
7. 11:04 AM - Re: Aluminum Wing? ()
8. 01:40 PM - Re: Aluminum Wing? (GeneWeber)
9. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
10. 02:39 PM - Alum. wing (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
11. 02:48 PM - Re: Slick Mag e-gap (Jim Sury)
12. 02:53 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? (Wayne E. Bressler Jr.)
13. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? (Steve Glass)
14. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? ()
15. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? (Amsafetyc@aol.com)
16. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Aluminum Wing? (HelsperSew@aol.com)
17. 05:38 PM - Re: Pietenpol used in TV eposode (Clif Dawson)
18. 05:39 PM - alum wing (Dick Navratil)
19. 05:49 PM - Re: alum wing (Phillips, Jack)
20. 05:53 PM - Re: Aluminum Wing? (Graham Hansen)
21. 06:22 PM - Magneto tools (John B Franklin Jr)
22. 06:28 PM - Re: Pietenpol used in TV eposode (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
23. 07:40 PM - Re: alum wing (Dick Navratil)
24. 08:09 PM - ????????? Aluminum Wing, Surely you Jest ????????? (Marc Dumay)
25. 08:21 PM - Re: Aluminum Wing? (Roman Bukolt)
26. 08:32 PM - Re: Magneto tools (Jim Sury)
27. 09:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol used in TV eposode (Shawn Wolk)
28. 11:07 PM - Re: Magneto tools (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair List |
Larry:
heres is the link to sign up:
http://www.krnet.org/corvaircraft_inst.html
michael silvius
scarborough, maine.
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From: "Larry Rice" <rice@iapdatacom.net>
>
> What Corvair list? I'd like to get on that one.
>
> Larry the microMong guy
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| Subject: | tenpol-List:Pietenpol used in TV eposode |
I was watching a special last night about Vimy Ridge where the Canadians
took the Germans in the First World War using a technique called
creeping barrage and they had to use a Pietenpol to depict the old type
aircraft they would have used in the War.We all know that the Piet
wasn't around back then and I got a kick out of these guys using it for
the show.The camera man had a hell of a time getting into the front seat
until they finally figured it out.What a hoot.The show was called Vimy
Ridge Heaven to Hell or something like that.In the animation they showed
the real planes that would have been used.I think Bernard would have
gotten a kick out of this show.
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Hi Folks,
Seems like almost everything under the sun has been tried regarding the AirCamper.
I'm curious if anyone has used an aluminum wing on one? If so, does anyone
know how the weight of the aluminum wing compared to a wooden one?
Thanks,
Gene Weber
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
IMHO a properly built up aluminum spar would be lighter, stronger and
cheaper than certified aircraft quality spruce.
Aluminum ribs would be very easy to fabricate. If one covered the D
section with aluminum it would be very rigid.
don't know about the overall cost, but it would probably save a lot of
time. I imagine that most Pietenpol fans would consider it pure heresy.
If I did build one that way I don't believe I would call ot a
Pietenpol.
Just the musings of an old fool, <grin>
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: GeneWeber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
Hi Folks,
Seems like almost everything under the sun has been tried regarding
the AirCamper. I'm curious if anyone has used an aluminum wing on one?
If so, does anyone know how the weight of the aluminum wing compared to
a wooden one?
Thanks,
Gene Weber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103213#103213
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Well I don't know why not .There are Pietenpols out there that are made
out of metal so why not the wing. I would still keep the spars wood
though since wood bends more and less vibration. My N3 Pup wings are
made exactly as you describe and if they were made bigger then they
could easily fit on the Piet since the N3 Pup is really a J3 only =BE
size and the GN-1 is the same as a J3. And the GN-1 is the same as a
Piet ,right.;-)
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of baileys
Sent: March 27, 2007 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
IMHO a properly built up aluminum spar would be lighter, stronger and
cheaper than certified aircraft quality spruce.
Aluminum ribs would be very easy to fabricate. If one covered the D
section with aluminum it would be very rigid.
don't know about the overall cost, but it would probably save a lot of
time. I imagine that most Pietenpol fans would consider it pure heresy.
If I did build one that way I don't believe I would call ot a
Pietenpol.
Just the musings of an old fool, <grin>
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: GeneWeber <mailto:em2@vzavenue.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
Hi Folks,
Seems like almost everything under the sun has been tried regarding the
AirCamper. I'm curious if anyone has used an aluminum wing on one? If
so, does anyone know how the weight of the aluminum wing compared to a
wooden one?
Thanks,
Gene Weber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103213#103213
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
perhaps call it a :
TunaCamper?
AlumaPete?
PietenSpam?
DJ Vegh
veghdesign.com
Mesa, AZ
602.743.5768
"Where there's a will there's a Vegh"
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----- Original Message -----
From: baileys
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
IMHO a properly built up aluminum spar would be lighter, stronger and
cheaper than certified aircraft quality spruce.
Aluminum ribs would be very easy to fabricate. If one covered the D
section with aluminum it would be very rigid.
don't know about the overall cost, but it would probably save a lot of
time. I imagine that most Pietenpol fans would consider it pure heresy.
If I did build one that way I don't believe I would call ot a
Pietenpol.
Just the musings of an old fool, <grin>
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: GeneWeber
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
Hi Folks,
Seems like almost everything under the sun has been tried regarding
the AirCamper. I'm curious if anyone has used an aluminum wing on one?
If so, does anyone know how the weight of the aluminum wing compared to
a wooden one?
Thanks,
Gene Weber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103213#103213
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I like Tunacamper!
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DJ Vegh
Sent: March 27, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
perhaps call it a :
TunaCamper?
AlumaPete?
PietenSpam?
DJ Vegh
veghdesign.com <http://www.veghdesign.com>
Mesa, AZ
602.743.5768
<http://www.veghdesign.com>
"Where there's a will there's a Vegh"
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----- Original Message -----
From: baileys <mailto:baileys@ktis.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
IMHO a properly built up aluminum spar would be lighter,
stronger and cheaper than certified aircraft quality spruce.
Aluminum ribs would be very easy to fabricate. If one covered
the D section with aluminum it would be very rigid.
don't know about the overall cost, but it would probably save a
lot of time. I imagine that most Pietenpol fans would consider it pure
heresy. If I did build one that way I don't believe I would call ot a
Pietenpol.
Just the musings of an old fool, <grin>
Bob B.
----- Original Message -----
From: GeneWeber <mailto:em2@vzavenue.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
em2@vzavenue.net>
Hi Folks,
Seems like almost everything under the sun has been
tried regarding the AirCamper. I'm curious if anyone has used an
aluminum wing on one? If so, does anyone know how the weight of the
aluminum wing compared to a wooden one?
Thanks,
Gene Weber
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103213#103213
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also be a
"GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane craftsman,
sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum wing. I'm
trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real experience/data
with the AirCamper in this regard.
Regards,
Gene
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
I am working on using a combined aluminum and wood wing spar sandwich design. My
research indicates a weight and stress advantage with the sandwich design. Has
anyone else considered that design alteration?
Would be interested in your thoughts!
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: "GeneWeber" <em2@vzavenue.net>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also be a
"GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane craftsman,
sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum wing. I'm
trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real experience/data
with the AirCamper in this regard.
Regards,
Gene
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103262#103262
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There was a picture in one of the news letter a couple of years ago that
showed a metal wing being built for a Piet. There has been no follow up
since. I ve also wondered about bildig an alum. tube fus. Built the way
some of those WW 1 replicas are with al. gussets and pop type rivits.
Some of them are full size, and there was a Newport 28 (?) at Osh. wit a
150 hp radial. So it should be plenty strong. Another way would be to
use al. angle with bolts (BD-4 style) or Avex rivits. .....or al. honey
comb with some sort of exotic Jim Beedy bonding agent (glue) like that
latest BD airplane. Leon S. in Ks. always thinking.
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| Subject: | Re: Slick Mag e-gap |
Chuck
Are you talking about a T-150 tool for checking the e-gap? I've been
looking to purchase one of them tools and was not able to find out who
sells them. Checked with Aircraft Spruce and they wanted to sell me the
electronic tool for setting the timing. Would appreciate if you have an
address of the supplier. I don't think the e-gap setting is gonna
imporve the static rpm. I have one mag that I broke the case on and had
to replace it. So now I need to set the e-gap. What is happening to me
is that the mag is not up to full change when it fires. On mag check the
engine runs rough on that mag. Not knowing how to set it I just let the
points open just as soon as they could which isn't right. Thanks Jim
Sury
----- Original Message -----
From: Rcaprd@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:51 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slick Mag e-gap
I wasn't able to check the e-gap of the slick mag's, because I haven't
got the tool to do it...yet. I don't think I'm getting enough rpm on
static run up, so I've got to get that tool, and pull the mags again to
check the e-gap. Has anyone ever checked the e-gap on their slick mags
???
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
In a really old issue of Sport Aviation, some writer (I can't remember
his name) went and interviewed Bernard Pietenpol. During his visit,
Bernard gave him a completed built-up Air Camper rib and an aluminum
Aeronca Champ rib for souvenirs. When the writer got home, he weighed
both ribs on a postal scale. The result? The aluminum weighed exactly
one ounce less than the wood rib. That's a saving of what? One or two
pounds? Not really worth the effort, I wouldn't think. But, to each
his own, right! ;-)
-Wayne Bressler
wayne@taildraggersinc.com
www.taildraggersinc.com
GeneWeber wrote:
>
> Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also be
a "GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
>
> Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane craftsman,
sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum wing. I'm
trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real experience/data
with the AirCamper in this regard.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gene
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103262#103262
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
Hi John
I'm sure you could come up with a aluminium wood sandwich spar that is
stronger and lighter than just wood. The question is what you would use to
bond it together with and how you would deal with the different coefficents
of expansion particularly with large temperature changes over time. How
would it be possible to inspect this bond.
Just my thoughts.
Steve in Maine
>From: Amsafetyc@aol.com
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:32:40 +0000
>
>
>I am working on using a combined aluminum and wood wing spar sandwich
>design. My research indicates a weight and stress advantage with the
>sandwich design. Has anyone else considered that design alteration?
>
>Would be interested in your thoughts!
>
>John
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "GeneWeber" <em2@vzavenue.net>
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:52
>To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
>
>
>Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also
>be a "GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
>
>Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane
>craftsman, sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum
>wing. I'm trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real
>experience/data with the AirCamper in this regard.
>
>Regards,
>
>Gene
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103262#103262
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
As an engineer, I would be concerned about the difference in moduli of elasticity
when using two quite different materials such as aluminum and wood. I would
really like to see your spar design and calculations.
Mike Hardaway
PS: for those who don't know, pairing up materials of different elasticity can
allow the stiffer material to absorb most of the stress when the composite structure
is loaded. A composite structure has to be carefully designed to benefit
from the combined properties of the two materials.
---- Amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
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> I am working on using a combined aluminum and wood wing spar sandwich design.
My research indicates a weight and stress advantage with the sandwich design.
Has anyone else considered that design alteration?
>
> Would be interested in your thoughts!
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "GeneWeber" <em2@vzavenue.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:52
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
>
>
> Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also be
a "GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
>
> Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane craftsman,
sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum wing. I'm
trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real experience/data
with the AirCamper in this regard.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103262#103262
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
Still in research and evaluation. Awaiting engineering stress analysis of spar
for dynamic loading of the structure in addition to torsion evaluation as a major
engineering concern in stress application. The rates of expansion due to thermal
changes should not be that dramatic as to creating an issue affecting a
bond. I am considering a full width fastner backed up with a capable adhesive.
Considering a 3M product. All issues remain up in the air till stress analysis
is complete
John
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: <bike.mike@charter.net>
To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
As an engineer, I would be concerned about the difference in moduli of elasticity
when using two quite different materials such as aluminum and wood. I would
really like to see your spar design and calculations.
Mike Hardaway
PS: for those who don't know, pairing up materials of different elasticity can
allow the stiffer material to absorb most of the stress when the composite structure
is loaded. A composite structure has to be carefully designed to benefit
from the combined properties of the two materials.
---- Amsafetyc@aol.com wrote:
>
> I am working on using a combined aluminum and wood wing spar sandwich design.
My research indicates a weight and stress advantage with the sandwich design.
Has anyone else considered that design alteration?
>
> Would be interested in your thoughts!
>
> John
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "GeneWeber" <em2@vzavenue.net>
> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:38:52
> To:pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Wing?
>
>
> Hmmm, if the aluminum is highly polished instead of painted it could also be
a "GlareCamper". Or should that be "GlairCamper"? [Wink]
>
> Yes, from what I've read, and from a discussion with a "seasoned" airplane craftsman,
sounds like there could be a weight advantage to an aluminum wing. I'm
trying to "think light". It would be great if someone had real experience/data
with the AirCamper in this regard.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gene
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103262#103262
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
Sorry guys, but being an old world low and slow airplane builder, my eyes
are beginning to glaze over.
Me thinks you should switch to one of those high-tech lists.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Pietenpol used in TV eposode |
That's Shawn's plane, C-FRAZ
http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=103246
It's on twice more.
Clif
>
>
> I was watching a special last night about Vimy Ridge where the Canadians
> took the Germans in the First World War using a technique called
> creeping barrage and they had to use a Pietenpol to depict the old type
> aircraft they would have used in the War.We all know that the Piet
> wasn't around back then and I got a kick out of these guys using it for
> the show.The camera man had a hell of a time getting into the front seat
> until they finally figured it out.What a hoot.The show was called Vimy
> Ridge Heaven to Hell or something like that.In the animation they showed
> the real planes that would have been used.I think Bernard would have
> gotten a kick out of this show.
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Wouldnt it be better to have this aluminum discussion a couple of days
later, say April 1?
Dick N.
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Naw, on April 1st I want to have a discussion about a carbon fiber spar
for the Pietenpol.
Having just finished riveting together the tail section for an RV-10, I
say anyone who wants to do that for a whole wing of a Pietenpol instead
of the joy of creating a work of art in wood needs his head examined.
Fortunately, the RV-10 has a "quickbuild" kit option for the wing. The
Pietenpol doesn't have such an option. And doesn't need it for the wood
wing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Plotting out my course to Sun 'n' Fun in a couple of weeks
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: alum wing
Wouldnt it be better to have this aluminum discussion a couple of days
later, say April 1?
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
Perhaps 15 years ago, I built a sample Pietenpol wing rib from .020" 2024
T3 aluminum alloy angles as a design study. It was relatively easy to
fabricate, and took less time than making a standard Pietenpol rib. I never
pursued the concept and gave it to a friend who still has it.
The plan was to use wooden spars with aluminum ribs, leading edge skin and
trailing edge in much the same way the wings of a Cub, Taylorcraft or
Aeronca were built. It was felt that some weight could be saved by doing
so. In any case, I would like to see someone try this approach; it won't be
me because, as BHP used to say, "I've had too many birthdays!".
If one could find extruded aluminum spars similar to those used on Piper
airplanes, an all-metal wing structure could be had (fabric-covered, of
course). Using blank Cub type spar extrusions would require changing the
airfoil section, and this likely wouldn't be acceptable to Pietenpol lovers
(myself included). I don't know if any weight could be saved by using metal
spars, somebody out there will likely check this out.
It would be virtually impossible to save weight in the "tail feathers" by
going to metal. The wooden empennage is just about as light as it is
possible to make it, and there is no advantage in abandoning the standard
wooden version. I built a steel tubing fuselage years ago and sold it to a
fellow who finished the airplane. The tail surfaces were of steel tubing
with light steel channel ribs. While the basic fuselage structure was
lighter than the wooden one, there wasn't much difference by the time the
seat supports, brackets for controls, etc. were added. Nevertheless, the
completed airplane flew well and its empty weight was about average for the
type.
I don't think it would be inappropriate for someone to design an all-metal
wing structure, provided the appearance of the Pietenpol airplane isn't
compromised too much. An alternative to scarce and expensive aircraft
quality spruce would be beneficial, in my humble opinion.
Go for it!
Graham Hansen [Pietenpol CF-AUN (wood structure) in
Alberta, Canada]
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Jim,
Sacramento Sky Ranch has several tools for working on mags including a T150, here's
the link:
http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_Magneto_tools_52.html
See you Saturday!
John F.
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Pietenpol used in TV eposode |
thats very cool, do we know if it is airing here in the US any time??
michael
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From: "Clif Dawson" <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> That's Shawn's plane, C-FRAZ
>
> http://www.history.ca/ontv/titledetails.aspx?titleid=103246
>
> It's on twice more.
>
> Clif
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Hey Jack
I'll hopefully see you at SNF. I'll be there all week, working in the
wood workshop again this year. I know Skip Gadd and P.F. Beck will also
be there. We are going to try building a Volmer Amphib fuselage at the
show this year. Should be interesting.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:48 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: alum wing
Naw, on April 1st I want to have a discussion about a carbon fiber
spar for the Pietenpol.
Having just finished riveting together the tail section for an RV-10,
I say anyone who wants to do that for a whole wing of a Pietenpol
instead of the joy of creating a work of art in wood needs his head
examined. Fortunately, the RV-10 has a "quickbuild" kit option for the
wing. The Pietenpol doesn't have such an option. And doesn't need it
for the wood wing.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Plotting out my course to Sun 'n' Fun in a couple of weeks
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 5:31 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: alum wing
Wouldnt it be better to have this aluminum discussion a couple of days
later, say April 1?
Dick N.
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| Subject: | ????????? Aluminum Wing, Surely you Jest ????????? |
Why would you, or any one else even consider an Aluminum Wing for a
Pietenpol?
A Pietenpol is a Pietenpol
Aluminum is great, great for some other type and purpose.
To inflict such an idea upon a nostalgic design, and a bit of Aviation
History is outright wrong.
Lets make sure if one is built, that its ramped as far away as possible f
rom
the real Pietenpol builders.
Cloth and wood, is what makes a Pietenpol as great as it is.
No offense intended. LOL
Captain Marcus, On
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Wing? |
I vaguely recall, I believe, it was Bill Rewey who told me that someone
oncebuilt a Pietenpol wing using aluminum spars.
When it flew it was difficult to control because aileron deflection caused
the wing to warp.
Just a bit of "food for thought".
Roman Bukolt NX20795
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Wing?
> <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
>
> Perhaps 15 years ago, I built a sample Pietenpol wing rib from .020" 2024
> T3 aluminum alloy angles as a design study. It was relatively easy to
> fabricate, and took less time than making a standard Pietenpol rib. I
> never pursued the concept and gave it to a friend who still has it.
>
> The plan was to use wooden spars with aluminum ribs, leading edge skin and
> trailing edge in much the same way the wings of a Cub, Taylorcraft or
> Aeronca were built. It was felt that some weight could be saved by doing
> so. In any case, I would like to see someone try this approach; it won't
> be me because, as BHP used to say, "I've had too many birthdays!".
>
> If one could find extruded aluminum spars similar to those used on Piper
> airplanes, an all-metal wing structure could be had (fabric-covered, of
> course). Using blank Cub type spar extrusions would require changing the
> airfoil section, and this likely wouldn't be acceptable to Pietenpol
> lovers (myself included). I don't know if any weight could be saved by
> using metal spars, somebody out there will likely check this out.
>
> It would be virtually impossible to save weight in the "tail feathers" by
> going to metal. The wooden empennage is just about as light as it is
> possible to make it, and there is no advantage in abandoning the standard
> wooden version. I built a steel tubing fuselage years ago and sold it to a
> fellow who finished the airplane. The tail surfaces were of steel tubing
> with light steel channel ribs. While the basic fuselage structure was
> lighter than the wooden one, there wasn't much difference by the time the
> seat supports, brackets for controls, etc. were added. Nevertheless, the
> completed airplane flew well and its empty weight was about average for
> the type.
>
> I don't think it would be inappropriate for someone to design an all-metal
> wing structure, provided the appearance of the Pietenpol airplane isn't
> compromised too much. An alternative to scarce and expensive aircraft
> quality spruce would be beneficial, in my humble opinion.
>
> Go for it!
>
> Graham Hansen [Pietenpol CF-AUN (wood structure) in
> Alberta, Canada]
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto tools |
Thanks John I've been lookin for that tool for some time. Never used this
company before.
----- Original Message -----
From: "John B Franklin Jr" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto tools
> <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
>
> Jim,
>
> Sacramento Sky Ranch has several tools for working on mags including a
> T150, here's the link:
>
> http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_Magneto_tools_52.html
>
> See you Saturday!
>
> John F.
>
>
> ________________________________________
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: tenpol-List:Pietenpol used in TV eposode |
I really don't know if it'll ever air in the USA. You realize that
Vimy was before the US entered the war. So its not part of US history.
The History Television channel in Canada is owned by a company in
Georgia. So I would imagine that if enough people sent an email to them
they might show it in the US.
On another note. it was great to finally see the show in its finished
product. The scene of the camera/spotter getting in was quite funny in
real life. The last time we talked about it. He (Capt. Roeder, Princess
Patricia Canadian Light Infantry) and myself joking that the director
wasn't going to cut that scene. He really didn't want his ass broadcast
on National Television. Once I trained him on how to get in. It was much
easier the second time. When they were looking for an appropriate
aircraft to use. It was very hard to find any WW1 aircraft in actual
flying condition that could be available in the prairies in November. In
the actual battle, an Airo DH2 would have been spotting. But I don't
believe any are flying in the world. There is one at the Canadian War
Museum in Ottawa and apparently at a museum in London. For the majority
of the public. The Pietenpol looks the part quite well.
The entire process of being involved in the production was both
educational and enlightening. There are only 2 Canadian WW1 veterans
still alive. (106 & 107 years old) And its films like this that will
make us remember the monumental victory and great sacrifice of these
young men. Fighting so far away from home.
'Lest we forget'
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| Subject: | Re: Magneto tools |
Jim,
Sacramento Sky Ranch is a good company and is only a mile or so from where I
work. They know a heck of a lot about engines.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Sury" <jimsury@consolidated.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Magneto tools
> <jimsury@consolidated.net>
>
> Thanks John I've been lookin for that tool for some time. Never used this
> company before.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John B Franklin Jr" <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> To: "Piet_List" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 8:22 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Magneto tools
>
>
>> <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> Sacramento Sky Ranch has several tools for working on mags including a
>> T150, here's the link:
>>
>> http://www.sacskyranch.com/acatalog/Sacramento_Sky_Ranch_Magneto_tools_52.html
>>
>> See you Saturday!
>>
>> John F.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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