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1. 04:19 AM - Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy (Phillips, Jack)
2. 08:16 AM - Re: another view (del magsam)
3. 09:02 AM - Re: Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy ()
4. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy ()
5. 10:19 AM - Crosswinds & aileron (Steve Ruse)
6. 11:00 AM - Re: Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
7. 11:19 AM - Re: Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy ()
8. 11:25 AM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron ()
9. 11:54 AM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron (Bill Church)
10. 12:12 PM - Re: Crosswinds - Stick throws (DJ Vegh)
11. 12:45 PM - Crosswinds & aileron (Oscar Zuniga)
12. 01:45 PM - New Prop (Don Emch)
13. 01:58 PM - Re: New Prop (Don Emch)
14. 03:27 PM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron ()
15. 04:39 PM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron (walt evans)
16. 04:39 PM - Canadian TX Piet (skellytownflyer)
17. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: New Prop (Gene & Tammy)
18. 06:20 PM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron (Dennis Engelkenjohn)
19. 07:36 PM - Squishing the ends (Catdesigns)
20. 07:42 PM - Re: Crosswinds & aileron (Catdesigns)
21. 07:51 PM - New question from and old brain (Tom Stinemetze)
22. 08:29 PM - Re: Squishing the ends (Glenn Thomas)
23. 09:21 PM - Re: New question from and old brain (Catdesigns)
24. 09:22 PM - Re: New Prop (Catdesigns)
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| Subject: | bouncy, bouncy, bouncy |
Excellent post, Graham. Your experiences are very similar to mine. I
find the Pietenpol to be an excellent trainer due to the fact you've got
to do everything just right to get a perfect landing out of it. My RV-4
on the other hand will let me get sloppy. It is probably the easiest
plane to land I've ever flown. I'll fly it for a while and think I'm a
pretty good pilot, then fly the Piet and learn the truth, that I still
need a bit more practice.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Hansen
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy
I have, over the years, flown four different Pietenpols for a total of
perhaps 800 hours. Most of this was on wheels using grass runways and
some was on skis. Each of these aircraft (including my own) displayed
very similar characteristics and was easy to fly in relatively calm air,
but was "squirrelly" in wind and turbulence.
Turbulence isn't a real problem until one tries to land. The ground then
becomes a moving target. Under these conditions I always do a wheel
landing because I can maintain full control before, during and after
touchdown. And I generally find wheel landings best on paved runways,
too.
It is not easy to do consistently good 3-point landings, without a
bounce or a skip--even on grass. There is a tendency to overcontrol
during the flare phase of a power-off (engine idling) approach. When I
catch myself doing this, I make a conscious effort to gently begin the
flare a bit sooner and then make small corrections as required. Avoid
making coarse control inputs as much as possible, although they are
necessary in gusty conditions where finesse is out of the question
anyway.
The Pietenpol a good trainer. The DeHavilland Gypsy Moth and Tiger Moth
are less sensitive and easier to land than my Pietenpol. Both are noted
to be good trainers, but in my experience the Pietenpol requires a more
delicate touch.
The usual cure for a lot of landing problems is to use a bit (not much!)
of power on approach and ease it off slowly during the hold-off phase.
And if you mis-judge and bounce, don't get frustrated, Even the birds
miss sometimes!
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
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| Subject: | Re: another view |
The Orange piet appears to have less radius on top. Is that the riblett? or is
it the other way?
OK.....what's the answer....
Del
Roman Bukolt <conceptmodels@tds.net> wrote:
For you expertswith an eagle eye, here's another view of the two planes.
Riblett or Pietenpol. (airfoils that is)?
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| Subject: | Re: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy |
As a trainer I will still tout the qualities of the venerable Cessna 150. The 150
spamcan is more sensitive than it's larger Cessna brethren So in order to get
a "perfect" landing you need to do everything right from downwind over the
fence and thru the flair. Having said that you could almost land sideways and
the 150 would forgive you with a loud protest and a safe arrival on the 'Land-o-matic'
gear. The 172, designed more as a family transporter, is even more forgiving
than the 150 for a "perfect" landing.
I owned a 1959 150 and I always was improving my flying and especeially my landings.
It had to forgive some pretty bad landings. Good attributes in a trainer,
easy to fly safely but requiring "the right stuff" to do it really right.
Just lurking the site. I love Piets and would like to have one someday. Just not
in the cards right now.
Steve Dortch
living in Austin, but moving to San Antonio in the near future. Hope to meet you
and look your bird over Oscar.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy
> Excellent post, Graham. Your experiences are very similar to mine.
> I
> find the Pietenpol to be an excellent trainer due to the fact you've
> got
> to do everything just right to get a perfect landing out of it. My RV-4
> on the other hand will let me get sloppy. It is probably the easiest
> plane to land I've ever flown. I'll fly it for a while and think I'm
> a
> pretty good pilot, then fly the Piet and learn the truth, that I still
> need a bit more practice.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
> Hansen
> Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 9:55 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy
>
>
>
> I have, over the years, flown four different Pietenpols for a total of
> perhaps 800 hours. Most of this was on wheels using grass runways and
> some was on skis. Each of these aircraft (including my own) displayed
> very similar characteristics and was easy to fly in relatively calm air,
> but was "squirrelly" in wind and turbulence.
>
>
>
> Turbulence isn't a real problem until one tries to land. The ground then
> becomes a moving target. Under these conditions I always do a wheel
> landing because I can maintain full control before, during and after
> touchdown. And I generally find wheel landings best on paved runways,
> too.
>
>
>
> It is not easy to do consistently good 3-point landings, without a
> bounce or a skip--even on grass. There is a tendency to overcontrol
> during the flare phase of a power-off (engine idling) approach. When
> I
> catch myself doing this, I make a conscious effort to gently begin the
> flare a bit sooner and then make small corrections as required. Avoid
> making coarse control inputs as much as possible, although they are
> necessary in gusty conditions where finesse is out of the question
> anyway.
>
>
>
> The Pietenpol a good trainer. The DeHavilland Gypsy Moth and Tiger Moth
> are less sensitive and easier to land than my Pietenpol. Both are noted
> to be good trainers, but in my experience the Pietenpol requires a more
> delicate touch.
>
>
>
> The usual cure for a lot of landing problems is to use a bit (not much!)
> of power on approach and ease it off slowly during the hold-off phase.
>
>
>
> And if you mis-judge and bounce, don't get frustrated, Even the birds
> miss sometimes!
>
>
>
> Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | bouncy, bouncy, bouncy |
When I went for my tail dragger training with Samson in Hawksberry
(flying a Champ),when finished he remarked that," I flew like an airline
pilot". I never asked him what he ment by that and till this day I have
no idea what he was getting at. I hope it was a good comment.
Do not archive
As a trainer I will still tout the qualities of the venerable Cessna
150. The 150 spamcan is more sensitive than it's larger Cessna brethren
So in
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| Subject: | Crosswinds & aileron |
What is the maximum crosswind you will land in with your Pietenpol?
Last weekend I landed in a ~13-14mph direct crosswind on grass. This
was one of those crosswinds that is so perpendicular you can't decide
which way to land from the windsock, as it will slightly favor one way
or the other depending on when you look.
My first approach was too fast, I wasn't comfortable slowing to ~50mph
in that kind of wind while coming in just a few feet over power lines.
The next try, I extended my final past the numbers a little more,
and got it slowed down nicely for a full stall landing, touching the
tailwheel just before the mains touch, and with almost full up
elevator. It made for a nice, actually smooth landing with very
little forward speed left. All you have to do is maintain directional
control for two to three seconds before you are at a fast taxi speed
and easy to control. I was actually a little surprised at how well it
went, since I had been considering finding another runway after the
first attempt. I did it again later that day from the opposite
direction and it went equally well.
One problem I run into is stick travel. I can't get both full aileron
and full up elevator because my leg is in the way. I guess I could
either re-shape the stick or cut my legs off, but re-shaping the stick
might give me forward stick problems and I need my legs to work the
rudder, so neither option helps much. I've also thought about
increasing the radius of the "arm" on the ailerons, but there isn't
much room to do that either. Any thoughts?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | bouncy, bouncy, bouncy |
Harvey,
I have over heard a high time pilot/instructor make mention of that comment after
an annual check ride with a fellow pilot. When I asked what he meant(being
a student and able to ask stupid questions) he informed me that those pilots
which can line the plane up on center runway coming in to land and do it every
time (straight down the runway) are very good pilots who understand flying and
control coordination. He also said you can always tell a tail wheel pilot from
the rest on just how they line the plane up on final and their rudder inputs.
But hey....what do I know....just a student in training.....
My Instructor: Ted Davis
Broadhead, WI
KMHeide
Fargo, ND
harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
When I went for my tail dragger training with Samson in Hawksberry
(flying a Champ),when finished he remarked that," I flew like an airline
pilot". I never asked him what he ment by that and till this day I have
no idea what he was getting at. I hope it was a good comment.
Do not archive
As a trainer I will still tout the qualities of the venerable Cessna
150. The 150 spamcan is more sensitive than it's larger Cessna brethren
So in
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| Subject: | bouncy, bouncy, bouncy |
Thanks for the input;sounds like I was doing the right thing then.Good.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KMHeide,
BA, CPO, FAAOP
Sent: April 4, 2007 2:01 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Pietenpol-List: bouncy, bouncy, bouncy
Harvey,
I have over heard a high time pilot/instructor make mention of that
comment after an annual check ride with a fellow pilot. When I asked
what he meant(being a student and able to ask stupid questions) he
informed me that those pilots which can line the plane up on center
runway coming in to land and do it every time (straight down the runway)
are very good pilots who understand flying and control coordination. He
also said you can always tell a tail wheel pilot from the rest on just
how they line the plane up on final and their rudder inputs.
But hey....what do I know....just a student in training.....
My Instructor: Ted Davis
Broadhead, WI
KMHeide
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Crosswinds & aileron |
Is it possible to cut the stick shorter and still be able to hold onto
it,that way it could pass under your knee,just a thought.
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One problem I run into is stick travel. I can't get both full aileron
and full up elevator because my leg is in the way. I guess I could
either re-shape the stick or cut my legs off, but re-shaping the stick
might give me forward stick problems and I need my legs to work the
rudder, so neither option helps much. I've also thought about
increasing the radius of the "arm" on the ailerons, but there isn't
much room to do that either. Any thoughts?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Crosswinds & aileron |
Or maybe just notch a bit out of each leg?
Sorry - couldn't resist.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
Is it possible to cut the stick shorter and still be able to hold onto
it,that way it could pass under your knee,just a thought.
Do not archive
One problem I run into is stick travel. I can't get both full aileron
and full up elevator because my leg is in the way. I guess I could
either re-shape the stick or cut my legs off, but re-shaping the stick
might give me forward stick problems and I need my legs to work the
rudder, so neither option helps much. I've also thought about
increasing the radius of the "arm" on the ailerons, but there isn't much
room to do that either. Any thoughts?
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswinds - Stick throws |
hmmm..... how about a digital fly-by-wire control system. just crank up the
throws at the ECU. could probably mix in some spoilerons at that point and
just toss up the spoilers on touch down.
Actually I have done just that in an AirCamper. No kidding. It had
fly-by-wire control system, and the ailerons could be mixed to act as
spoilers or flaps. Also was able to digitally mix in some differential
aileron throw to help with adverse yaw.
Flew great!
a bit small though.... 48" wingspan and electric powered.
DJ
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| Subject: | Crosswinds & aileron |
Hey, I like the one about notching your leg enough to allow for more stick
travel! Actually, a nice Rube Goldberg setup would be to have a handgrip
lever on the stick that would engage a reduction gear, say 2:1, to double
the cable travel per unit of stick travel when needed. Or instead of
standard aileron cable pulleys, you could use some cam pulleys like the ones
used on compound bows to ratchet up the cable action as you near the end of
the pulley rotation. Try getting those puppies past your DAR or Tech
Counselor-!
And side note to Mr. Dortch in Austin- there are two other gents in the
Austin area who I've threatened to hook up with sometime by possibly flying
41CC in to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome just outside of Seguin (
http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html ). Maybe we can do that
one of these Saturdays so you can see my airplane and maybe go for a ride.
As an added bonus, one of the aircraft in the museum at Old Kingsbury is a
Pietenpol Sky Scout...
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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A few months back I started considering a new prop for my A-65 powered Piet. It
had a 72 x 44 Hegy on it. I bought it used and the previous owner claimed it
was re-pitched by Hegy to a 72 x 42. However it was not marked as such. So
I don't know for sure but I think it was probably still a 72 x 44. Anyway I
was getting decent climb and decent speed but that really isn't the right combination
for a Piet. In talking with a lot of the old timers and several propmakers
I decided it needed something flatter and since I have plenty of ground
clearance, something longer for more thrust area. After talking to Ed Sterba
for a few months we decided to try a 76 x 38. This size and pitch is not available
from anyone as an off-the-shelf prop. But Ed can custom carve. He has
some shapes and profiles that he typically carves but I wanted something that
looked a little like the props I had seen on Mr. Pietenpol's ships in the 30's.
Ed Sterba is a very talented guy that can carve a prop profile based on pictures.
So I sent him several shots of old Piets. He used these to hand carve
a cool looking 76 x 38 prop. I was hoping to gain a little rpm with the flatter
pitch, but I knew the length might keep it down. He suggested cutting it
down to 74" if my rpm is still a little low, but I hate to lose all that effective
thrust area. Well, I finally got the prop and tried it out over the weekend.
The rpm did not increase at all like I was hoping for. I get about 1950
rpm static. But there was a great increase in the climb. No increase in rpm,
but there must be quite a bit more thrust. The real surprise came when I leveled
off. I was expecting quite a loss in top end and cruise. I still topped
out at 95 mph, which is way too fast for a Piet! Too many weird things going
on at that speed! Cruise was still upper 70's. I was expecting 70 at best.
During my test run it started to rain fairly hard so I was only up about 15
minutes. I only got to make one take off which is what I'm most interested in.
I do kn!
ow that
I flew the day before with my other prop in almost identical conditions and was
easily off nearly 100 feet quicker. Another bonus of the prop is the terrific
smoothness. Ed does a fantastic job of balancing. I'm struggling a little
with the rpm, I'd like a little more, but other than that I'm very, very happy
with the prop. Unfortunately I had to wait over 9 weeks for the thing but he
did a super job and it is well worth it. Highly recommended!!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I just read my last post and one statement didn't come out quite right. I meant
to say I was off about 100 feet quicker with the new prop. Once again, I'm
really happy with the new prop. It gives the ship a real kick in the tail! If
I could just get that rpm up a little bit...
Don E.
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswinds & aileron |
Oscar, sounds great, I will establish contact and milk you for info on the SA Area.
BTW in the museum in Canadian, Texas there is a piet that was built by a rancher
to check his cattle. He put skis on it and taught himself to fly on them for
the winter snow storms. A local pilot told me that the rancher started leaving
the skis on year round and simply flew it off of dry buffalo grass. not sure
if that is true or not but is a great story.
Blue skies, Steve Dortch
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----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
>
> Hey, I like the one about notching your leg enough to allow for more
> stick
> travel! Actually, a nice Rube Goldberg setup would be to have a
> handgrip
> lever on the stick that would engage a reduction gear, say 2:1, to
> double
> the cable travel per unit of stick travel when needed. Or instead of
>
> standard aileron cable pulleys, you could use some cam pulleys like
> the ones
> used on compound bows to ratchet up the cable action as you near the
> end of
> the pulley rotation. Try getting those puppies past your DAR or Tech
>
> Counselor-!
>
> And side note to Mr. Dortch in Austin- there are two other gents in
> the
> Austin area who I've threatened to hook up with sometime by possibly
> flying
> 41CC in to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome just outside of Seguin (
> http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html ). Maybe we can
> do that
> one of these Saturdays so you can see my airplane and maybe go for a
> ride.
> As an added bonus, one of the aircraft in the museum at Old Kingsbury
> is a
> Pietenpol Sky Scout...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Cant afford to quit your job? Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree
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> year.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswinds & aileron |
Oscar,
You must be an Engineer. :^)
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey, I like the one about notching your leg enough to allow for more stick
> travel! Actually, a nice Rube Goldberg setup would be to have a handgrip
> lever on the stick that would engage a reduction gear, say 2:1, to double
> the cable travel per unit of stick travel when needed. Or instead of
> standard aileron cable pulleys, you could use some cam pulleys like the
> ones used on compound bows to ratchet up the cable action as you near the
> end of the pulley rotation. Try getting those puppies past your DAR or
> Tech Counselor-!
>
> And side note to Mr. Dortch in Austin- there are two other gents in the
> Austin area who I've threatened to hook up with sometime by possibly
> flying 41CC in to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome just outside of Seguin (
> http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html ). Maybe we can do
> that one of these Saturdays so you can see my airplane and maybe go for a
> ride. As an added bonus, one of the aircraft in the museum at Old
> Kingsbury is a Pietenpol Sky Scout...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Canadian TX Piet |
Steve I tried to E-mail you using the address listed but it bounced.I'm only about
60 miles from there-thought you might tell me more.Raymond Hanover Skellytown
TX.
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Don,
I just received my 74 X 38 prop I had Ed Sterba build for me. Beautiful
prop. Hope to have my engine together within the month and will give it a
try. One reason I chose Sterba to build the prop is he will repitch it as
many times as you want for free. As soon as I fly behind the prop I'll post
a report.
Gene
N502kR>
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswinds & aileron |
On my minimax, I had an aluminum stick bent like one of those things used in
electrical conduit. Had a dogleg in it and came up over my leg and back
further. Due to shoulder pain with a straight stick.
dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
>
> Oscar,
> You must be an Engineer. :^)
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:45 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
>
>
> > <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Hey, I like the one about notching your leg enough to allow for more
stick
> > travel! Actually, a nice Rube Goldberg setup would be to have a
handgrip
> > lever on the stick that would engage a reduction gear, say 2:1, to
double
> > the cable travel per unit of stick travel when needed. Or instead of
> > standard aileron cable pulleys, you could use some cam pulleys like the
> > ones used on compound bows to ratchet up the cable action as you near
the
> > end of the pulley rotation. Try getting those puppies past your DAR or
> > Tech Counselor-!
> >
> > And side note to Mr. Dortch in Austin- there are two other gents in the
> > Austin area who I've threatened to hook up with sometime by possibly
> > flying 41CC in to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome just outside of Seguin (
> > http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html ). Maybe we can do
> > that one of these Saturdays so you can see my airplane and maybe go for
a
> > ride. As an added bonus, one of the aircraft in the museum at Old
> > Kingsbury is a Pietenpol Sky Scout...
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > San Antonio, TX
> > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Squishing the ends |
Anyone have a good method to ensure the squished ends of the spreader bars
(wood gear), rudder bar, and tube connecting the sticks are in the same
plane (or parallel or however you would describe it). I can squish them
just fine. I just cant seem to get both end in the same plane. Any
suggestions?
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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| Subject: | Re: Crosswinds & aileron |
As I recall the BD-10 jet had two control sticks. One for one for high
speed and a less sensitive one for low speed. Maybe you can add a side
stick with more throw.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:45 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Crosswinds & aileron
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey, I like the one about notching your leg enough to allow for more stick
> travel! Actually, a nice Rube Goldberg setup would be to have a handgrip
> lever on the stick that would engage a reduction gear, say 2:1, to double
> the cable travel per unit of stick travel when needed. Or instead of
> standard aileron cable pulleys, you could use some cam pulleys like the
> ones used on compound bows to ratchet up the cable action as you near the
> end of the pulley rotation. Try getting those puppies past your DAR or
> Tech Counselor-!
>
> And side note to Mr. Dortch in Austin- there are two other gents in the
> Austin area who I've threatened to hook up with sometime by possibly
> flying 41CC in to the Old Kingsbury Aerodrome just outside of Seguin (
> http://www.vintageaviation.org/aerodrome/index.html ). Maybe we can do
> that one of these Saturdays so you can see my airplane and maybe go for a
> ride. As an added bonus, one of the aircraft in the museum at Old
> Kingsbury is a Pietenpol Sky Scout...
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Can't afford to quit your job? - Earn your AS, BS, or MS degree online in
> 1 year.
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| Subject: | New question from and old brain |
Just a quick question for the group so that I can say "DOH - Why didn't
I see that?"
This refers to the page of the original Pietenpol family drawings
labeled Drawing No. 1: looking at the middle fuselage diagram labeled:
Inside Constructional View of Fuselage. Thus we are looking at a plan
view of the top of the fuselage. Located at the tail are three
dimensions: 7", 6" and 2". The 2" dimension appears to be a 1/8" gusset
plate set above the top rails. I believe this location is where the
horizontal stab would attach. If this is so, it would seem that a 1/8"
gusset plate would not be strong enough to hold the stab in place. Am I
missing something here?
The rest of the fuse is far enough along that I was able to sit in it
for the first time and make airplane noises. What a blast!
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
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| Subject: | Re: Squishing the ends |
I haven't had to do this yet but could you devise some kind of clamp that makes
it easy to square things up with respect to a side. If you used blocks to raise
the clamp up to the level of the vise, the clamp might help keep your reference
angle the same on both ends. I'm sure there are other ways to do this but
these problems with custom solutions are the things I love about this project.
Should be easy enough to make too.
--------
Glenn Thomas
N?????
http://www.flyingwood.com
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| Subject: | Re: New question from and old brain |
My take on it. The stab is not attached to the 1/8th-inch plate. I believe
the plans want you to screw the stab into the longeron. Check out the note
on the next page that says attach longeron with 1-3/4-inch No. 7 screws.
Also notice the spacing on the holes, it seems to match the width of the
fuselage. I don't plan on using screws.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Stinemetze" <tstinemetze@cox.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 6:50 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: New question from and old brain
> <tstinemetze@cox.net>
>
> Just a quick question for the group so that I can say "DOH - Why didn't
> I see that?"
> This refers to the page of the original Pietenpol family drawings
> labeled Drawing No. 1: looking at the middle fuselage diagram labeled:
> Inside Constructional View of Fuselage. Thus we are looking at a plan
> view of the top of the fuselage. Located at the tail are three
> dimensions: 7", 6" and 2". The 2" dimension appears to be a 1/8" gusset
> plate set above the top rails. I believe this location is where the
> horizontal stab would attach. If this is so, it would seem that a 1/8"
> gusset plate would not be strong enough to hold the stab in place. Am I
> missing something here?
>
> The rest of the fuse is far enough along that I was able to sit in it
> for the first time and make airplane noises. What a blast!
>
> Tom Stinemetze
> The Airplane Nut
>
> ____ | ____
> \8/
> / \
>
>
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Don, how about a picture?
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
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