---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/07/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:41 AM - Re: Montana School Piet (Tim Willis) 2. 10:24 AM - Re: Alternative fabric paint (shad bell) 3. 10:46 AM - Re: Alternative fabric paint (Rick Holland) 4. 02:34 PM - latex paint (TGSTONE236@aol.com) 5. 06:24 PM - Re: latex paint (Jim Markle) 6. 06:28 PM - Re: Montana School Piet (Dick Navratil) 7. 07:35 PM - Re: Squishing the Ends (Tom Stinemetze) 8. 08:05 PM - Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (Tom Stinemetze) 9. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (DJ Vegh) 10. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (Rick Holland) 11. 11:36 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (DJ Vegh) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:07 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet Dick, I mailed a check yesterday, but you may not get it in time. It takes our mail a while to get anywhere-- first it goes by mule to Waco, then heads farther north. Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Dick Navratil >Sent: Apr 6, 2007 5:26 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet > >Thanks to all that have sent in a donation for the Montana kids. If anybody else has been thinking about it, there is still time to get it in before I send off the packet to their teacher, next Thur the 12 th. I will be sending along all of the notes guys have sent along. >As a reminder >Check to EAA Chapter 57 >Dick Navratil >1415 Skiles Ln. >Arden Hills, Mn. 55112 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:40 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Alternative fabric paint I say use the heck out of it, Latex will probably last as long as poly woly big bucks. It will at least last as long as you will want it to. I would say recovering in 20-25 years is probably a smart thing to do, even if for none other than a very good inspection of the structure. For you folks who don't like the toxicity of MEK based poly tack, brush and what not, dad used a water based fabric cement called Ceco-Bond. You just mix with water and brush on. to seal the fabric you dilute it with more water and brush it over the whole surface. It is an approved product on some older airplanes like cubs and champs via STC. Don't get me wrong poly fiber is a GREAT system, it will work great. But if your building for GO and not SHOW and still want a good looking final product use the latex, and save that money for gas and hanger rent. Heck, I would bet Bernnie did not use top dollar aircraft dope on his. Probably used old barn paint or whatever he had. (maybe thats why they were red?) Just my 2 cents Shad --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:03 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Alternative fabric paint Totally agree, the latex on my house has been exposed (unhangered) to direct Colorado sunlight at 6500 ft. for 11 years and it looks no different than the day we moved in (and it was not the higher quality latex either). If I fly my Piet 100 hours a year and hanger it the rest of the time it would take 482 years to get the same direct sunlight exposure time, and I don't plan on needing to repaint anytime soon. Rick On 4/7/07, shad bell wrote: > > > I say use the heck out of it, Latex will probably last as long as poly > woly big bucks. It will at least last as long as you will want it to. I > would say recovering in 20-25 years is probably a smart thing to do, even if > for none other than a very good inspection of the structure. > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:34:31 PM PST US From: TGSTONE236@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint I have had good results using latex on wooden boats. Here is an article you might find interesting _www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html_ (http://www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html) Ted Stone building a corvair powered Piet ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:24 PM PST US From: "Jim Markle" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint I had to add .com to the www.simplicity link below (to make it www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html) but it was well worth it! VERY interesting article! Thanks Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: TGSTONE236@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint I have had good results using latex on wooden boats. Here is an article you might find interesting www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html Ted Stone building a corvair powered Piet ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:49 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet Tim Thanks for letting me know. I'll be watching for it. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Willis" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet > > > Dick, > > I mailed a check yesterday, but you may not get it in time. It takes our > mail a while to get anywhere-- first it goes by mule to Waco, then heads > farther north. > > Tim in central TX > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Dick Navratil >>Sent: Apr 6, 2007 5:26 PM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet >> >>Thanks to all that have sent in a donation for the Montana kids. If >>anybody else has been thinking about it, there is still time to get it in >>before I send off the packet to their teacher, next Thur the 12 th. I >>will be sending along all of the notes guys have sent along. >>As a reminder >>Check to EAA Chapter 57 >>Dick Navratil >>1415 Skiles Ln. >>Arden Hills, Mn. 55112 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:42 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Squishing the Ends AMEN to that. Ken really knows what he is doing (and I don't - yet.) Ken has also come up with a bellcrank design that gets the elevator cable geometry right. i.e. you don't need a friction control device on top of the horizontal stab to keep the cables from rubbing a hole in the covering. It may not be the way BHP did it but I bet he would have used it had he seen it. < My solution was easy -- I purchased those components from Ken Perkins! : ) > Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:25 PM PST US From: "Tom Stinemetze" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one Listers: I am getting very close to having a panel to start designing my instrument layout. Consequently I need to find the sizes and spacing requirements for the final layout. I am having a little trouble trying to figure out where to find a tachometer that looks right for a Pietenpol but still operates electrically. I remember seeing one on DJ's website that has a max RPM of 3500 and receives it's signals from a tooth counter on the flywheel. (I'm also planning to use a Corvair engine.) The ones William Wynne recommends are digital which I suspect would get me laughed off the list. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:30 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one Messagemy analog tach was a Datcon. Datcon also makes the tooth counter which worked quite well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Stinemetze To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one Listers: I am getting very close to having a panel to start designing my instrument layout. Consequently I need to find the sizes and spacing requirements for the final layout. I am having a little trouble trying to figure out where to find a tachometer that looks right for a Pietenpol but still operates electrically. I remember seeing one on DJ's website that has a max RPM of 3500 and receives it's signals from a tooth counter on the flywheel. (I'm also planning to use a Corvair engine.) The ones William Wynne recommends are digital which I suspect would get me laughed off the list. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:02 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one DJ - I thought you installed an EMS, why did you need a separate tach? Rick On 4/7/07, DJ Vegh wrote: > > my analog tach was a Datcon. Datcon also makes the tooth counter which > worked quite well. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Stinemetze > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:04 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one > > Listers: > > I am getting very close to having a panel to start designing my instrument > layout. Consequently I need to find the sizes and spacing requirements for > the final layout. I am having a little trouble trying to figure out where > to find a tachometer that looks right for a Pietenpol but still operates > electrically. I remember seeing one on DJ's website that has a max RPM of > 3500 and receives it's signals from a tooth counter on the flywheel. (I'm > also planning to use a Corvair engine.) The ones William Wynne recommends > are digital which I suspect would get me laughed off the list. Any > recommendations would be greatly appreciated. > > Tom Stinemetze > The Airplane Nut > > ____ | ____ > \8/ > / \ > > -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:22 PM PST US From: "DJ Vegh" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one I did install an EMS. but I wanted an analog tach in the panel. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one DJ - I thought you installed an EMS, why did you need a separate tach? Rick On 4/7/07, DJ Vegh wrote: my analog tach was a Datcon. Datcon also makes the tooth counter which worked quite well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Stinemetze To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one Listers: I am getting very close to having a panel to start designing my instrument layout. Consequently I need to find the sizes and spacing requirements for the final layout. I am having a little trouble trying to figure out where to find a tachometer that looks right for a Pietenpol but still operates electrically. I remember seeing one on DJ's website that has a max RPM of 3500 and receives it's signals from a tooth counter on the flywheel. (I'm also planning to use a Corvair engine.) The ones William Wynne recommends are digital which I suspect would get me laughed off the list. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ -- Rick Holland "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.