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     1. 05:40 AM - Re: Montana School Piet (GlennThomas@flyingwood.com)
     2. 07:33 AM - Re: latex paint (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     3. 07:43 AM - door designs (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     4. 07:45 AM - Elect. tach (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
     5. 07:52 AM - Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (Tim Verthein)
     6. 08:18 AM - Travel to So Cal (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     7. 08:47 AM - Cockpit door (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
     8. 09:07 AM - Re: door designs ()
     9. 09:21 AM - Re: door designs (DOUGLAS BLACKBURN)
    10. 09:36 AM - Re: door designs ()
    11. 09:55 AM - Tachometer (TBYH@aol.com)
    12. 12:02 PM - Rib Drawing errors? (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
    13. 12:35 PM - Re: latex paint (Rick Holland)
    14. 12:48 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (Rick Holland)
    15. 01:14 PM - Clarification: Rib measurement (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
    16. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (shad bell)
    17. 01:24 PM - Re: Rib Drawing errors? (Catdesigns)
    18. 01:56 PM - Re: Rib Drawing errors? (Tim Willis)
    19. 02:05 PM - Re: Rib Drawing errors? (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
    20. 02:13 PM - Fw: Re: Re: Tachometer - where do you find one (shad bell)
    21. 04:38 PM - Re: Clarification: Rib measurement (walt evans)
    22. 04:41 PM - Re: Just a few quick rib questions (walt evans)
    23. 05:03 PM - Re: Just a few quick rib questions (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
    24. 06:20 PM - Re: Rib Drawing errors? (Don Emch)
    25. 07:32 PM - Re: Clarification: Rib measurement (Rick Holland)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Montana School Piet | 
      
      
      Dick,
      I'm heading out and will drop mine in the mail.  Don't know if it'
      Glenn W. Thomas
      Storrs, CT
      http://www.flyingwood.com
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
      Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:28 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet
      
      
      > <horzpool@goldengate.net>
      >
      > Tim
      > Thanks for letting me know.  I'll be watching for it.
      > Dick
      > ----- Original Message ----- 
      > From: "Tim Willis" <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
      > To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
      > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:40 AM
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet
      >
      >
      >> <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
      >>
      >> Dick,
      >>
      >> I mailed a check yesterday, but you may not get it in time.  It takes our 
      >> mail a while to get anywhere-- first it goes by mule to Waco, then heads 
      >> farther north.
      >>
      >> Tim in central TX
      >>
      >> -----Original Message-----
      >>>From: Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net>
      >>>Sent: Apr 6, 2007 5:26 PM
      >>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Montana School Piet
      >>>
      >>>Thanks to all that have sent in a donation for the Montana kids.  If 
      >>>anybody else has been thinking about it, there is still time to get it in 
      >>>before I send off the packet to their teacher, next Thur the 12 th.  I 
      >>>will be sending along all of the notes guys have sent along.
      >>>As a reminder
      >>>Check to EAA Chapter 57
      >>>Dick Navratil
      >>>1415 Skiles Ln.
      >>>Arden Hills, Mn. 55112
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      > 
      
      
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      Jim,
      
      Good article, not only does it makes good sense but sounds like a less 
      expensive alternative to conventional treatments.
      
      John
      
      
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      I know that although its not part of the design and for purity sake probably 
      not a proper modification which undoubtedly will bring tears to the eyes of 
      the Piet purist, however. I know of no contortionist and therefor have to 
      consider the possibility of passenger access and egress!
      
      Does anyone have a good structural design or drawing they would be willing to 
      share for a passenger door? I would prefer a tried and true design that is 
      designed to bolster the airframe rather than one that detracts from its 
      structural integrity, so good engineering is key.
      
      I would appreciate hearing your thoughts and seeing any designs you the group 
      may have. I figure that at the build stage I am at now planning and 
      installing a door as part of the design is a lot easier and makes more sense than
      
      trying to cut one in after the fact.
      
      Thanks
      
      John
      
      
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      Tim. I bought an elect. tach. from Wicks. It has a small generator that
      requires a standard tach. mount thing. It looks more modern than I would
      like, but life is full of compromise. Some of these tachs have a sensor
      that you tie to a spark plug wire. Hows that for simplicity and not
      having worry about routing a heavy drive cable? Also eliminates the
      possibility (and expense) of up to 2 90 degree corner turner things.
      Leon S. Shivering in Ks.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Tachometer - where do you find one | 
      
      
      It's a Corvar, right? Why not just visit your local auto parts shop and
      pick out a tach? Or snoop around online and track down a spiffy vintage
      reproduction tach? There are tons of them out there in a huge variety
      of sizes and styles.  Connects to power, ground and coil. At last,
      that's how I connect them in my Corvairs...cars that is.
      
      tim in Bovey
      
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| Subject:  | Travel to So Cal | 
      
      It looks like Ill be in the greater LA area Ontario, Fontana and LA propper 
      around the 16th of April or week of the 16th. I am again looking for builders 
      and piets to visit. Anyone interested in getting together for show and tell or
      
      just a few beers!
      
      Please advise
      
      Contact off the list _Amsafetyc@aol.com_ (mailto:Amsafetyc@aol.com) 
      
      
      Thanks
      
      John
      
      
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      I put the Price door in my front cockpit. It requires a 1''X5''
      reinforcement plank that you could not bend enough for the taper that
      goes on threw the rear cockpit and continues to the tail post. (the
      taper, not the plank). The door is kind of a front cockpit thing only.
      Put on a step and learn to be a contortionest. Several years ago when
      Chuck and Doug Bryant had a Piet flyin at Benton Ks (Wichita) a man flew
      in with a Piet that had a right front door and a left door on the rear
      cockpit. It also had a Toyota engine. He only stayed a short time and
      left before I got to look at it. A year or so later the engine stopped
      on take off and he made a hard landing that destroyed the plane and put
      him in hospital for a long time. Leon S.
      
      
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      There should be something on this in the archives.I kept the letter for
      a while then deleted it.But there was a guy selling plans earlier for
      just such a thing.
      
      
      Do not archive
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
      
      I know that although its not part of the design and for purity sake
      probably not a proper modification which undoubtedly will bring tears to
      the eyes of the Piet purist, however. I know of no contortionist and
      therefor have to consider the possibility of passenger access and
      egress!
      
      
      Does anyone have a good structural design or drawing they would be
      willing to share for a passenger door? I would prefer a tried and true
      design that is designed to bolster the airframe rather than one that
      detracts from its structural integrity, so good engineering is key.
      
      
      I would appreciate hearing your thoughts and seeing any designs you the
      group may have. I figure that at the build stage I am at now planning
      and installing a door as part of the design is a lot easier and makes
      more sense than trying to cut one in after the fact.
      
      
      Thanks
      
      
      John
      
      
      ________________________________
      
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      <http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF00020000000503> . 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: door designs | 
      
      check out 
      http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/index.html<http://www.geocities.com
      /keriannprice/index.html>
      http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html<http:/
      /www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html> , She 
      designed a door and a few other things, all of which she installed on 
      her own Piet. 
      
      Doug B.
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: harvey.rule@bell.ca<mailto:harvey.rule@bell.ca> 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com> 
        Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:07 AM
        Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
      
        There should be something on this in the archives.I kept the letter 
      for a while then deleted it.But there was a guy selling plans earlier 
      for just such a thing.
      
         
      
        Do not archive
      
         
      
      
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      -----
      
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
         
      
        I know that although its not part of the design and for purity sake 
      probably not a proper modification which undoubtedly will bring tears to 
      the eyes of the Piet purist, however. I know of no contortionist and 
      therefor have to consider the possibility of passenger access and 
      egress!
      
         
      
        Does anyone have a good structural design or drawing they would be 
      willing to share for a passenger door? I would prefer a tried and true 
      design that is designed to bolster the airframe rather than one that 
      detracts from its structural integrity, so good engineering is key.
      
         
      
        I would appreciate hearing your thoughts and seeing any designs you 
      the group may have. I figure that at the build stage I am at now 
      planning and installing a door as part of the design is a lot easier and 
      makes more sense than trying to cut one in after the fact.
      
         
      
        Thanks
      
         
      
        John
      
      
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      Sorry about referring to you as a guy Kerian,force of habit I guess.
      
      
      Do not archive 
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DOUGLAS
      BLACKBURN
      Sent: April 8, 2007 12:21 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
      
      check out 
      
      http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/index.html
      
      http://www.geocities.com/keriannprice/Pietenpol_Plan_Packages.html , She
      designed a door and a few other things, all of which she installed on
      her own Piet. 
      
      
      Doug B.
      
      	----- Original Message ----- 
      
      	From: harvey.rule@bell.ca 
      
      	To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
      
      	Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 9:07 AM
      
      	Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
      	 
      
      	There should be something on this in the archives.I kept the
      letter for a while then deleted it.But there was a guy selling plans
      earlier for just such a thing.
      
      	 
      
      	Do not archive
      
      	 
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      
      	Subject: Pietenpol-List: door designs
      
      	 
      
      	I know that although its not part of the design and for purity
      sake probably not a proper modification which undoubtedly will bring
      tears to the eyes of the Piet purist, however. I know of no
      contortionist and therefor have to consider the possibility of passenger
      access and egress!
      
      	 
      
      	Does anyone have a good structural design or drawing they would
      be willing to share for a passenger door? I would prefer a tried and
      true design that is designed to bolster the airframe rather than one
      that detracts from its structural integrity, so good engineering is key.
      
      	 
      
      	I would appreciate hearing your thoughts and seeing any designs
      you the group may have. I figure that at the build stage I am at now
      planning and installing a door as part of the design is a lot easier and
      makes more sense than trying to cut one in after the fact.
      
      	 
      
      	Thanks
      
      	 
      
      	John
      
      
      ________________________________
      
      
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      I'm not a machinist and so am wondering what kind of electrical tach I can 
      use rather than doing maching work on my Model A engine to accept a mechanical
      
      drive drive tach? Is there a tach available that will run off the magneto?
      
      Fred B. 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Rib Drawing errors? | 
      
               Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are a few areas
      that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I may be missing.
      Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been stuck on this for some
      time and need the help moving forward.  I have checked and rechecked several
      times already. Any insight would be appreciated.
         
        Thank you,
         
        Ryan M.
      
      
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      That's an understatement, based on the PolyFiber manual materials list to
      cover a J3 Cub (which would require maybe 10% more stuff than that for a
      Piet) and based on 2005 prices the cost comes to:
      
      Polyfiber Medium Fabric and Tape/Rings - $889
      Paint (using polytone, the 'cheaper' stuff)  - $2473
      
      Total - $3362
      (and 2007 prices are higher than this, e.g. PolyTak was $68 when I last
      added this up and its $86.80 now on the ACS wesite)
      
      versus -
      
      ACS homebuilders special 1.8 oz fabric & polyfiber tape - $600
      1 gal. polytak   - $87
      3 gal. ext. latex gloss - $100
      
      Total (very approximate)  - $787
      
      Rick
      
      
      On 4/8/07, AMsafetyC@aol.com <AMsafetyC@aol.com> wrote:
      >
      >  Jim,
      >
      > Good article, not only does it makes good sense but sounds like a less
      > expensive alternative to conventional treatments.
      >
      > John
      >
      >
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      >
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      -- 
      Rick Holland
      
      "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers, that smell bad"
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Tachometer - where do you find one | 
      
      WW recommends not wiring a tach to the coil as a short can kill the
      ignition. However Mark Langford hooks up his Grand Rapids this way and adds
      resistors to prevent a short (correct me if I am wrong guys, see Mark's
      website). Also only one of the two coils is connected so it would only
      shutdown one of the coils. WW uses a sensor that reads the teeth on the
      starter ring gear instead. Still debating which way I will go, really like
      the Grand Rapids EMS, does anyone know if it's tach input can be wired to a
      ring gear tooth sensor?
      
      Rick
      
      On 4/8/07, Tim Verthein <minoxphotographer@yahoo.com> wrote:
      >
      > minoxphotographer@yahoo.com>
      >
      > It's a Corvar, right? Why not just visit your local auto parts shop and
      > pick out a tach? Or snoop around online and track down a spiffy vintage
      > reproduction tach? There are tons of them out there in a huge variety
      > of sizes and styles.  Connects to power, ground and coil. At last,
      > that's how I connect them in my Corvairs...cars that is.
      >
      > tim in Bovey
      >
      > ==
      > You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
      > ==
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Clarification: Rib measurement | 
      
            I have been through the archives and I only find slight reference to my problem.
      I have an "out of contour" (called a "kink" in the archive) condition
      in the upper of my airfoil, one forward and one aft. Please tell me you have seen
      this before. 
         
        Thank you again,
      
        Ryan
      
      Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
                   Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are a few
      areas that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I may be missing.
      Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been stuck on this for
      some time and need the help moving forward.  I have checked and rechecked several
      times already. Any insight would be appreciated.
         
        Thank you,
         
        Ryan M.
          
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| Subject:  | Re: Tachometer - where do you find one | 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rib Drawing errors? | 
      
      Ryan, 
      
      As I recall, on the upper surface there are a few of the dimensions that 
      just don't fit on the curve.   The best way to deal with this is to take 
      a long piece of wood, I used a cap strip, and use it to form a curve by 
      holding on to both ends.  Try to get it to line up with as many of the 
      points as possible.  Don't stress over missed points as this is one of 
      the times where close is good enough. This airfoil is not supper 
      critical to errors like a laminar flow airfoil. Remember, the finished 
      wing will have some fabric sagging between the ribs thus changing the 
      airfoil thickness.  This is totally natural and occurs on many fabric 
      covered airplanes and is part of the design of the wing.  There are no 
      supplemental plans or correction sheets on this.
      
      Chris Tracy
      Sacramento, Ca
      Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ryan Michalkiewicz 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:02 AM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Drawing errors?
      
      
                 Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are 
      a few areas that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I 
      may be missing. Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been 
      stuck on this for some time and need the help moving forward.  I have 
      checked and rechecked several times already. Any insight would be 
      appreciated.
      
        Thank you,
      
        Ryan M.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Rib Drawing errors? | 
      
      
      You are not going nuts, except from frustration.  Everyone has this problem.  There
      is no official revision sheet, and no unofficial one, either, for instance,
      showing which parts need to be made longer or bolt-holes moved to allow better
      alignment or assembly. 
      
      I have seen at least one corrected plot on a "Glider & Flying" reprint, but cannot
      lay my hands on it right now.  Perhaps someone else can point out the one
      or two errors in the upper surface of the airfoil.  I believe the full scale drawing
      corrects this/these.
      
      Tim in central TX
      
      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com>
      >Sent: Apr 8, 2007 1:02 PM
      >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Drawing errors?
      >
      >         Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are a few areas
      that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I may be missing.
      Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been stuck on this for some
      time and need the help moving forward.  I have checked and rechecked several
      times already. Any insight would be appreciated.
      >   
      >  Thank you,
      >   
      >  Ryan M.
      >
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               Thank you for the quick response. I figured I could do something like
      that. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't something I did.
         
        -Ryan 
      
      Catdesigns <catdesigns@comcast.net> wrote:
                Ryan, 
         
        As I recall, on the upper surface there are a few of the dimensions that just
      don't fit on the curve.   The best way to deal with this is to take a long piece
      of wood, I used a cap strip, and use it to form a curve by holding on to both
      ends.  Try to get it to line up with as many of the points as possible.  Don't
      stress over missed points as this is one of the times where close is good
      enough. This airfoil is not supper critical to errors like a laminar flow airfoil.
      Remember, the finished wing will have some fabric sagging between the ribs
      thus changing the airfoil thickness.  This is totally natural and occurs on
      many fabric covered airplanes and is part of the design of the wing.  There are
      no supplemental plans or correction sheets on this.
         
        Chris Tracy
      Sacramento, Ca
      Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
         
         
          ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ryan Michalkiewicz 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 11:02 AM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Drawing errors?
      
      
                 Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are a few
      areas that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I may be missing.
      Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been stuck on this for some
      time and need the help moving forward.  I have checked and rechecked several
      times already. Any insight would be appreciated.
         
        Thank you,
         
        Ryan M.
          
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| Subject:  | Re: Clarification: Rib measurement | 
      
      When I recieved my plans , I got a full sized rib print. This is the one 
      that I put on the rib board, and made the ribs to.
      My Piet flies great with this wing.
      Didn't you guys get this??
      And as far as the metal fittings,,,just make them 1/4" longer , to stick 
      out of the layers of fabric, so you can hook a fitting to it.
      Walt Evans
      NX140DL
      "No one ever learned anything by talking"
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ryan Michalkiewicz 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:13 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Clarification: Rib measurement
      
      
              I have been through the archives and I only find slight 
      reference to my problem. I have an "out of contour" (called a "kink" in 
      the archive) condition in the upper of my airfoil, one forward and one 
      aft. Please tell me you have seen this before. 
      
        Thank you again,
      
        Ryan
      
        Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com> wrote: 
                   Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there 
      are a few areas that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet 
      that I may be missing. Has anyone else had these same problems? I have 
      been stuck on this for some time and need the help moving forward.  I 
      have checked and rechecked several times already. Any insight would be 
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| Subject:  | Re: Just a few quick rib questions | 
      
      >>Hello everyone;
      
               Just a few quick rib questions. First, let me say I took the 
      advice of the list and threw out my full size rib print <<
      Why would you do that??
      Walt Evans
      NX140DL
      "No one ever learned anything by talking"
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ryan Michalkiewicz 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:01 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
      
      
        Hello everyone;
      
                 Just a few quick rib questions. First, let me say I took the 
      advice of the list and threw out my full size rib print and am manually 
      laying out my jig, thank you. I  have not recived my full plans yet and 
      I am working out of my builders manual, page 30. I have started with the 
      "chord line" as illustrated, and plotted out the bottom side of the rib. 
      I am confused whether the top mesurements are from the top of the rib to 
      the chord line, or only to the bottom of the rib?
               Second, what are the first and last mesurements on the 
      underside of the rib? There are arrows only,  with no mesurements.
               Third, what is the lower mesurement opposite "4 1/2", 18" from 
      the rear. it is between 7/32"and 1/16"
      
        Thank you,
      
        Ryan
      
      
        Ryan Michalkiewicz
        Skybolt Project
      
      
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               I didn't really throw it out, I still take a look at it every so often
      to confuse myself. Seriously though, It contains details that the drawing doesn't
      show. There is an 1/8" difference in the amount of upward curve between the
      drawing and the plans. From what I've read here in the archives, there is not
      a noticeable difference in the way they fly. 
         
      
      walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
                  >>Hello everyone;
         
                 Just a few quick rib questions. First, let me say I took the advice
      of the list and threw out my full size rib print <<
        Why would you do that??
      
        Walt Evans
      NX140DL
      "No one ever learned anything by talking"
          ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Ryan Michalkiewicz 
        To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 6:01 PM
        Subject: Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
      
      
        Hello everyone;
         
                 Just a few quick rib questions. First, let me say I took the advice
      of the list and threw out my full size rib print and am manually laying out my
      jig, thank you. I  have not recived my full plans yet and I am working out of
      my builders manual, page 30. I have started with the "chord line" as illustrated,
      and plotted out the bottom side of the rib. I am confused whether the top
      mesurements are from the top of the rib to the chord line, or only to the bottom
      of the rib?
               Second, what are the first and last mesurements on the underside of the
      rib? There are arrows only,  with no mesurements.
               Third, what is the lower mesurement opposite "4 1/2", 18" from the rear.
      it is between 7/32"and 1/16"
         
        Thank you,
         
        Ryan
      
      
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      Skybolt Project     
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| Subject:  | Re: Rib Drawing errors? | 
      
      
      I remember after I covered and stitched my wing there were slight flat spots on
      the ribs from the covering pulling them in.  I thought "oh no!", but it flies
      and probably doesn't know the difference!  Like Chris said this is an area that
      you want to be as close as you can, and that's good enough.
      Don Emch
      NX899DE
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=105779#105779
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Clarification: Rib measurement | 
      
      Sorry to answer your question with another question but have you read the
      archive threads and BPA newsletter article concerning the Riblett 612
      airfoil for the Pietenpol? If I was were you are in the building process I
      would order the excellent full size 612 airfoil plans from Roman ($10) or
      get the coordinates from Bill Rewey for a couple bucks. Just an interesting
      alternative.
      
      Rick
      
      On 4/8/07, walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
      >
      >  When I recieved my plans , I got a full sized rib print. This is the one
      > that I put on the rib board, and made the ribs to.
      > My Piet flies great with this wing.
      > Didn't you guys get this??
      > And as far as the metal fittings,,,just make them 1/4" longer , to stick
      > out of the layers of fabric, so you can hook a fitting to it.
      > Walt Evans
      > NX140DL
      > "No one ever learned anything by talking"
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > *From:* Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com>
      > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > *Sent:* Sunday, April 08, 2007 4:13 PM
      > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Clarification: Rib measurement
      >
      >       I have been through the archives and I only find slight reference to
      > my problem. I have an "out of contour" (called a "kink" in the archive)
      > condition in the upper of my airfoil, one forward and one aft. Please tell
      > me you have seen this before.
      >
      > Thank you again,
      > Ryan
      >
      > *Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com>* wrote:
      >
      >          Group,  I am plotting out my jig from the plans and there are a
      > few areas that just can't be correct. Is there a revision sheet that I may
      > be missing. Has anyone else had these same problems? I have been stuck on
      > this for some time and need the help moving forward.  I have checked and
      > rechecked several times already. Any insight would be
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