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1. 03:18 AM - Re: wing covering (Grover Summers)
2. 07:30 AM - No piets in so cal (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
3. 09:45 AM - Tachometer - where do you find one (Oscar Zuniga)
4. 09:59 AM - Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun (Phillips, Jack)
5. 11:22 AM - Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun (Steve Eldredge)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: No piets in so cal (walt evans)
7. 12:25 PM - 60 miles SW of LA.....EAA Pietenpol Project (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
8. 12:41 PM - Re: wing covering (Graham Hansen)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun (Dick Navratil)
10. 01:12 PM - Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun (Dick Navratil)
11. 01:57 PM - Re: wing covering (walt evans)
12. 02:30 PM - Latex paint class (shad bell)
13. 06:04 PM - Re: wing covering (Dick Navratil)
14. 06:18 PM - Re: Latex paint class-- aluminum PolySpray no oxide (Tim Willis)
15. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Photos (Dick Navratil)
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| Subject: | Re: wing covering |
Try a thin felt-like material.
Grover
Thomas Bernie <tsbernie@earthlink.net> wrote:
Guys,
The screws I used to secure my aluminum leading edge look kind of nasty
underneath the fabric. Any suggestions (other than covering them with
anti-chafe tape prior to covering)? How about pulling them out and
covering the line with a tape? Anything.
Thanks,
Tom Bernie
Gloucester Mass
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| Subject: | No piets in so cal |
There are no piets and no builders in the Southern California, LA area?
Although I find that hard to believe that such a popular design and build that
no
one has responded to my visit request, or no one is interested in a visit.
Either way, with no response or willingness to host, I guess its just gonna be
Jim Markle and I talking piets over beer in some obscure watering hole Monday
night.
Sorry no one responded , would have loved learning and sharing build info
with our Southern California Brethren.
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| Subject: | Tachometer - where do you find one |
I have a Westach tach for the 1835 VW on my "Flying Squirrel" that runs off
the magento P-lead (single mag on the VW). Mine includes an hour meter and
also has range markings on it. A picture is at
http://www.flysquirrel.net/panel/pnl02.JPG . While I realize that this
particular tach won't work on a Corvair with points ignition, the point I'd
like to get across is that Westach made my tach for me as a "special" but at
no additional cost over what Aircraft Spruce wanted for a similar unit. I
gave them the RPM range that I wanted, where I wanted the green/yellow/red
markings and they did that for me.
You can tell Westach what you want, what it runs off of, and they will make
you a tach to your specs. There are several different dial sizes to pick
from, too. Website is at http://www.westach.com
My tach does have a fuse in it in the line from the magneto P-lead but I
believe it's there to protect the tach from spikes from the magneto, not to
protect the magneto from problems in the tach. The P-lead is essentially a
ground wire to kill the magneto; not sure about the exact function of the
fuse though.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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| Subject: | Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun |
Hi Gardiner,
Unfortunately, my plans at this point are to arrive at SNF on Monday
morning (possibly Tuesday morning, depending on wx) and then depart on
Thursday morning. It's possible I might depart on Friday but it would
be pretty early Friday morning, as I've got a 10 hour trip ahead of me
to get it back to North Carolina. Any chance you can get there by
Wednesday?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner
Mason
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
Jack, we haven't met yet, but I am building a piet in Lagrange, Ga. I
will be camping out under my cessna 140 in the vintage campground. I
have a silver grey 140 with a rubber chicken hanging on the prop.
N3533V. Stop by and lets talk. Gardiner Mason. I plan to be there Friday
or Saturday.
----- Original Message -----
From: Phillips, Jack <mailto:Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:36 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
I'll see you there, Dick. I plan to fly from Raleigh to St.
Augustine on Sunday, and then fly into Lakeland on Monday morning. I'll
look for you in the woodworking tent.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:53 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
I will hopefully arrive at SNF Sat night. I hope to find a spot
in the same place. For anyone else coming to SNF, we are camping along
the fence line at the end of RWY 9. If anyone else is coming, we can
try to save space.
Also, the Matronics server didn't allow the pics to post from
Mont. I will try that another way.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd <mailto:skipgadd@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
Hi Dick,
I sent a check for the kids in Montana, mailed
yesterday.
We plan to arrive Sun & Fun Sunday before dark. Plan to
camp in the same area, cow pasture up against the fence.
Have you talked to Aircraft Spruce about wood and glue?
See you there,
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
<mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 4/10/2007 4:13:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids
Hey all
I talked with Patrick Kenney last night. He is
the teacher that is restoring the Piet with the Montana kids. I called
him to find where to send the donations and to let him know what we are
doing. I have enclosed his e mail to me after our discussion. He is
doing a great thing and if anyone else would like to get in, I will be
mailing him some Piet info when I get back from Sun n Fun. I'm sure a
second suprise would greatly appreciated.
After things are settled, I will post a total of
$ raised but no donor list. I figure this is about his kids.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenney285@aol.com
To: horzpool@goldengate.net
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: piet kids
Dick,
What a great surprise-thank you! Sabrina
and I were covering tonight and she was very excited to hear of your
donation. We'll be splitting up the money based on their hours-Sabrina
just went over three hundred tonight. I did not mention it in the
article but three of our kids are very much at risk with extremely
limited resources. In fact, we usually feed them at the hangar when
they come up and I drive them home due to gas prices. Accordingly, your
money will be used to buy savings Bonds for the kids. Enclosed are
several pictures: Last class project 1896 Chanute, Comstock in 1932,
Bozeman Piet. Patrick
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| Subject: | Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun |
Hi Dick,
Do you know how many kids/adults are involved? I'd like to donate a few
piet hats to the cause.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
I will hopefully arrive at SNF Sat night. I hope to find a spot in the
same place. For anyone else coming to SNF, we are camping along the
fence line at the end of RWY 9. If anyone else is coming, we can try to
save space.
Also, the Matronics server didn't allow the pics to post from Mont. I
will try that another way.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd <mailto:skipgadd@earthlink.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
Hi Dick,
I sent a check for the kids in Montana, mailed yesterday.
We plan to arrive Sun & Fun Sunday before dark. Plan to camp in
the same area, cow pasture up against the fence.
Have you talked to Aircraft Spruce about wood and glue?
See you there,
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil <mailto:horzpool@goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 4/10/2007 4:13:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids
Hey all
I talked with Patrick Kenney last night. He is the
teacher that is restoring the Piet with the Montana kids. I called him
to find where to send the donations and to let him know what we are
doing. I have enclosed his e mail to me after our discussion. He is
doing a great thing and if anyone else would like to get in, I will be
mailing him some Piet info when I get back from Sun n Fun. I'm sure a
second suprise would greatly appreciated.
After things are settled, I will post a total of $
raised but no donor list. I figure this is about his kids.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenney285@aol.com
To: horzpool@goldengate.net
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: piet kids
Dick,
What a great surprise-thank you! Sabrina and I were
covering tonight and she was very excited to hear of your donation.
We'll be splitting up the money based on their hours-Sabrina just went
over three hundred tonight. I did not mention it in the article but
three of our kids are very much at risk with extremely limited
resources. In fact, we usually feed them at the hangar when they come
up and I drive them home due to gas prices. Accordingly, your money
will be used to buy savings Bonds for the kids. Enclosed are several
pictures: Last class project 1896 Chanute, Comstock in 1932, Bozeman
Piet. Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: No piets in so cal |
John,
Go here http://www.frappr.com/pietenpol
There are a few in So Cal.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: No piets in so cal
There are no piets and no builders in the Southern California, LA
area? Although I find that hard to believe that such a popular design
and build that no one has responded to my visit request, or no one is
interested in a visit. Either way, with no response or willingness to
host, I guess its just gonna be Jim Markle and I talking piets over beer
in some obscure watering hole Monday night.
Sorry no one responded , would have loved learning and sharing build
info with our Southern California Brethren.
John
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| Subject: | 60 miles SW of LA.....EAA Pietenpol Project |
This project was featured in the Feb. or March issue of Sport Aviation.
A really good group.
http://www.eaa1279.org/
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: wing covering |
Tom,
Possibly you could carefully cut away the fabric close to the screw heads.
Then remove the screws, dimple the aluminum sheet around the holes, and
install countersunk screws. A "dollar" fabric patch over each screw head
should finish the job, and it should come out reasonsbly smooth.
Good luck!
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun |
Hi Steve
There is the teacher, Patrick Kenney and six girls, his main volunteers.
I'm sure there there are a few others I havent heard about, but that is
the core group. I'm sure the hats will be most appreciated. I can send
them with the second mailing after Sun n Fun. I will be hitting up some
people for donations at SNF who have some $ and not on the list.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Eldredge
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
Hi Dick,
Do you know how many kids/adults are involved? I'd like to donate a
few piet hats to the cause.
Steve E.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:53 PM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
I will hopefully arrive at SNF Sat night. I hope to find a spot in
the same place. For anyone else coming to SNF, we are camping along the
fence line at the end of RWY 9. If anyone else is coming, we can try to
save space.
Also, the Matronics server didn't allow the pics to post from Mont. I
will try that another way.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun
Hi Dick,
I sent a check for the kids in Montana, mailed yesterday.
We plan to arrive Sun & Fun Sunday before dark. Plan to camp in the
same area, cow pasture up against the fence.
Have you talked to Aircraft Spruce about wood and glue?
See you there,
Skip
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick Navratil
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: 4/10/2007 4:13:24 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: piet kids
Hey all
I talked with Patrick Kenney last night. He is the teacher that
is restoring the Piet with the Montana kids. I called him to find where
to send the donations and to let him know what we are doing. I have
enclosed his e mail to me after our discussion. He is doing a great
thing and if anyone else would like to get in, I will be mailing him
some Piet info when I get back from Sun n Fun. I'm sure a second
suprise would greatly appreciated.
After things are settled, I will post a total of $ raised but no
donor list. I figure this is about his kids.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Kenney285@aol.com
To: horzpool@goldengate.net
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: piet kids
Dick,
What a great surprise-thank you! Sabrina and I were covering
tonight and she was very excited to hear of your donation. We'll be
splitting up the money based on their hours-Sabrina just went over three
hundred tonight. I did not mention it in the article but three of our
kids are very much at risk with extremely limited resources. In fact,
we usually feed them at the hangar when they come up and I drive them
home due to gas prices. Accordingly, your money will be used to buy
savings Bonds for the kids. Enclosed are several pictures: Last class
project 1896 Chanute, Comstock in 1932, Bozeman Piet. Patrick
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: piet kids and Sun & Fun |
Chuck
You are right. It doesn't take much to make a difference in kids
lives, especially if you see they are starting that way themselves.
Someday they will see one of the great things that got them there is
that teacher and that experience. Showing them that others care also
adds to it. They will remember what they did and that it affected
others. I had a High School shop teacher that I put on the same level
as that. How many kids now get to learn to run a lathe, pour cast
aluminum, fabricate sheet metal and other things that can be used to
make things.
Dick N.
Dick,
I got the pictures, too. That is a great idea you had about helping
these kids with their aviation endevors. It also helps them realize
what 'Airplane People' are all about !!
Chuck G.
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| Subject: | Re: wing covering |
Or go to a Truss Head screw, which is very low.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing covering
> <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
>
> Tom,
>
> Possibly you could carefully cut away the fabric close to the screw heads.
> Then remove the screws, dimple the aluminum sheet around the holes, and
> install countersunk screws. A "dollar" fabric patch over each screw head
> should finish the job, and it should come out reasonsbly smooth.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Latex paint class |
After a high tech class on latex paint..........OK OK it was a show on the History
Channel "Modern Marvels", They were talking about how they make, and used
to make paints. I don't see any reason Poly spray would block any more light
than latex. Poly spray uses aluminum oxide as a UV block, Most modern paints
use Titanium oxide for uv protection. The old house paints used lead as a UV
block, (although you might need an 0-470 in a piet if you want to use lead paint
ha ha). Any way, watching that show taught me a little bit about the How's
and why's of paint. If you are using latex you may even be able to stop by a
Home Depot parking lot at 7 am and find a couple guys to paint it for cheap.
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: wing covering |
I don't know if your underside covering is on or if you are stretched all
the was tight, if not, there is a padding that is made to fair out things
like that. It is in ACS cataolog.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing covering
>
> Or go to a Truss Head screw, which is very low.
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Graham Hansen" <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wing covering
>
>
>> <ghans@cable-lynx.net>
>>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Possibly you could carefully cut away the fabric close to the screw
>> heads. Then remove the screws, dimple the aluminum sheet around the
>> holes, and install countersunk screws. A "dollar" fabric patch over each
>> screw head should finish the job, and it should come out reasonsbly
>> smooth.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Latex paint class-- aluminum PolySpray no oxide |
I think there might be a big difference here. The PolySpray has aluminum PARTICLES
in it (a suspension), so you are putting (I think) 3 coats of aluminum under
the finish paint, with the sole purpose of blocking UV. Relative to sunlight,
it is almost like having an aluminum wing.
OTOH, the latex paint with Titanium oxide is a wonderful white pigment which also
blocks UV to a degree, as does all paint.
All this said, I'd love to save money on paint.
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Apr 11, 2007 3:29 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Latex paint class
>
>After a high tech class on latex paint..........OK OK it was a show on the History
Channel "Modern Marvels", They were talking about how they make, and used
to make paints. I don't see any reason Poly spray would block any more light
than latex. Poly spray uses aluminum oxide as a UV block, Most modern paints
use Titanium oxide for uv protection. The old house paints used lead as a UV
block, (although you might need an 0-470 in a piet if you want to use lead paint
ha ha). Any way, watching that show taught me a little bit about the How's
and why's of paint. If you are using latex you may even be able to stop by
a Home Depot parking lot at 7 am and find a couple guys to paint it for cheap.
> Shad
>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Photos |
Ken
I can't find a pic of that set up. I am going to the hangar tomorrow,
I'll make a note to take a pic.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Photos
Say Dick,
Can you send me your photos on the seat belt set-up in your Piet? I
can't find them and would like to see the attachment points of the
cables and it complete design....
Thank You
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
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