Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 04/14/07


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 07:32 AM - Re: paint information -- COMBINATIONS? (Tim Willis)
     2. 07:44 AM - Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks) (Mike Kerley)
     3. 09:17 AM - Re: Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks) (HelsperSew@aol.com)
     4. 11:12 AM - Re: Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks) (Mike Kerley)
     5. 11:36 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator ()
     6. 11:38 AM - Re: Johnson airspeed indicator ()
     7. 11:41 AM - Re: Johnson airspeed indicator ()
     8. 11:45 AM - Re: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator ()
     9. 02:33 PM - Re: Johnson airspeed indicator CAD? (Steve Glass)
    10. 03:29 PM - off topic , but interesting link (walt evans)
    11. 06:21 PM - trouble viewing Peters' site (Oscar Zuniga)
    12. 08:00 PM - Re: trouble viewing Peters' site (Peter W Johnson)
    13. 08:04 PM - Want to buy your piet! (Jonathan Scholl)
    14. 09:18 PM - Re: Want to buy your piet! (Mike Kerley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:32:36 AM PST US
    From: Tim Willis <timothywillis@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: paint information -- COMBINATIONS?
    Ken, I am not sure I followed what was tested. I was able to view the pdf file, but saw no comparative data table. It looks like four samples were tested-- one with PolySpray alone, and three different tests of various coats of latex. Did any of the surfaces that were tested have three coats of Poly-Spray under the latex paint? Is that a possible combination? Some background first. I just looked up the Poly-Fiber process in my Poly-Fiber manual, "How to Cover an Aircraft using the Poly-Fiber System," revision no. 20, 7-01. I bought the manual as the current issue at Oshkosh last year. The Poly-Fiber people seem to indicate in their system that virtually ALL of the UV blocking comes from the undercoat of vinyl filled with aluminum powder-- what they call Poly-Spray. In fact, they recommend three coats of this Poly-spray. I am quite interested in prepping with Poly-Spray silver(aluminum powder)undercoat, followed by a couple of coats of latex finish paint. I know that generally one does not mix oil based primers and latex finish paints, but is this possible in this case? Let me tell you of my interest and position. Being as "tight as the bark on trees," I would love to finish with LATEX paint if it will last. I have enough aluminum PolySpray on hand to get the fabric prepped, but have NO finish paint yet. In fact, I have not even decided what colors to use. I will likely use a light color because I want to keep the heat down in and on the plane here in central TX. I am talking avoiding absorption of infrared and visible light, not UV radiation. I am trying to avoid heat buildup with the light shaded finish paint, and avoid fabric-damaging UV with the Polyspray underneath. It seems to me the ideal paints would be the silver (aluminum) PolySpray underneath and a white or silver finish latex paint[to save money]. Here are the questions: -- Will this work? -- Do people ordinarily spray latex paint over latex primer? -- In this case, can I successfully spray a latex finish paint over the PolySpray? -- Will it adhere and not craze, curdle, etc.? -- If not directly, will an intermediate thin latex primer over the PolySpray work? Has anyone ever tried this? Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" <kmheidecpo@yahoo.com> >Sent: Apr 9, 2007 1:36 PM >To: Pietenpol <Pietenpol-List@matronics.com> >Subject: Pietenpol-List: paint information > > Ultraviolet Absorption of Latex Paints by Kirk Huizenga For many years there has been discussions on the Pietenpol mail list as to the suitability of exterior latex paint as a system for covering an aircraft. A number of builders have completed their projects and have used latex paint to cover the fabric with claimed success. > One issue that had not been tested is the ability of latex paint to protect Dacron fabric from damaging UV light. In standard systems, there is a barrier layer of paint applied prior to color coats. > In the Poly-fiber system this is called Poly-spray. In the past, builders that have used latex paint to cover their fabric have sealed the fabric with black latex paint with the idea that black paint would absorb the most visible light and, hopefully, UV light. This, in turn, would protect the fabric from degradation. > > I have considered using latex paint on my Pietenpol rebuild, but wanted to be certain that it would, in-fact protect the fabric from UV degradation. There are builder that have had latex covered fabric for over 10 years without incident, but better safe than sorry. One should not assume that because visible light is being blocked that UV light is also being blocked. > Methodology: I contacted a friend of mine, Dr. Tom Varberg, a Professor of Chemistry at Macalester College in St Paul, MN and asked him about testing the paints. Tom agreed to help me in the testing by using a Beckman DU7400 Spectrometer. The spectrometer can record Transmittance, the amount of visible and ultraviolet light lost (or conversely, absorbed) by a material. Transmittance is the ratio of radiant power (p/o ) that makes it through the substance (paint) to the radiant power (P ) sent into the substance. > Transmittance can then be converted to Absorption (A) with the formula. Tom also supplied me with a small disk of quartz to use as a base for testing the paint at an appropriate thickness - similar to that expected when covering fabric. Quartz does not absorb or restrict UV light in the wavelengths we were PO P T = PO P A = logT Ultraviolet Absorption of Latex Paints by Kirk Huizengatesting (400-200nm) and therefore would not introduce error in the absorption readings. > I applied 4 different paints >1. Kilz Latex White >2. Glidden Exterior Latex-Wooland Green >3. Behr Exterior Flat Black >4. Poly-Fiber Poly-Brush) to the quartz with a small brush. > >After shooting a blank to calibrate the spectrometer, one of the painted areas on the disk was placed between the light source and the sensor. The light source flashes on (2 seconds for our test) and the sensor picks-up any energy that makes it through the paint. > >The DU7400 gives a graphic representation of Absorbance at each wavelength (in nanometers). In the charts below, I averaged the Absorption of every block of 10 nanometer since there were 600 data points for each sample (from 800 to 200 nanometers). > >As a curiosity, I also prepared some lightweight Poly- Fiber fabric generously given to me by Gil Leiter of St Paul, MN and tested it. I heat shrunk the fabric and tested it with and without paint and Poly-Brush (generously given by Pietenpoler, Robert Haines). > >The results are shown in Chart #2. Limitations: The Beckman DU7400 Spectrometer is limited to an absorption of 4.5 (but we will consider that to be sufficient at T=.0031%) The DU7400 is likely to show erroneous data or noise when at either extreme of its measurement (0 or 4.5). Some data for specific wavelengths may not be accurate, but a trend is obvious > >The testing we did does not account for reflection. Any light reflected by the paint would show up as being absorbed. This doesnt really change the applicability of the test results, but does raise a question of what color paint is the best to use on sealing and protecting the fabric. This is only a test of the UV blocking ability of latex (Continued on page 6) F or many years there has been discussions on the Pietenpol mail list as to the suitability of exterior latex paint as a system for covering an aircraft. > >A number of builders have completed their projects and have used latex paint to cover the fabric with claimed success. One issue that had not been tested is the ability of latex paint to protect Dacron fabric from damaging UV light. In standard systems, there is a barrier layer of paint applied prior to color coats. In the Poly-fiber system this is called Poly-spray. In the past, builders that have used latex paint to cover their fabric have sealed the fabric with black latex paint with the idea that black paint would absorb the most visible light and, hopefully, UV light. This, in turn, would protect the fabric from degradation. I have considered using latex paint on my Pietenpol rebuild, but wanted to be certain that it would, in-fact protect the fabric from UV degradation. > >There are builder that have had latex covered fabric for over 10 years without incident, but better safe than sorry. One should not assume that because visible light is being blocked that UV light is also being blocked. Methodology: I contacted a friend of mine, Dr. Tom Varberg, a Professor of Chemistry at Macalester College in St Paul, MN and asked him about testing the paints. Tom agreed to help me in the testing by using a Beckman DU7400 Spectrometer. > >The spectrometer can record Transmittance, the amount of visible and ultraviolet light lost (or conversely, absorbed) by a material. Transmittance is the ratio of radiant power that makes it through the substance (paint) to the radiant power sent into the substance. Transmittance can then be converted to Absorption with the formula. Tom also supplied me with a small disk of quartz to use as a base for testing the paint at an appropriate thickness - similar to that expected when covering fabric. Quartz does not absorb or restrict UV light in the wavelengths we were Ultraviolet paints. > >It does not deal with any other issues of using non-certified methods of covering and painting ones experimental aircraft like longevity, ability to seal the weave, adhesion, or flexibility/brittleness of latex paint. The Poly-Spray was tested with two layers one on the front of the disk and one on the back. We found that this introduced some errors. Some of the energy that makes it through the first layer of paint gets bounced around between the two layers and gives odd readings. > >Conclusions Latex paint can sufficiently blocks UV radiation and therefore protect Dacron fabric. Color does not seem to matter as far as level of absorption differences are extremely minor (in the range of thousands of a percent) > >This is a matter open for discussion, but the practice of using black paint as the base/sealing coat on fabric to block UV light may not be the best practice. > >White, in theory, would be a better paint for that. White paint has a high amount of Titanium Dioxide, which is highly reflective. > >Black paint, on the other hand, gets its color from Carbon Black primarily. Black paints have much less reflectivity and more absorption of light. > >Now, as I mentioned above, color does not seem to matter much in terms of protecting the fabric, but paint that is more reflective should last longer than paint that is more absorbing of light. > >It is not an issue of black or white being better at protecting the fabric, but rather the longevity and protection of the paint itself from breakdown. Brand of paint shouldnt make much difference in terms of UV protection, but could make a difference in durability and longevity of your paint job. >The above courtesy of http://www.eaa54.org >54NewsletterMarch2003.pdf > >--------------------------------- >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games.


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    Time: 07:44:11 AM PST US
    From: Mike Kerley <tuutuutango@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks)
    I haven't been on the Pietenpol list for more than a year and am returning to say hello to a few friends here and announce that I plan on putting my project up for sale in early June. I'll make a video of what I have and put it on YouTube when the Aircamper goes up for sale. The engine will be sold seperate from the Aircamper. The instrument panels will also be sold seperate. They are so good looking, they look like they belong in classic 1930s Rolls Royce. I bought Premium Carpathian Burl Elm that came from England and laminated my own plywood, Then sprayed about 9 coats of clear-coat on the finish and mounted all new goodies in the panel (another small fortune spent here!) The pilot-panel is finished and the passenger panel is simply laminated and has nothing mounted in it. These are not attached to the cockpit, but are ready for installation. The passenger cockpit is "tubed" for an airspeed indicator and can be flown from the front. The engine is a Continental A-80. (Looks just like an A-65 but has a few more ponies.) I spent a small fortune in rebuilding this engine. It has Cermanil cyclinders, a brand-spankin-new camshaft, Slick mags with dual impulse and they have about 5 hours TTSN, new wiring harness, a reman crankshaft, the case was rebuilt at DIVCO. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental Gold with new silicon valve cover gaskkets. The intake tubes are powder coated in Candy Apple Blue. The engine also has a new data plate, with info gleaned off the old data plate. New bearings, and a reman yellow-tag carb. I also have a motormount for this engine in matching Continental Gold (powder coated) that will be sold under a third listing. This engine looks brand new. It is the best looking small Continental "A" series I have ever laid eyes on! My father re-built this engine (he had an A&P license) and I'd like to keep it due to senamental reasons as he passed away shortly after the engine was rebuilt and his signature in in the logbook. I wish to limit my liability and will only sell this engine by having the buyer sign a statement that he/she knows the engine is being sold for parts only, and must be disassembled and rebuilt by someone else. I'll be making photo-copies of all my engine receipts and can provide a CD of the invoices for everything done to anyone sending me a pre-paid SASE for mailing a CD. I suspect the cost for postage would be in the neighborhood of $2.00, so please send a pre-paid envelope large enought to accomodate a CD. I just wanted to give everyone a heads-up about this and you can keep an eye out on my YouTube postings by going to YouTube and typing in my moniker, "TUUTUUTANGO" to see a list of my videos. I'll probably post the airplane under a heading of PIETENPOL and the engine will be under CONTINENAL AIRCRAFT ENGINE. The Piet and Contienetal videos will probably be on YouTube by the end of this month or in early May. I won't be able to give anybody a "sneak-preview" until the video is on YouTube because I will be in Washington state until further notice. The Aircamper and engine are in Central Texas inside a hanger. Wings are covered and painted in a light gray with Rustoleum. New cables will need to be installed because I had to cut the cables when I bought ths project in order to trailer the Aircamper from Kansas to Texas about 4 years ago. I found one small problem on the center-section. Everything looks great, BUT I believe the metal spar-plates need to have a doubler or washers welded onto them. My father caught this. I think it is a very easy process to remove these plates and weld on the doublers (or washers). The center section will need to be recovered. I had planned on building in a small strobe light into the leading edge of the center section using a small Lexan plate, but whoever buys this project can re-skin and re-build as they wish. This should be easy and I have new plywood I'll toss in as well as new fabric for this process. The fuselage is covered but I pulled fabric away from the firewall and it will need to be re-done. This project was originally built by an A&P/IA having a degree in an aviation dicipline... The fuselage is painted purple. I planned on sanding down the finish (it was painted in Rustoleum using a roller) and I had planned on using a red-white and blue Texas flag paint scheme desgined for me by DJ Vegh. The wheels are VERY NEAT looking they came from a Honda CB350 and I have them bead-blasted and powder-coated in red, to go along with the Texas flag design. They could easily be spray-painted in any color of your choice, and I think they would also look very authentic to the time period if they were painted black. Thanks, Sterling __________________________________________________


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    Time: 09:17:52 AM PST US
    From: HelsperSew@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks)
    Sterling, I am looking for an old-looking Airspeed indicator. What type do you have, how much $ and when will it go up for sale? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.


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    Time: 11:12:44 AM PST US
    From: Mike Kerley <tuutuutango@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Piet Project For Sale (in a few weeks)
    Dan: Everything I have is new. I've seen what you are looking for and was told Ebay is a good place to look. Sorry, but good luck. Sterling --- HelsperSew@aol.com wrote: > Sterling, > > I am looking for an old-looking Airspeed indicator. > What type do you have, > how much $ and when will it go up for sale? > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > __________________________________________________


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    Time: 11:36:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    I found this on one of my old letter.It may be the type of air speed indicator your after. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sayre, William G Sent: July 14, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator <william.g.sayre@boeing.com> For a store-bought source see... http://www.science-city.com/jodewest.html


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    Time: 11:38:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Johnson airspeed indicator
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    Here is another letter I found -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Conkling Sent: July 15, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson airspeed indicator Add this with Oscar's info on the Johnson A/S & you should be able to make it! Now, to find the drawing for that Mach meter for Chuck G.!! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:13 AM <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > Rogers asked- > > >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion > >Johnson airspeed indicator? > > Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back > and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup > (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing > struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I > would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could > easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info > found in the archives: > ============= > >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent > >perpendicular to > >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil > >is 3/4" in diameter > >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is > >3/8" long. > >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing > >that is in the > >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is > >about a #6, > >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The > >coil and pivot point > >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut > >for the pointer > >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the > >indicator markings > >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The > >angle plate > >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, > >with the pointer > >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To > >attach the > >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures > >1/4" X 1/4" > >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or > >smaller) set screws > >to secure the plate, wire, and block. > ================ > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 11:41:00 AM PST US
    Subject: Johnson airspeed indicator
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    On the last letter the attachment never followed.Here is the attachment. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rule, Harvey G (N092740) Sent: April 14, 2007 2:38 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Johnson airspeed indicator Here is another letter I found -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Conkling Sent: July 15, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson airspeed indicator Add this with Oscar's info on the Johnson A/S & you should be able to make it! Now, to find the drawing for that Mach meter for Chuck G.!! Mike C. Pretty Prairie, KS ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:13 AM <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > Rogers asked- > > >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion > >Johnson airspeed indicator? > > Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a while back > and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson setup > (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black wing > struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed Grentzer. I > would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you could > easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative info > found in the archives: > ============= > >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is bent > >perpendicular to > >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. The coil > >is 3/4" in diameter > >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that is > >3/8" long. > >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The bushing > >that is in the > >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The bolt is > >about a #6, > >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. The > >coil and pivot point > >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a slot cut > >for the pointer > >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with the > >indicator markings > >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. The > >angle plate > >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" thick, > >with the pointer > >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. To > >attach the > >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that measures > >1/4" X 1/4" > >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 (or > >smaller) set screws > >to secure the plate, wire, and block. > ================ > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > >


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    Time: 11:45:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator
    From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
    The last time I went to this web site you could buy one of those Johnson airspeed indicators.I don't see them there now.Maybe they ran out.You could make one of your own if your handy.You would have to experiment with the spring till you got it right however. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sayre, William G Sent: July 14, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Old fashion Johnson air speed indicator <william.g.sayre@boeing.com> For a store-bought source see... http://www.science-city.com/jodewest.html


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    Time: 02:33:43 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Glass" <redsglass@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Johnson airspeed indicator CAD?
    Where are the Autocad guys? This would be a perfect thing to arcive! Steve in Maine >From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca> >To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Johnson airspeed indicator >Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 14:38:23 -0400 > > >Here is another letter I found > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael >Conkling >Sent: July 15, 2006 8:52 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Johnson airspeed indicator > >Add this with Oscar's info on the Johnson A/S & you should be able to >make >it! Now, to find the drawing for that Mach meter for Chuck G.!! > >Mike C. >Pretty Prairie, KS > >----- Original Message ----- >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:13 AM > > ><taildrags@hotmail.com> > > > > Rogers asked- > > > > >Does anyone know where I can find some info to build an old fashion > > >Johnson airspeed indicator? > > > > Nobody really answered his question. I asked the same question a >while >back > > and someone very promptly sent me two close-up photos of their Johnson >setup > > (one static, one in flight) but I don't remember who it was (black >wing > > struts, yellow wings). Probably Chuck "Baby Oil" Gantzer or Ed >Grentzer. >I > > would be glad to send out those photos to anyone who wants them; you >could > > easily build one just like it by eyeball, along with this narrative >info > > found in the archives: > > ============= > > >It uses a .047" music wire, with 2 1/2 coils, and has a leg that is >bent > > >perpendicular to > > >lock the coil from rotating, and is inserted into the back plate. >The >coil > > >is 3/4" in diameter > > >and is spaced off the backing plate with a threaded thru bushing that >is > > >3/8" long. > > >From the center of the coil, to the tip of the pointer, is 7". The >bushing > > >that is in the > > >center of the coil is 3/8" diameter and is about 3/32" long. The >bolt is > > >about a #6, > > >and on each side of the coil is a plastic washer that is 7/8" O.D. >The > > >coil and pivot point > > >is covered with a molded plastic teardrop shape fairing, and has a >slot >cut > > >for the pointer > > >to travel in. The sweep of the arc is 70. The backing plate with >the > > >indicator markings > > >is .040 aluminum, probably 2024. The numbers are 20 thru 90 mph. >The > > >angle plate > > >that the relative wind pushes against is 1 1/4" X 2 1/8" X .030" >thick, > > >with the pointer > > >is on the 3/8" leg of this angle, which is next to the backing plate. >To > > >attach the > > >music wire to the angle plate, it has a small aluminum block that >measures > > >1/4" X 1/4" > > >X 3/4". The .040" wire is drilled thru length wise, and has two #2 >(or > > >smaller) set screws > > >to secure the plate, wire, and block. > > ================ > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > San Antonio, TX > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07


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    Time: 03:29:26 PM PST US
    From: "walt evans" <waltdak@verizon.net>
    Subject: off topic , but interesting link
    www.liveleak.com/view?i=b5a79a516c <http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b5a79a516c> do not archive Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking"


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    Time: 06:21:18 PM PST US
    From: "Oscar Zuniga" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: trouble viewing Peters' site
    I can get to the site just fine and it's a wonderful treasure of details and photos. However, I have cable modem and it still takes a while to load. I suspect that those of you with slower connections will time-out while trying to load the pages and your browser will thus give you the 'unable to access' error message. I believe it's due to the wallpaper (background) that Peter has on his pages. It's perfectly in keeping with this airplane, but it does make for slower loading. Too windy to fly today but there was a pancake breakfast at the EAA35 chapter clubhouse so I taxied the Piet down and parked it in the grass outside. People magnet! We were there maybe 30-45 minutes answering questions and listening to old-timers tell about their fabric airplanes, their wood props, their taildraggers, their A65s, their grass fields. I let a couple of kids sit in the cockpits and stir the stick around... their poppa was worried about them being too rough but I assured him that there was nothing they could hurt in the airplane and they had a great time. Hope to fly a bit tomorrow. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline


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    Time: 08:00:41 PM PST US
    From: "Peter W Johnson" <vk3eka@bigpond.net.au>
    Subject: trouble viewing Peters' site
    Oscar, Thanks for the info. I will try and make the images smaller to allow a speedier load time. Mark Langford commented on the images size sometime ago and I made them a little smaller. I will try again to reduce the size. Thanks Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://www.cpc-world.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Sunday, 15 April 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: trouble viewing Peters' site I can get to the site just fine and it's a wonderful treasure of details and photos. However, I have cable modem and it still takes a while to load. I suspect that those of you with slower connections will time-out while trying to load the pages and your browser will thus give you the 'unable to access' error message. I believe it's due to the wallpaper (background) that Peter has on his pages. It's perfectly in keeping with this airplane, but it does make for slower loading. Too windy to fly today but there was a pancake breakfast at the EAA35 chapter clubhouse so I taxied the Piet down and parked it in the grass outside. People magnet! We were there maybe 30-45 minutes answering questions and listening to old-timers tell about their fabric airplanes, their wood props, their taildraggers, their A65s, their grass fields. I let a couple of kids sit in the cockpits and stir the stick around... their poppa was worried about them being too rough but I assured him that there was nothing they could hurt in the airplane and they had a great time. Hope to fly a bit tomorrow. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton John. Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline -- 9:36 PM -- 9:36 PM


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    Time: 08:04:41 PM PST US
    From: Jonathan Scholl <chasamba9999@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Want to buy your piet!
    I am in the middle of a piet project I bought, but running out of time and steam. Thinking of selling yours? Let me know....


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    Time: 09:18:44 PM PST US
    From: Mike Kerley <tuutuutango@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Want to buy your piet!
    Hey, didn't you buy the Pietenpol I originally bought from DJ? You live north of Dallas? Sterling Brooks Winters, TX I can send you some still pictures, but won't be able to show the plane until I get home... --- Jonathan Scholl <chasamba9999@yahoo.com> wrote: > I am in the middle of a piet project I bought, but > running out of time and steam. Thinking of selling > yours? Let me know.... __________________________________________________




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