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1. 06:52 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (Scott Knowlton)
2. 06:55 AM - Lowell Frank's Piet (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 07:11 AM - Re: Lowell Frank's Piet (Tim Willis)
4. 07:45 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (Robert Gow)
5. 08:09 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
6. 01:50 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (walt evans)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (walt evans)
8. 02:28 PM - Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (Ken Chambers)
9. 02:53 PM - Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (Gene Rambo)
10. 03:17 PM - Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (walt evans)
11. 03:31 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet ()
12. 06:43 PM - Re: Riblett and performance (Don Emch)
13. 08:04 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP)
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building
(not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to
Broadhead this summer).
Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario)
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700
>
>Go here;
>
>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
>
>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
>properly.
>
>Clif
>
> Roman,
> Good for you.
> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
> Say you're going to slip to the left......................
> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
>that)
> 2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get
>PROPER GROUND TRACK.
> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will
>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading
>correctly.
> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
>everyting!!!!
> And land as normal
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Lowell Frank's Piet |
I'm thinking that this was discussed here a while back, but maybe it's
my memory. In any case, I spoke with Lowell at Brodhead the year he
first flew with his new wings. All he did was build a new set of wings,
nothing else was changed. So this gives a side by side exact
comparison.
If someone talks to him regularly, they should write down the specs and
post them, if not I can call him.
I do remember him saying that his cruise speed went up, his stall speed
went down, the stall was gentler, his climb was quicker and I'm thinking
his landing speed was slower.
Other than that, nothing really changed.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Lowell Frank's Piet |
There could be no better test. We would all benefit from Lowell's expeience. Will
someone volunteer to get his comparative data?
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Apr 19, 2007 7:53 AM
>To: pietenpolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lowell Frank's Piet
>
>I'm thinking that this was discussed here a while back, but maybe it's my memory.
In any case, I spoke with Lowell at Brodhead the year he first flew with
his new wings. All he did was build a new set of wings, nothing else was changed.
So this gives a side by side exact comparison.
>
>If someone talks to him regularly, they should write down the specs and post them,
if not I can call him.
>
>I do remember him saying that his cruise speed went up, his stall speed went down,
the stall was gentler, his climb was quicker and I'm thinking his landing
speed was slower.
>
>Other than that, nothing really changed.
>
>Douwe
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| Subject: | Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I
checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped
approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the
runway.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
<flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building
(not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to
Broadhead this summer).
Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario)
>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700
>
>Go here;
>
>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
>
>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
>properly.
>
>Clif
>
> Roman,
> Good for you.
> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
> Say you're going to slip to the left......................
> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
>that)
> 2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get
>PROPER GROUND TRACK.
> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will
>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading
>correctly.
> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
>everyting!!!!
> And land as normal
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
If you all really want to slip an airplane in any flying conditions to include
high winds....try an Ercoupe! Now thats a modified slip looking over the passengers
shoulders!....tee-hee-hee
Ken
Robert Gow <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca> wrote:
The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I
checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped
approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the
runway.
Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
Knowlton
Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building
(not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to
Broadhead this summer).
Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario)
>From: Clif Dawson
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700
>
>Go here;
>
>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
>
>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
>properly.
>
>Clif
>
> Roman,
> Good for you.
> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
> Say you're going to slip to the left......................
> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
>that)
> 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get
>PROPER GROUND TRACK.
> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will
>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading
>correctly.
> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
>everyting!!!!
> And land as normal
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
exactly!!!
I have that vid, but I love to watch it over and over
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Clif Dawson
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
Go here;
http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
properly.
Clif
Roman,
Good for you.
Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
Say you're going to slip to the left......................
1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
that)
2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to
get PROPER GROUND TRACK.
3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator
will read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not
reading correctly.
You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that
normal!!!!
then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
everyting!!!!
And land as normal
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
Bob,
I've said before that with the few planes over the years that I've checked
out in, with flaps. I could get into alot tighter places while slipping my
Piet.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
> <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
>
> The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I
> checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped
> approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the
> runway.
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
> Knowlton
> Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>
>
> <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
>
> Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building
> (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to
> Broadhead this summer).
>
> Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario)
>
>
>>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700
>>
>>Go here;
>>
>>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
>>
>>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
>>properly.
>>
>>Clif
>>
>> Roman,
>> Good for you.
>> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
>> Say you're going to slip to the left......................
>> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
>>that)
>> 2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get
>>PROPER GROUND TRACK.
>> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will
>>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not
>>reading
>>correctly.
>> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
>> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
>>everyting!!!!
>> And land as normal
>> Walt Evans
>> NX140DL
>> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx
>
>
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| Subject: | Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? |
OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument panel
together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp gauges are
essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you veteran A-65
pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My mentor (my Dad) says
he never had much use for one, but it seems like it might come in handy.
Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw? Does
that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the backside
anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go?
Thanks in advance
Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? |
If you can't change it, it doesn't do you any good. I'd chuck it.
Also, for thin plywood, I like using a flycutter, just back it up with a
piece of soft pine or something.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Chambers<mailto:ken.riffic@gmail.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<mailto:pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice?
OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument
panel together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp
gauges are essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you
veteran A-65 pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My
mentor (my Dad) says he never had much use for one, but it seems like it
might come in handy.
Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw?
Does that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the
backside anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go?
Thanks in advance
Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List<http://www.matronics.co
m/Navigator?Pietenpol-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? |
Cylinder temp? Naw, only watched that when flying 2 strokes
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Chambers
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:26 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice?
OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument
panel together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp
gauges are essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you
veteran A-65 pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My
mentor (my Dad) says he never had much use for one, but it seems like it
might come in handy.
Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw?
Does that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the
backside anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go?
Thanks in advance
Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
I had reason, sometime back before the dynasaurs were extinct, to slip an F-4 into
an approch for which I was poorly set up (too high, too fast). My back-seater,
having never been in a real airplane*, screamed bloody murder all the way
to our safe landing.
I was able later to make him realize that a slip is an excellent way to get down
in a hurry, even in 15 tons of military brick.
Mike Hardaway
PS: *A real airplane has one engine in front and the tail wheel is on the correct
end.
---- walt evans <waltdak@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Bob,
> I've said before that with the few planes over the years that I've checked
> out in, with flaps. I could get into alot tighter places while slipping my
> Piet.
> Walt Evans
> NX140DL
> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Gow" <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
>
>
> > <rgow@avionicsdesign.ca>
> >
> > The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I
> > checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped
> > approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the
> > runway.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott
> > Knowlton
> > Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
> >
> >
> > <flyingscott_k@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building
> > (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to
> > Broadhead this summer).
> >
> > Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario)
> >
> >
> >>From: Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca>
> >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet
> >>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700
> >>
> >>Go here;
> >>
> >>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
> >>
> >>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
> >>properly.
> >>
> >>Clif
> >>
> >> Roman,
> >> Good for you.
> >> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
> >> Say you're going to slip to the left......................
> >> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on
> >>that)
> >> 2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get
> >>PROPER GROUND TRACK.
> >> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will
> >>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not
> >>reading
> >>correctly.
> >> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
> >> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax
> >>everyting!!!!
> >> And land as normal
> >> Walt Evans
> >> NX140DL
> >> "No one ever learned anything by talking"
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind
> > http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Riblett and performance |
Lowell Frank used to have an inverted Funk engine ( Ford Model B actually turned
upright, does that make sense?), then he went to a 145 HP Warner ( that's right,
a 145), he sold that a few years ago and put a Lambert on it about 2 or so
years ago. I think that is the 90 horse. I flew with him when it had the 145
on it. It was all engine!
Don Emch
NX899DE
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108006#108006
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet |
Clif,
That was a very nice slip and landing......wish I was at the controls.
Ken Heide
Fargo, ND
Clif Dawson <CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca> wrote:
Go here;
http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg
You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it
properly.
Clif
Roman,
Good for you.
Two basic things my instructor taught me........................
Say you're going to slip to the left......................
1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on that)
2. left aileron<sp> to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get PROPER
GROUND TRACK.
3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will read funky
due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading correctly.
You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!!
then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax everyting!!!!
And land as normal
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
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