---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 04/19/07: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (Scott Knowlton) 2. 06:55 AM - Lowell Frank's Piet (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Lowell Frank's Piet (Tim Willis) 4. 07:45 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (Robert Gow) 5. 08:09 AM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) 6. 01:50 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (walt evans) 7. 02:02 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (walt evans) 8. 02:28 PM - Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (Ken Chambers) 9. 02:53 PM - Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (Gene Rambo) 10. 03:17 PM - Re: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? (walt evans) 11. 03:31 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet () 12. 06:43 PM - Re: Riblett and performance (Don Emch) 13. 08:04 PM - Re: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet (KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:35 AM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to Broadhead this summer). Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario) >From: Clif Dawson >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700 > >Go here; > >http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg > >You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it >properly. > >Clif > > Roman, > Good for you. > Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ > Say you're going to slip to the left...................... > 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on >that) > 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get >PROPER GROUND TRACK. > 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will >read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading >correctly. > You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! > then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax >everyting!!!! > And land as normal > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" _________________________________________________________________ Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:37 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lowell Frank's Piet I'm thinking that this was discussed here a while back, but maybe it's my memory. In any case, I spoke with Lowell at Brodhead the year he first flew with his new wings. All he did was build a new set of wings, nothing else was changed. So this gives a side by side exact comparison. If someone talks to him regularly, they should write down the specs and post them, if not I can call him. I do remember him saying that his cruise speed went up, his stall speed went down, the stall was gentler, his climb was quicker and I'm thinking his landing speed was slower. Other than that, nothing really changed. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:36 AM PST US From: Tim Willis Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Lowell Frank's Piet There could be no better test. We would all benefit from Lowell's expeience. Will someone volunteer to get his comparative data? Thanks, Tim in central TX -----Original Message----- >From: Douwe Blumberg >Sent: Apr 19, 2007 7:53 AM >To: pietenpolgroup >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lowell Frank's Piet > >I'm thinking that this was discussed here a while back, but maybe it's my memory. In any case, I spoke with Lowell at Brodhead the year he first flew with his new wings. All he did was build a new set of wings, nothing else was changed. So this gives a side by side exact comparison. > >If someone talks to him regularly, they should write down the specs and post them, if not I can call him. > >I do remember him saying that his cruise speed went up, his stall speed went down, the stall was gentler, his climb was quicker and I'm thinking his landing speed was slower. > >Other than that, nothing really changed. > >Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:05 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the runway. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to Broadhead this summer). Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario) >From: Clif Dawson >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700 > >Go here; > >http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg > >You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it >properly. > >Clif > > Roman, > Good for you. > Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ > Say you're going to slip to the left...................... > 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on >that) > 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get >PROPER GROUND TRACK. > 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will >read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading >correctly. > You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! > then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax >everyting!!!! > And land as normal > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" _________________________________________________________________ Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:09 AM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet If you all really want to slip an airplane in any flying conditions to include high winds....try an Ercoupe! Now thats a modified slip looking over the passengers shoulders!....tee-hee-hee Ken Robert Gow wrote: The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the runway. Bob -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott Knowlton Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to Broadhead this summer). Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario) >From: Clif Dawson >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet >Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700 > >Go here; > >http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg > >You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it >properly. > >Clif > > Roman, > Good for you. > Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ > Say you're going to slip to the left...................... > 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on >that) > 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get >PROPER GROUND TRACK. > 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will >read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading >correctly. > You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! > then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax >everyting!!!! > And land as normal > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" _________________________________________________________________ Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:56 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet exactly!!! I have that vid, but I love to watch it over and over Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Go here; http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it properly. Clif Roman, Good for you. Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ Say you're going to slip to the left...................... 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on that) 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get PROPER GROUND TRACK. 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading correctly. You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax everyting!!!! And land as normal Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:40 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Bob, I've said before that with the few planes over the years that I've checked out in, with flaps. I could get into alot tighter places while slipping my Piet. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Gow" Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet > > > The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I > checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped > approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the > runway. > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott > Knowlton > Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet > > > > > Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building > (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to > Broadhead this summer). > > Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario) > > >>From: Clif Dawson >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet >>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700 >> >>Go here; >> >>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg >> >>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it >>properly. >> >>Clif >> >> Roman, >> Good for you. >> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ >> Say you're going to slip to the left...................... >> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on >>that) >> 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get >>PROPER GROUND TRACK. >> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will >>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not >>reading >>correctly. >> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! >> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax >>everyting!!!! >> And land as normal >> Walt Evans >> NX140DL >> "No one ever learned anything by talking" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind > http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:40 PM PST US From: "Ken Chambers" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument panel together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp gauges are essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you veteran A-65 pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My mentor (my Dad) says he never had much use for one, but it seems like it might come in handy. Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw? Does that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the backside anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go? Thanks in advance Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:53:13 PM PST US From: "Gene Rambo" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? If you can't change it, it doesn't do you any good. I'd chuck it. Also, for thin plywood, I like using a flycutter, just back it up with a piece of soft pine or something. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument panel together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp gauges are essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you veteran A-65 pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My mentor (my Dad) says he never had much use for one, but it seems like it might come in handy. Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw? Does that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the backside anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go? Thanks in advance Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:39 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? Cylinder temp? Naw, only watched that when flying 2 strokes Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Chambers To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 5:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is a CHT gauge necessary, or just nice? OK, I've finally got a little money and I'm putting my instrument panel together. For the engine, I figure the oil pressure and temp gauges are essential. And of course the tach. But I'm wondering if you veteran A-65 pilots like to keep tabs on the cylinder head temp? My mentor (my Dad) says he never had much use for one, but it seems like it might come in handy. Also, anyone have experience cutting the holes with a common hole saw? Does that work, if you back up the plywood, or does it chew up the backside anyway? Maybe a fly cutter is the way to go? Thanks in advance Ken, making slow progress in Austin, Texas ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:41 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet I had reason, sometime back before the dynasaurs were extinct, to slip an F-4 into an approch for which I was poorly set up (too high, too fast). My back-seater, having never been in a real airplane*, screamed bloody murder all the way to our safe landing. I was able later to make him realize that a slip is an excellent way to get down in a hurry, even in 15 tons of military brick. Mike Hardaway PS: *A real airplane has one engine in front and the tail wheel is on the correct end. ---- walt evans wrote: > > Bob, > I've said before that with the few planes over the years that I've checked > out in, with flaps. I could get into alot tighter places while slipping my > Piet. > Walt Evans > NX140DL > "No one ever learned anything by talking" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Gow" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:43 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet > > > > > > > > The only planes I flew for years were my T'craft or my Chief. When I > > checked out in a 172 I was completely confused by a slipless flapped > > approach. I couldn't get used to landing with the nose lined up with the > > runway. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Scott > > Knowlton > > Sent: April 19, 2007 9:52 AM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet > > > > > > > > > > Nice video. What an inspiration to get back to the shop and keep building > > (not to mention the inspiration to drive the 12 hours to go back to > > Broadhead this summer). > > > > Scott K (a slow piet builder in Ontario) > > > > > >>From: Clif Dawson > >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet > >>Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 23:26:38 -0700 > >> > >>Go here; > >> > >>http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg > >> > >>You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it > >>properly. > >> > >>Clif > >> > >> Roman, > >> Good for you. > >> Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ > >> Say you're going to slip to the left...................... > >> 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on > >>that) > >> 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get > >>PROPER GROUND TRACK. > >> 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will > >>read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not > >>reading > >>correctly. > >> You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! > >> then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax > >>everyting!!!! > >> And land as normal > >> Walt Evans > >> NX140DL > >> "No one ever learned anything by talking" > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Find the best places on campus to get take out, study & unwind > > http://www.liveu.ca/explore.aspx > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblett and performance From: "Don Emch" Lowell Frank used to have an inverted Funk engine ( Ford Model B actually turned upright, does that make sense?), then he went to a 145 HP Warner ( that's right, a 145), he sold that a few years ago and put a Lambert on it about 2 or so years ago. I think that is the 90 horse. I flew with him when it had the 145 on it. It was all engine! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=108006#108006 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:18 PM PST US From: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Anyone want to talk about slipping a Piet Clif, That was a very nice slip and landing......wish I was at the controls. Ken Heide Fargo, ND Clif Dawson wrote: Go here; http://westcoastpiet.com/Videos/AirCamper-Slip.mpeg You may have to use the Realplayer option to see it properly. Clif Roman, Good for you. Two basic things my instructor taught me........................ Say you're going to slip to the left...................... 1. Right rudder to the stops. (that's the standard, never let up on that) 2. left aileron to the left, use the left aileron as needed to get PROPER GROUND TRACK. 3. All the time watching the nose pitch. the airspeed indicator will read funky due to the air going over the pitot at an angle, and not reading correctly. You've got to keep the nose pitched down,,,,lots more that normal!!!! then when you get good over the field,, like 20 feet,,,relax everyting!!!! And land as normal Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! 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