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1. 04:35 AM - Re: wire wheels (Phillips, Jack)
2. 08:16 AM - Trying to reply to DOUWE about my Garmin 196 (sorry list) (Mike Kerley)
3. 11:47 AM - Airdrome wire wheels (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
4. 12:31 PM - Re: Airdrome wire wheels (Michael Groah)
5. 01:11 PM - wheel weights (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC])
6. 02:31 PM - Re: wheel weights (skellytownflyer)
7. 02:56 PM - Wheel weights (HelsperSew@aol.com)
8. 07:52 PM - Re: wheel weights (Clif Dawson)
9. 07:52 PM - Re: GN-1 Roll Call (Steve Ruse)
10. 09:54 PM - Re: wire wheels (Catdesigns)
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Dan,
I think that price is pretty reasonable. I believe I paid about that
much for my hubs alone. I think the rims were close to $100, and having
them laced with custom spokes by Buchanons was another $100 or so. I
don't have the exact figures at hand, but they weren't cheap.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Loegering
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 5:40 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheels
--> <danl@odayequipment.com>
I know there has been a lot of discussion in the past about where to
purchase parts for wire wheels and such. I am just wondering what is an
average cost per wheel ready to roll if you went the route of buying
motorcycle rims, making a hub, buying spokes, buying tubes and tires,
etc...
I am leaning towards getting the kit from here...
http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76 and am just
wondering if their price tag is in the ball park. ($495.00 for both)
Thanks!
Dan Loegering
Fargo, ND
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| Subject: | Trying to reply to DOUWE about my Garmin 196 (sorry list) |
Piet List:
SORRY FOR THIS E-MAIL, BUT DOUWE SENT ME A REQUEST
ABOUT MY GARMMIN 196 ON EBAY AND MY REPLAY CAN'T GET
THROUGH HIS CONTROLS ON EARTHLINK. PLEASE DISREGARD...
Hey Douwe:
No Problema, as we say here in Texas.
My Garmin is pristine, works great and you'll love it.
I though I had died and gone to heaven when I first
took it out of the box and outside. My dad about fell
oever backwards, He retired flying corporate jets all
over the world and despite having inertial nav in a
G-ll that he flew, he wished he would have had one of
these back in the "olden days."
Sorry to be such a hard-nose on Ebay, but my account
was hijacked a couple of years ago and I no longer
trust Nigerians, Russians, Ethipoians... the list of
crooks goes on and on.
PS... take a look at this link... It is a first flight
in an airplane I built and flew (On YouTube)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWJUdhAmfvQ.
Now, I have to decide if I am going to finish my
Aircamper or sell that too... Decisions, decisions.
Sterling Brooks
Knot-2-Shabby Airport
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| Subject: | Airdrome wire wheels |
http://www.eaa1279.org/Pietenpol.htm
Dan--- go see EAA Chapter 1279's web site as they purchased the wire
wheel kit from Airdrome Airplanes and were quite
pleased. I don't see how you can go wrong at that price--- making my
own hubs and ordering everything thru a local motorcycle
shop here in Cleveland I spent $600 on my pair of 19" wheels (but I have
aluminum rims not steel) and that was back in 1993.
Mike C.
>>http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76
<http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76> and am just
>>wondering if their price tag is in the ball park. ($495.00 for both)
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| Subject: | Re: Airdrome wire wheels |
Do you know the weight difference between the aluminum and steel rims? What
did your complete wheels end up weighing?
"Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: http://www.eaa1279.org/Pietenpol.htm
Dan--- go see EAA Chapter 1279's web site as they purchased the wire wheel kit
from Airdrome Airplanes and were quite
pleased. I don't see how you can go wrong at that price--- making my own hubs
and ordering everything thru a local motorcycle
shop here in Cleveland I spent $600 on my pair of 19" wheels (but I have aluminum
rims not steel) and that was back in 1993.
Mike C.
>>http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76 and am just
>>wondering if their price tag is in the ball park. ($495.00 for both)
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Michael,
Aluminum is roughly 1/3 the weight of steel so whatever steel rims weigh
mine weigh about 66% less. Say that two steel rims are
5 pounds each (just as an example....I have no clue what some of them
actually weigh) then you have 10 pounds of steel rims vs. 3.33 pounds of
alum. rims.
Mike C.
PS--- disclaimer: I don't know what alloy my aluminum rims are....there
may be other alloys in there like magnesium but I have nada clue so your
rim density may vary:)
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| Subject: | Re: wheel weights |
Well that may be true-but I would expect they use thicker aluminum than the steel
to gain the same strength and I'd really be surrised if there is that much
difference.it would sure depend on if both wheels were designed for the same load,Raymond
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=109257#109257
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Guys,
I just went out to the hangar and weighed one of my wire wheels (alum),
complete with band-type brake drum. 20 lbs. This includes the bearings, tires
and everything. I'm not sure what the drum weighs separately.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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| Subject: | Re: wheel weights |
Yes but it isn't as strong so those rims would have to be
thicker for adequate strength. They will be lighter but
not by that much. The majority of the weight is in the tire
anyway.
Aluminum block engines, for instance, are not necessarily
lighter than iron and in a few cases are actually heavier.
Clif
Michael,
Aluminum is roughly 1/3 the weight of steel so whatever steel rims
weigh mine weigh about 66% less. Say that two steel rims are
5 pounds each (just as an example....I have no clue what some of them
actually weigh) then you have 10 pounds of steel rims vs. 3.33 pounds of
alum. rims.
Mike C.
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I would venture a guess that of all the Pietenpol builders out there,
Bernard probably made more modifications and did more experimenting with his
original plans than any almost builder since. I guess that makes him one of
the greatest "defilers" of the original design.
I'm not knocking those who build to the original plans down to the very last
splinter. In reality, I think those are the neatest Pietenpols out there.
But, at the same time, I have no problem with someone who wants to try
something new.
Steve Ruse (GN-1)
Norman, OK
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Roll Call
Even old Pietenpol himself wasn't a purist.He would change things to get
the best,otherwise he would still have flown the Jenny he orinally
started with and not have changed anything.Why change from an old model
A engine to anything else etc.Need I say more?
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Beenenga
Sent: April 24, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Roll Call
<kgbunltd@earthlink.net>
Jim,
I am not near buy, but feel we "GN-1 builders" need to hang together. I
have come to the conclusion that there are those "purist" out there,
(not all) who don't see "the advance variation" of the "father and fore
runner" of home built aircraft as "true".
Still, GN-1 builders have needs, interests and a willingness and desire
to build a good safe project.
Anyway, i am 80% done and as the ole saying goes, 80% to go. Still, my
wood frame fuselage is pretty well done, the Corvair needs to be built
and my wing are done. everything needs to be covered. mine sets on a
cub type gear, with brakes and tail wheel.
Where are you, with your project?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Cooper <blugoos1@hughes.net>
>Sent: Apr 23, 2007 8:27 AM
>To: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 Roll Call
>
>My partner, Tom Schildt, and I have been working on our GN-1, purchased
from South Lakeland Sport Aviation in Florida about 5 years ago.
Included in the purchase were the wings & tail feathers (uncovered),
4130 steel fuselage, and landing gear. Also purchased separately a C-85
engine. Our shop is north of Abbeville, Louisiana. Have met with Corky
in Shreveport and his wonderful wife, Isabelle several times. They are a
true inspiration. Look forward to meeting Wayne Poole in Denham Springs,
Louisiana, who I see from the list is also building a GN-1, and any
other nearby builders.
>
>
>Jim Cooper
>blugoos1@hughes.net
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Purchased my wheel building supplies in October . I'll give you the cost
per wheel.
Buchannon's
1 21" x 1.85 Sun Aluminum rims ----- $179
1-set Rim Pins (to help stop tire rotation)---- $6
40 9ga stainless steel spokes ---- $51.60
40 9ga .281x.900 Stainless steel nipple----- $41.60
Shipping----- $8 (remember this is only half the cost)
If your building them your self you will need a spoke wrench--- $19
I had Buchanan's loose lace one so I knew the spokes would fit---- $22
I built and trued the wheels my self.---- $0
Wheel hub with brake spacer from Ken Perkins----- $95 (includes shipping)
Had to have the bushings reamed because the ones Mr. Perkins supplies are
for ground axels and my axel is a non-ground 4130 tube --- $20 (strait axel
gear)
JC Whitney
Tire--- $27
Inner tube 80/100x21--- $8
Rim Strip--- $2 (actually $4 because JC Whitney charged me for them but
didn't send them. So I called and told them they were not in the shipment.
They sent me new ones and charged me for the new ones too. At his point I
was to depressed to care about $4)
Now for the weight (as weighed on my bathroom scale, so its +/- 1/2 pound)
No brakes
Rim--- 6 lb
wheel hub--- 2 lb
40 SS Spokes --- 2 lb
40 SS Nipples --- 1 lb
Tube --- 1 lb
Tire--- 6 lb
Total weight is about 18 pounds.
Did I forget anything?
Now for the true cost
Including the cost above trying to get wheels on my plane also cost:
$100 Very early on in my building I bought a set of wire wheels that turned
out to be to narrow and not up to the quality I would use on a plane.
$200 for motorcycle wheels from a junk yard oops salvage yard. What's the
difference between junk yard and salvage yard? Salvage yards charge more for
the same old junk. One rim turned out to have a cracked rim and I never
figured out how to get them to work with the strait axel. Also, no one who
used them with the strain axel replied to my emails asking for help. So I
didn't use them.
Total cost? You do the math I don't want to know. I makes me too
depressed. This has been one of the most frustrating and depressing
experiences of building this plane. What's worse, is after I spent all this
money and I had built the wheels, I discovered the spoke flanges have bent
in. As of now, I have taken the wheels apart, removed powder coat and bent
the flanges back strait(ish). I will then weld the outside joint where the
spoke flange attaches to the 2-inch tube, that was NOT welded by Mr.
Perkins, and rebuild them. On the bright side I'll be good at building
wheels. I'm so sick and tired of this type of thing happening that I find
it difficult to work on the plane and be happy right now. As you can tell
I'm in a deep funk about this. So the cost of the wheels also includes the
wasted time building, unbuilding and the weeks (months) it will take to get
over the utter frustration of the whole experience and return to building.
For now I'm going to go watch lots of TV instead of building. That should
drive me crazy and get me back out there soon I hope.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Loegering" <danl@odayequipment.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:39 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: wire wheels
> <danl@odayequipment.com>
>
> I know there has been a lot of discussion in the past about where to
> purchase parts for wire wheels and such. I am just wondering what is an
> average cost per wheel ready to roll if you went the route of buying
> motorcycle rims, making a hub, buying spokes, buying tubes and tires,
> etc...
>
> I am leaning towards getting the kit from here...
> http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/Default.asp?page=76 and am just
> wondering if their price tag is in the ball park. ($495.00 for both)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dan Loegering
> Fargo, ND
>
>
>
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