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1. 06:07 AM - Re: Wing Strut ForksWing Strut Forks (Ralph)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
3. 07:47 AM - Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware (Catdesigns)
4. 08:08 AM - Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware (MICHAEL SILVIUS)
5. 03:31 PM - Fiesta Fly-In, Cinco de Mayo, at W66 -Warrenton, VA (Wayne E. Bressler Jr.)
6. 03:36 PM - Piet kids update (Dick Navratil)
7. 03:42 PM - Fw: piet kids (Dick Navratil)
8. 04:16 PM - B & B Aircraft (lshutks@webtv.net (Leon Stefan))
9. 05:22 PM - Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware (Gordon Bowen)
10. 05:30 PM - Re: B & B Aircraft-- Some info (Tim Willis)
11. 07:15 PM - Re: B & B Aircraft (Pietsrneat@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut ForksWing Strut Forks |
Some thoughts of wheels. I have a couple of 18 inch rear wheels off of old
dirt bikes. The hubs are spaced at 4 inches. They originally had drum
brakes but disks could be attached to the sprocket drive side. I paid $5 for
one and $20 for the other. For tires I visited a motorcycle shop and went
through the discarded tire pile. I found a couple or 3.25 X 18 high mileage
but sound tire casings. (free because it costs the business to get rid of
them) The main expense was taking the rims to the local blacksmith shop to
have the centers reamed out and brass bearings inserted. ($70). The wheels
weigh in at 22 lbs each with tire mounted, but no brakes. I will be flying
off of private grass field so do not plan on having brakes. I am not done,
but feel confident my wheels will not be one of the problems I'll face.
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware |
These are not original plans. He is making photo copies and selling them as original
plans. I had already purchased real Pietenpol plans from the Pietenpol family.
I was buying his set of Piet and GN-1 drawings mainly for the GN-1. They
are photocopies he ran off at Staples with no serial numbers.
Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net> wrote:
A lot of the old plans from the 30's to the 50's were just 10-15 sheets
of crude drawings and no instruction/construction detailed manual. Paul P's
Pixie plans are just a few pages of drawings. Don't think any of these actually
cost $125 but who knows what they're worth today. Recently a unused serial
numbered set of plans went up on ebay for Rutan's Longeze and they fetched
$1500 bidding war, Burt's too big into other projects to support the homebuilt
stuff anymore, but it's a heck of a set of complete plans and drawings, if you
got the old newsletter updates. If you want good detailed drawing and instruction
manual you gotta pay $500 for a Cozy etc. I paid $350 for a set of plans
for Osprey couple years ago that were riddled with errors, designer still selling
plans that he knows have errors and has not updated plans since early 70's.
As far as plans go, it's hard to find them that you can actually build the
plane from start to finish without errors and
corrections, you gotta have lots and lots of help from local EAA guys or tech
advisors. I'd recommend finding someone in EAA somewhere near you who's actually
built a Piete like plane and go over them with him, find out what else you
need to know before tossing together any parts, even if the plans were detailed.
Gordon
N-1033B SuperPiete (whatta great flying fun plane, Bernard would be proud of
the mods)
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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware |
Ryan, I have a set of the old 8 1/2 x 11size GN-1 drawings I bought from
Mr. Grega for the large sum of $25. I will never build a GN-1 so you
can have them. As long as your serious about building something. Feel
free to email me off list.
Chris Tracy
Sacramento, Ca
Website at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware
These are not original plans. He is making photo copies and selling
them as original plans. I had already purchased real Pietenpol plans
from the Pietenpol family. I was buying his set of Piet and GN-1
drawings mainly for the GN-1. They are photocopies he ran off at Staples
with no serial numbers.
Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net> wrote:
A lot of the old plans from the 30's to the 50's were just 10-15
sheets of crude drawings and no instruction/construction detailed
manual. Paul P's Pixie plans are just a few pages of drawings. Don't
think any of these actually cost $125 but who knows what they're worth
today. Recently a unused serial numbered set of plans went up on ebay
for Rutan's Longeze and they fetched $1500 bidding war, Burt's too big
into other projects to support the homebuilt stuff anymore, but it's a
heck of a set of complete plans and drawings, if you got the old
newsletter updates. If you want good detailed drawing and instruction
manual you gotta pay $500 for a Cozy etc. I paid $350 for a set of
plans for Osprey couple years ago that were riddled with errors,
designer still selling plans that he knows have errors and has not
updated plans since early 70's. As far as plans go, it's hard to find
them that you can actually build the plane from start to finish without
errors and corrections, you gotta have lots and lots of help from local
EAA guys or tech advisors. I'd recommend finding someone in EAA
somewhere near you who's actually built a Piete like plane and go over
them with him, find out what else you need to know before tossing
together any parts, even if the plans were detailed.
Gordon
N-1033B SuperPiete (whatta great flying fun plane, Bernard would be
proud of the mods)
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Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware |
Ryan:
Be aware that the original GN1 drawings are quite basic as well.
They are about 19 pages of 11x17" size. it was not until just last year
that new full size ones were printed with corrections. The originals
were selling for 25 $ till about 2 yrs ago. The new full size ones sold
for 75$ if I am not mistaken. Be aware that there is also a fellow on
ebay that has a collection similar to what your seller there shows, but
I do not know if it is the same clown. If you are diligent and keep an
eye on ebay they do pop up occasionally.
As for Long EZ plans they are in high demand as they are not available
any longer from Rutan. They are a large package and quite comprehensive
and detailed. They have often been cited as what plans should be like. I
am fortunate in that I have a set of unused ones including the Roncz
canard and new rudders in pristine condition (minus the engine install
book, section 2) The valuable part in these is the full size templates
for the bulkheads and airfoil all the rest of the detailing can be
obtained via regular EZ community channels in the form of a CD.
For the right amount I could be convinced to part with them as I do not
think I'd ever build it at this point and it would be nice if someone
actually did use them. I definitely would not want them going to a
speculator who would intend to make copies from them.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
These are not original plans. He is making photo copies and selling
them as original plans. I had already purchased real Pietenpol plans
from the Pietenpol family. I was buying his set of Piet and GN-1
drawings mainly for the GN-1. They are photocopies he ran off at Staples
with no serial numbers.
Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net> wrote:
A lot of the old plans from the 30's to the 50's were just 10-15
sheets of crude drawings and no instruction/construction detailed
manual. Paul P's Pixie plans are just a few pages of drawings. Don't
think any of these actually cost $125 but who knows what they're worth
today. Recently a unused serial numbered set of plans went up on ebay
for Rutan's Longeze and they fetched $1500 bidding war,
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| Subject: | Fiesta Fly-In, Cinco de Mayo, at W66 -Warrenton, VA |
/All, I'm sharing this with the group as an open invite for any
EAA-types and sport aviation enthusiasts to stop in at W66 for some free
grub and good times. There will be plenty of local aircraft on the
field, and I will be there with my trusty camera to document all the
planes and good times. The community at W66 is very open and warm.
There aren't enough airports like this one with people like these! You
won't be disappointed./*
Fiesta Fly-In, Cinco de Mayo, at W66*
That's May 5, 2007!
To celebrate Mike Anderson and Chrissy Kirby taking over the FBO at W66,
we'll have a free cookout for everyone on Saturday, May 5th, in front of
the FBO. Food and fun start at noon. We'll feature the usual Bubba
Burgers, sodas (pre-flight), beer (post-flight), chips and famous W66
camaraderie.
Because it's Cinco de Mayo, there will also be some Mexican flare in the
form of Margaritas (both virgin and otherwise), salsa, etc.
Lastly, Mike and Chrissy need to sell some fuel. If you're able, please
do them a favor and don't top off this weekend. Mike and Chrissy want
plenty of air in those tanks when they come to fill them up on May 5.
Mike and Chrissy are hoping for 1,000 gallons on Saturday the 5th. Let's
make it happen!
Please pass this along to pilots based at other airports who want to
soak up the fun at W66. Also, feel free to bring kids and friends who
want airplane rides.
See you at the airport................
FMI and post-event photos visit:
http://www.ganation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7
-Wayne Bressler
wayne@taildraggersinc.com
www.ganation.com
www.taildraggersinc.com*
*
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| Subject: | Piet kids update |
I made it back from Sun n Fun the other night and have been getting
upacked and re-organized. I opened the envelopes with donatioins that
arrived while I was gone and added checks I received at SNF which in all
totalled $210. That gives us a grand total of $615, 2 Piet videos and a
brass data plate for them.
This is a very nice thing we all have done for them and I know they
appreciate it very much.
Thank you
Dick N.
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Ron: B&B Aircraft is located in Gardner Ks. (Kansas City) They didn't
use to have a web sight, but may now. They always have a large tent at
Osh. and S and F.. I don't have their number in front of me, but you
should be able to get it from Information. AS&S sells the same forks for
around $25 ea. and I will lay odds that they buy them from B & B. Leon
S.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware |
Michael,
Re Rutan's Long plans, go to the canard pusher user group at yahoo and
most a message you have some plans, you'd get a nice price out of them.
I'm a member of that group and we have about 650 members of all flavors
who have or are building canard aircraft. You're right, the Rutan
Aircraft Factory is the gold standard for all build from scratch type
plans. Nat Puffer's Cozy plans are almost word for word what Burt and
Mike Melvil put together 10 years earlier. Still love the Piete's
flying fun much better, ears flappin' in the wind and all.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: MICHAEL SILVIUS
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware
Ryan:
Be aware that the original GN1 drawings are quite basic as well.
They are about 19 pages of 11x17" size. it was not until just last
year that new full size ones were printed with corrections. The
originals were selling for 25 $ till about 2 yrs ago. The new full size
ones sold for 75$ if I am not mistaken. Be aware that there is also a
fellow on ebay that has a collection similar to what your seller there
shows, but I do not know if it is the same clown. If you are diligent
and keep an eye on ebay they do pop up occasionally.
As for Long EZ plans they are in high demand as they are not available
any longer from Rutan. They are a large package and quite comprehensive
and detailed. They have often been cited as what plans should be like. I
am fortunate in that I have a set of unused ones including the Roncz
canard and new rudders in pristine condition (minus the engine install
book, section 2) The valuable part in these is the full size templates
for the bulkheads and airfoil all the rest of the detailing can be
obtained via regular EZ community channels in the form of a CD.
For the right amount I could be convinced to part with them as I do
not think I'd ever build it at this point and it would be nice if
someone actually did use them. I definitely would not want them going to
a speculator who would intend to make copies from them.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
These are not original plans. He is making photo copies and selling
them as original plans. I had already purchased real Pietenpol plans
from the Pietenpol family. I was buying his set of Piet and GN-1
drawings mainly for the GN-1. They are photocopies he ran off at Staples
with no serial numbers.
Gordon Bowen <gbowen@ptialaska.net> wrote:
A lot of the old plans from the 30's to the 50's were just 10-15
sheets of crude drawings and no instruction/construction detailed
manual. Paul P's Pixie plans are just a few pages of drawings. Don't
think any of these actually cost $125 but who knows what they're worth
today. Recently a unused serial numbered set of plans went up on ebay
for Rutan's Longeze and they fetched $1500 bidding war,
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| Subject: | Re: B & B Aircraft-- Some info |
I just found this online. Sounds good.
"B&B Aircraft Supplies - This is a mom and pop shop with a whole warehouse full
of new aircraft parts. Super nice people and great prices. Check here before
you go elsewhere. No website, so... call or fax your order. Phone - 913-884-5930.
Fax 913-84-6533. "
Tim in central TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: Leon Stefan <lshutks@webtv.net>
>Sent: Apr 28, 2007 5:16 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: B & B Aircraft
>
>
>Ron: B&B Aircraft is located in Gardner Ks. (Kansas City) They didn't
>use to have a web sight, but may now. They always have a large tent at
>Osh. and S and F.. I don't have their number in front of me, but you
>should be able to get it from Information. AS&S sells the same forks for
>around $25 ea. and I will lay odds that they buy them from B & B. Leon S.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: B & B Aircraft |
In a message dated 4/28/2007 7:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lshutks@webtv.net writes:
Ron: B&B Aircraft is located in Gardner Ks. (Kansas City) They didn't
use to have a web sight, but may now. They always have a large tent at
Osh. and S and F.. I don't have their number in front of me, but you
should be able to get it from Information. AS&S sells the same forks for
around $25 ea. and I will lay odds that they buy them from B & B. Leon
S.
Thank you Leon and Tim for the info.
Ron
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