---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/29/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 PM - Plans (Larry Rice) 2. 05:12 PM - Re: B & B Aircraft-- Some info (Rcaprd@aol.com) 3. 07:45 PM - airplane plans & carb ice (Oscar Zuniga) 4. 09:31 PM - Re: airplane plans & carb ice (Gordon Bowen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:42 PM PST US From: Larry Rice Subject: Pietenpol-List: Plans If you wnat some well drawn scratch build tube & rag plans, try one of Ed Fisher's designs. I anyone wants to build a Zippy Sport, I have a set of those. Larry the micro Mong guy -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:52 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: B & B Aircraft-- Some info Here is the one I have information on : B & C Specialty Products Inc 123 East 4th PO Box B Newton, KS 67114 US 316-283-8000 Fax: 316-283-7400 _sales@bandcspecialty.com_ (mailto:sales@bandcspecialty.com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:31 PM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: airplane plans & carb ice Seeing the various posts here about the Piet, EZ, and GN plans, I guess my take is a little different from some. I buy or acquire plans for the sheer enjoyment of reading and studying them and I have maybe a dozen or more different sets of plans. I learn from each and every detail, every view, every section, every parts list. I don't expect them to be perfect and I don't expect them to be complete. I feel that I have enough interest and support to build one of whatever the plans are describing if I understand the designer's intent and spend enough time studying, examining, and dry-fitting things together. And it's what I most enjoy about scratch-building. I don't want a kit. What I don't appreciate are plans that are put out by theoreticians and marketed as "real". If I know that the designer actually built what he drew up, that's good enough for me- I can fill in the blanks, smooth out the curves, and spot the "you can't get there from here" stuff. It might cost me a scrapped piece of wood or metal, or the wrong length AN bolt, but that's OK. I don't mind following in the footsteps of somebody who has already built the part (or assembly) that I'm trying to build or understand from his drawings. I'm just grateful that he left me a trail of bread crumbs to follow on the way to my own dreams, part-way up a trail with someone else's footsteps on it. I know I'm not a kit builder and I'm not a "connect the dots" builder. And I don't think there are too many of that type of folks on this list. We build for the enjoyment, the challenge, the reward of working out the fine points and finding a slightly better way to do things. We build on the strong foundations but put our own touches on the finish. Might as well pass along my hard luck story for today. I went out to the airport, pulled the cowlings off the airplane, and set the idle speed and mixture on the carb (one of those "I'll get around to it" tasks that I'd been putting off). Set it at 550 RPM, as per Gorden Bowen's and others' recommendations for summer operations on the A65. Replaced the cowlings, preflighted, taxied to the active, and ran up the engine. Perfect. Lined up on the numbers, throttle in, tail up, and about 100' down the runway she started to stumble. Back on the power, the engine RPM smoothed out, but I was concerned. Back-taxied to the numbers, set the brakes, and full power runup this time. Clean. Full RPM, nice drop on mags and carb heat, no hesitation, no stumble. Rolled it back out onto the numbers, power in, tail up, stumble! Power back and that cleaned up the roughness, but I decided it wasn't my day to fly. Taxied to the hangar and looked under the cowling. Frost on the carb body and manifold, and lots of condensation on the carb and manifold areas. Carb ice. I didn't have a lot of time to give it another shot and had other tasks to do so I did them and put the airplane away. Thirty-five minutes after shutting down the engine, there was still condensation on the carb. My Tech Counselor up in Oregon, a Piet flyer with a Franklin on his airplane, advised me to use carb heat while taxiing and anytime the throttle came back to less than 1500 RPM. I think I'll take his advice from now on. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:30 PM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: airplane plans & carb ice Wow, we almost lost Oscar. Glad it happened on the ground and safe. The last time I had a hack hack cough the damn plane was 200' in the air, still had 5000' of runway to slip it back on with idle power. I had put an electric (Facet) boost pump in the fuel line to help with fuel head pressure on takeoffs. Forgot the pump switch, and the little ball inside pump kinda got stuck so fuel couldn't completely free flow from tank to carb. Facet claims the pump is completely non-restrictive when switch is off. Took pump back out of system, never had another problem. Electric fuel pump booster is recommended on some midwing homebuilts like the Longeze or Cozy. Figured couldn't hurt Piete's system due to low tank but was surprised to learn this little pump can get stuck closed and has happened to other builders in canard group. Agree 100% with comments about scratch built plans, it's always good to expand idears. Got lots of good ideas just looking at others projects via EAA meets. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oscar Zuniga" Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: airplane plans & carb ice > > > Seeing the various posts here about the Piet, EZ, and GN plans, I guess my > take is a little different from some. I buy or acquire plans for the > sheer enjoyment of reading and studying them and I have maybe a dozen or > more different sets of plans. I learn from each and every detail, every > view, every section, every parts list. I don't expect them to be perfect > and I don't expect them to be complete. I feel that I have enough > interest and support to build one of whatever the plans are describing if > I understand the designer's intent and spend enough time studying, > examining, and dry-fitting things together. And it's what I most enjoy > about scratch-building. I don't want a kit. > > What I don't appreciate are plans that are put out by theoreticians and > marketed as "real". If I know that the designer actually built what he > drew up, that's good enough for me- I can fill in the blanks, smooth out > the curves, and spot the "you can't get there from here" stuff. It might > cost me a scrapped piece of wood or metal, or the wrong length AN bolt, > but that's OK. I don't mind following in the footsteps of somebody who > has already built the part (or assembly) that I'm trying to build or > understand from his drawings. I'm just grateful that he left me a trail > of bread crumbs to follow on the way to my own dreams, part-way up a trail > with someone else's footsteps on it. > > I know I'm not a kit builder and I'm not a "connect the dots" builder. > And I don't think there are too many of that type of folks on this list. > We build for the enjoyment, the challenge, the reward of working out the > fine points and finding a slightly better way to do things. We build on > the strong foundations but put our own touches on the finish. > > Might as well pass along my hard luck story for today. I went out to the > airport, pulled the cowlings off the airplane, and set the idle speed and > mixture on the carb (one of those "I'll get around to it" tasks that I'd > been putting off). Set it at 550 RPM, as per Gorden Bowen's and others' > recommendations for summer operations on the A65. Replaced the cowlings, > preflighted, taxied to the active, and ran up the engine. Perfect. Lined > up on the numbers, throttle in, tail up, and about 100' down the runway > she started to stumble. Back on the power, the engine RPM smoothed out, > but I was concerned. > > Back-taxied to the numbers, set the brakes, and full power runup this > time. Clean. Full RPM, nice drop on mags and carb heat, no hesitation, > no stumble. Rolled it back out onto the numbers, power in, tail up, > stumble! Power back and that cleaned up the roughness, but I decided it > wasn't my day to fly. > > Taxied to the hangar and looked under the cowling. Frost on the carb body > and manifold, and lots of condensation on the carb and manifold areas. > Carb ice. I didn't have a lot of time to give it another shot and had > other tasks to do so I did them and put the airplane away. Thirty-five > minutes after shutting down the engine, there was still condensation on > the carb. > > My Tech Counselor up in Oregon, a Piet flyer with a Franklin on his > airplane, advised me to use carb heat while taxiing and anytime the > throttle came back to less than 1500 RPM. I think I'll take his advice > from now on. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. > http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.