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1. 06:03 AM - Re: Tail wires (Phillips, Jack)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Tail wires ()
3. 06:49 AM - Re: Tail wires (Phillips, Jack)
4. 07:00 AM - Re: Fir-spruce test (Steve Singleton)
5. 07:01 AM - Re: Tail wires (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 09:05 AM - Re: Tail wires ()
7. 09:46 AM - Re: Tail wires ()
8. 03:19 PM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits (walt evans)
9. 04:33 PM - Going South again (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 07:07 PM - Hem fir (Steve Singleton)
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Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very
low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about
the same
Jack P.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Chet
On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't
want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More
importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A
half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons,
The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings.
Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms.
Good luck
Dick N.
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From: Chet's Mail <mailto:Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the
tension required for the tail brace wires.
Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables?
Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have
been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark,
bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our
way. I hope to fly with in the month.
Chet Hartley
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I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center
position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those
off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out
of position???????????????
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Phillips, Jack
Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very
low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about
the same
Jack P.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
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Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Chet
On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't
want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More
importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A
half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons,
The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings.
Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms.
Good luck
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chet's Mail <mailto:Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the
tension required for the tail brace wires.
Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables?
Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have
been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark,
bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our
way. I hope to fly with in the month.
Chet Hartley
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Discussion here is tail BRACE wires. Not the elevator control cables.
That's a whole different issue, and one that I don't think ol' BHP
thought out too well.
Jack
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harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center
position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those
off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out
of position???????????????
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very
low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about
the same
Jack P.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Chet
On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't
want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More
importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A
half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons,
The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings.
Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms.
Good luck
Dick N.
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From: Chet's Mail <mailto:Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the
tension required for the tail brace wires.
Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables?
Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have
been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark,
bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our
way. I hope to fly with in the month.
Chet Hartley
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| Subject: | Re: Fir-spruce test |
I'll try there 1x6's next. Thanks for the tip. Steve S
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From: Jim Sury
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test
Straight worked just great. You could preshape but it isn't necessary.
What's great about my process is that you can buy 1x6 lumber and make
1x1 longerons. jas
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From: Steve Singleton
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test
Jim-dumb question but did you have the pieces for botttom long.
preshaped in jig when you glued them up or just straight. Steve S
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Sury
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test
Steve
Still worried about the fir. This is what I did with mine. Make
your longerons 1x1 but rip them to a little over 1/2 inch and glue them
back together. Take one of the pieces and swap ends. Than plane them to
1x1. Works great. jas
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Jack,
OK let's not be hasty and loose with the assumption that BHP actually made
any unintentional mistakes with those elevator control cables. I prefer to
think that BHP, being the visionary we all know he was, intentionally made those
cables that way because he knew that it would be one of the "distinguishing
characteristics" of his quaint design, and he knew we would all be talking
about it all these years later. Maybe he thought that the cable rubbing on the
L.E. of the horizontal stab would eliminate the weight and complexity of an
additional fairlead.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Thanks for straightening me out on that.By the way my bracing is done by
rods that are adjustable.See insert.
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: May 3, 2007 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Discussion here is tail BRACE wires. Not the elevator control cables.
That's a whole different issue, and one that I don't think ol' BHP
thought out too well.
Jack
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
harvey.rule@bell.ca
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center
position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those
off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out
of position???????????????
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Phillips, Jack
Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very
low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about
the same
Jack P.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick
Navratil
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Chet
On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't
want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More
importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A
half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons,
The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings.
Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms.
Good luck
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chet's Mail <mailto:Chethartley1@mchsi.com>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires
Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the
tension required for the tail brace wires.
Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables?
Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have
been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark,
bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our
way. I hope to fly with in the month.
Chet Hartley
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat
r
onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
ics.com
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Harvey,
Your tail bracing rods are pretty standard fare for old taildraggers. My 7AC Champ
was so equipped and was tuned to a low A#, very much like Jack Phillips'
"thummm"...very pleasant music until one of my "thumm"s became a "thud." It was
a tiny fracture in a rod at one rod end fitting. "Thummming" is an excellent
preflight check.
Mike Hardaway
---- harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
> Thanks for straightening me out on that.By the way my bracing is done by
> rods that are adjustable.See insert.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
Your look lots like mine, I've had good luck with them, so I think
you'll be satisfied.
I think that everyone should try to make their own. It's fun and very
rewarding.
In my picture # 188, you can see the "mini lathe" that I used to make
them. Always wanted one, so this was a good reason to buy it.
Notice the scratch on the bottom where the hub mets the flange. Thats to
line up the spoke holes from one flange to the other so the spokes will
lace right.
PS the white bearings are just PVC temporary bearings used to true up
the spokes on an axle mandrel.
Walt Evans
NX140DL
"No one ever learned anything by talking"
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
Group,
I have attached a photo of the wheels I made with 19" rims. I would
build wheels again now that I learned how to do it, however it took me a
very long time to learn and complete this portion of my project. I
agree that the $495 price of a complete set is a very reasonable price.
john e.
Bill Church <eng@canadianrogers.com> wrote:
Just got off the phone with Robert Baslee at Airdrome Aeroplanes.
Very nice to talk with. He says he has built over 50 sets of wheels and
feels quite satisfied with the present arrangement which he offers for
sale.
Here's the low-down on the wheel kits they sell:
The standard hub is 6" inside the flanges (about 6 1/4" outside) -
They CAN make a wider hub (about 7 1/4") if absolutely necessary, but
have had the best success with the standard hub.
The standard hub is fabricated from chromoly steel, and prime
painted.
Standard hub is supplied with oilite bushings with I.D. of 1.25".
Standard hub has a larger inside flange, with a bolt pattern to
attach brakes.
Spokes are heavy duty, chrome plated. (I didn't ask what gauge)
The rims are 19" diameter, chrome plated steel.
The tires are approx 3 1/4", resulting in overall diameter of about
25 1/2" for the wheel.
The wheel kit includes the hubs with bushings, spokes, rims, tubes
and tires (and a video).
The price listed on the website ($495 per pair) typically is for
customers who have purchased their landing gear from him. The price for
wheel kits alone is $595. Lacing and truing is typically another $100.
But Robert kind of hinted that they could probably include the lacing
and truing in the $595 price. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).
He said that they will sell the hubs alone for $195, because they
are a difficult part to make. If you want to make your own hubs, he said
he COULD sell the rims, spokes, tires & tubes, but anyone could do that.
From recent posts we see that John Egan has built his wheels for
about $340 (doing all the work himself), and Chris Tracy has invested
about $800 (with purchased hubs and 21" aluminum rims).
Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell?
Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos.
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| Subject: | Going South again |
Hi all,
On the road again to the Carolinas from Charlotte NC to the GA line on I 85.
During my travels I would like to meet up with other Piet owners and or
builders to check out projects flying and non.
Anyone in that area willing to share some Piet time please let me know, I
would appreciate a meet and greet evening if and where possible. Please let me
know if you're interested!
Thanks
John
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Has anyone used Hem Fir? My local lumber yard has some and they told me
it was very clear and sraight grained but i have not heard of it being
used on a Homebuilt before. I ran a search on the internet and it is
used in makeing a lot of trim lumber. Steve S
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