---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/03/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:03 AM - Re: Tail wires (Phillips, Jack) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Tail wires () 3. 06:49 AM - Re: Tail wires (Phillips, Jack) 4. 07:00 AM - Re: Fir-spruce test (Steve Singleton) 5. 07:01 AM - Re: Tail wires (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 09:05 AM - Re: Tail wires () 7. 09:46 AM - Re: Tail wires () 8. 03:19 PM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits (walt evans) 9. 04:33 PM - Going South again (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 10. 07:07 PM - Hem fir (Steve Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires From: "Phillips, Jack" Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about the same Jack P. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Chet On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons, The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings. Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms. Good luck Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chet's Mail To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the tension required for the tail brace wires. Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables? Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark, bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our way. I hope to fly with in the month. Chet Hartley href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires From: I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out of position??????????????? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about the same Jack P. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Chet On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons, The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings. Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms. Good luck Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chet's Mail To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the tension required for the tail brace wires. Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables? Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark, bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our way. I hope to fly with in the month. Chet Hartley href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:24 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires From: "Phillips, Jack" Discussion here is tail BRACE wires. Not the elevator control cables. That's a whole different issue, and one that I don't think ol' BHP thought out too well. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out of position??????????????? _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about the same Jack P. _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Chet On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons, The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings. Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms. Good luck Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chet's Mail To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the tension required for the tail brace wires. Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables? Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark, bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our way. I hope to fly with in the month. Chet Hartley href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:12 AM PST US From: "Steve Singleton" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test I'll try there 1x6's next. Thanks for the tip. Steve S ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sury To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test Straight worked just great. You could preshape but it isn't necessary. What's great about my process is that you can buy 1x6 lumber and make 1x1 longerons. jas ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Singleton To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test Jim-dumb question but did you have the pieces for botttom long. preshaped in jig when you glued them up or just straight. Steve S ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Sury To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fir-spruce test Steve Still worried about the fir. This is what I did with mine. Make your longerons 1x1 but rip them to a little over 1/2 inch and glue them back together. Take one of the pieces and swap ends. Than plane them to 1x1. Works great. jas href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:41 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Jack, OK let's not be hasty and loose with the assumption that BHP actually made any unintentional mistakes with those elevator control cables. I prefer to think that BHP, being the visionary we all know he was, intentionally made those cables that way because he knew that it would be one of the "distinguishing characteristics" of his quaint design, and he knew we would all be talking about it all these years later. Maybe he thought that the cable rubbing on the L.E. of the horizontal stab would eliminate the weight and complexity of an additional fairlead. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:16 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires From: Thanks for straightening me out on that.By the way my bracing is done by rods that are adjustable.See insert. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: May 3, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Discussion here is tail BRACE wires. Not the elevator control cables. That's a whole different issue, and one that I don't think ol' BHP thought out too well. Jack ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of harvey.rule@bell.ca Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires I don't understand how you can do that when the elevator is at center position you have the top cables holding it up and if you loosen those off it will drop the elevator .I tried to get them looser but it was out of position??????????????? ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phillips, Jack Sent: May 3, 2007 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Good answers, Dick. I don't want the wires to "ping". I prefer a very low "Thummmm". Important thing is to make them all sound and feel about the same Jack P. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick Navratil Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Chet On your first two questions, not much and not much. You definetly don't want the wires to ping or fwang when you pluck them on the tail. More importantly, make sure the wires leave the tail perfectly balanced. A half turn off here or there changes the way it flys. On the ailereons, The tighter they are the more friction on the pulleys and fittings. Align using the top cable and just snug up the bottoms. Good luck Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chet's Mail To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Can any one give me a direction to go where I can find the tension required for the tail brace wires. Also what is the tension of the alerion control cables? Just a update for everone on N970Y Mr. Don Hicks piet, I have been working on the starting problems of the model A. Due to poor spark, bad wires, dirty fuel and a bad mag we think we have things going our way. I hope to fly with in the month. Chet Hartley href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ics.com _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:08 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wires Harvey, Your tail bracing rods are pretty standard fare for old taildraggers. My 7AC Champ was so equipped and was tuned to a low A#, very much like Jack Phillips' "thummm"...very pleasant music until one of my "thumm"s became a "thud." It was a tiny fracture in a rod at one rod end fitting. "Thummming" is an excellent preflight check. Mike Hardaway ---- harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > Thanks for straightening me out on that.By the way my bracing is done by > rods that are adjustable.See insert. > > [snip] ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:19:41 PM PST US From: "walt evans" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits Your look lots like mine, I've had good luck with them, so I think you'll be satisfied. I think that everyone should try to make their own. It's fun and very rewarding. In my picture # 188, you can see the "mini lathe" that I used to make them. Always wanted one, so this was a good reason to buy it. Notice the scratch on the bottom where the hub mets the flange. Thats to line up the spoke holes from one flange to the other so the spokes will lace right. PS the white bearings are just PVC temporary bearings used to true up the spokes on an axle mandrel. Walt Evans NX140DL "No one ever learned anything by talking" ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits Group, I have attached a photo of the wheels I made with 19" rims. I would build wheels again now that I learned how to do it, however it took me a very long time to learn and complete this portion of my project. I agree that the $495 price of a complete set is a very reasonable price. john e. Bill Church wrote: Just got off the phone with Robert Baslee at Airdrome Aeroplanes. Very nice to talk with. He says he has built over 50 sets of wheels and feels quite satisfied with the present arrangement which he offers for sale. Here's the low-down on the wheel kits they sell: The standard hub is 6" inside the flanges (about 6 1/4" outside) - They CAN make a wider hub (about 7 1/4") if absolutely necessary, but have had the best success with the standard hub. The standard hub is fabricated from chromoly steel, and prime painted. Standard hub is supplied with oilite bushings with I.D. of 1.25". Standard hub has a larger inside flange, with a bolt pattern to attach brakes. Spokes are heavy duty, chrome plated. (I didn't ask what gauge) The rims are 19" diameter, chrome plated steel. The tires are approx 3 1/4", resulting in overall diameter of about 25 1/2" for the wheel. The wheel kit includes the hubs with bushings, spokes, rims, tubes and tires (and a video). The price listed on the website ($495 per pair) typically is for customers who have purchased their landing gear from him. The price for wheel kits alone is $595. Lacing and truing is typically another $100. But Robert kind of hinted that they could probably include the lacing and truing in the $595 price. (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). He said that they will sell the hubs alone for $195, because they are a difficult part to make. If you want to make your own hubs, he said he COULD sell the rims, spokes, tires & tubes, but anyone could do that. From recent posts we see that John Egan has built his wheels for about $340 (doing all the work himself), and Chris Tracy has invested about $800 (with purchased hubs and 21" aluminum rims). Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:04 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going South again Hi all, On the road again to the Carolinas from Charlotte NC to the GA line on I 85. During my travels I would like to meet up with other Piet owners and or builders to check out projects flying and non. Anyone in that area willing to share some Piet time please let me know, I would appreciate a meet and greet evening if and where possible. Please let me know if you're interested! Thanks John ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:46 PM PST US From: "Steve Singleton" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir Has anyone used Hem Fir? My local lumber yard has some and they told me it was very clear and sraight grained but i have not heard of it being used on a Homebuilt before. I ran a search on the internet and it is used in makeing a lot of trim lumber. 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