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1. 04:03 AM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits ()
2. 04:16 AM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits (gcardinal)
3. 04:20 AM - Re: Going South again (Phillips, Jack)
4. 04:35 AM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits (Phillips, Jack)
5. 04:39 AM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits ()
6. 05:34 AM - Re: Going South again (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
7. 05:42 AM - Re: Going South again (Phillips, Jack)
8. 07:14 AM - Re: Hem fir (Bill Church)
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Hem fir (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
10. 09:03 AM - washing the airplane (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 09:55 AM - Re: washing the airplane ()
12. 10:54 AM - Re: washing the airplane ()
13. 12:59 PM - Update!!!! Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
14. 04:25 PM - Re: washing the airplane (LWATCDR)
15. 06:06 PM - Tailwheel bracket (santiago morete)
16. 07:23 PM - Re: Tailwheel bracket ()
17. 07:23 PM - Re: Tailwheel bracket ()
18. 07:27 PM - While You're Making Flying Weather Plans (Tom Stinemetze)
19. 07:28 PM - Re: Tailwheel bracket ()
20. 11:09 PM - Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
I know when I drove my MGB car I wanted wire wheels but a few of the
guys told me that one drive over a bumpy road and these babies would be
out of round. The spokes would loosen up and there are all kinds of
trouble with tightening them again. Do you guys who have used wire
wheels on your Piet in the past find this to be a problem?
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Subject: | Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
I abuse the wire wheels on NX18235 pretty regularly with less than
graceful landings. No problems.
Greg C.
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
I know when I drove my MGB car I wanted wire wheels but a few of the
guys told me that one drive over a bumpy road and these babies would be
out of round. The spokes would loosen up and there are all kinds of
trouble with tightening them again. Do you guys who have used wire
wheels on your Piet in the past find this to be a problem?
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Subject: | Going South again |
If you get to the Raleigh, NC area, give me a call
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
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Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going South again
Hi all,
On the road again to the Carolinas from Charlotte NC to the GA line on I
85. During my travels I would like to meet up with other Piet owners and
or builders to check out projects flying and non.
Anyone in that area willing to share some Piet time please let me know,
I would appreciate a meet and greet evening if and where possible.
Please let me know if you're interested!
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
Not at all. Anyone who has flown with me can tell you that many of my
landings are not kind to the undercarriage. Even after a forced landing
where I hit hard enough to break the axle, the wheels are still true
(and no touch up was required to the wheels after that landing). Wire
wheels are actually among the strongest of wheels (which is why sports
cars used them to begin with).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
I know when I drove my MGB car I wanted wire wheels but a few of the
guys told me that one drive over a bumpy road and these babies would be
out of round. The spokes would loosen up and there are all kinds of
trouble with tightening them again. Do you guys who have used wire
wheels on your Piet in the past find this to be a problem?
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Subject: | Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
Too bad I listened to those guys.I could have had a set of nice wire
wheels on my car eh.
Do not archive
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Phillips, Jack
Sent: May 4, 2007 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
Not at all. Anyone who has flown with me can tell you that many of my
landings are not kind to the undercarriage. Even after a forced landing
where I hit hard enough to break the axle, the wheels are still true
(and no touch up was required to the wheels after that landing). Wire
wheels are actually among the strongest of wheels (which is why sports
cars used them to begin with).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
I know when I drove my MGB car I wanted wire wheels but a few of the
guys told me that one drive over a bumpy road and these babies would be
out of round. The spokes would loosen up and there are all kinds of
trouble with tightening them again. Do you guys who have used wire
wheels on your Piet in the past find this to be a problem?
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Subject: | Re: Going South again |
In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:21:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
you get to the Raleigh, NC area, give me a call
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
Jack,
Thanks for the invite, how far are you from Charlotte. I arrive Monday May
14 Charlotte NC, at this point I am available to drive to Raleigh if its not
too much of a trip. I arrive Charlotte around 5:00 pm so it is a possible if
not too far of a drive.
Please advise on distance and your availability.
Thanks
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Subject: | Going South again |
Charlotte is about a 3 hour drive from Raleigh
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Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going South again
In a message dated 5/4/2007 7:21:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com writes:
you get to the Raleigh, NC area, give me a call
Jack Phillips, PE
Sr. Manager, Disposable Products Research & Development
Cardinal Health Clinical Technologies & Services
Creedmoor, NC
(919) 528-5212
Jack,
Thanks for the invite, how far are you from Charlotte. I arrive Monday
May 14 Charlotte NC, at this point I am available to drive to Raleigh if
its not too much of a trip. I arrive Charlotte around 5:00 pm so it is a
possible if not too far of a drive.
Please advise on distance and your availability.
Thanks
John Recine
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Steve,
Not sure, when you say 'Hem Fir", if you are referring to Western
Hemlock. If that's what you mean, then it can be a suitable substitute
for Sitka Spruce (almost identical density, with higher strength). Ask
the lumberyard exactly what species they have on hand. Check the
weblinks that Chris Tracy posted yesterday, and you'll see Western
Hemlock listed in the charts.
Go to the Matronics Archives,
http://www.matronics.com/search/
and do a search in the Pietenpol Archive, using the word "hemlock". You
should find enough reading to keep you busy for a couple of hours. As
you read through, you'll see that at least one builder (Clif Dawson) has
built almost his entire airframe using CAREFULLY SELECTED Western
Hemlock.
I can't recall the source, but I definitely remember reading that BHP
built laminated spars from carefully selected lumberyard Hemlock.
Bill C.
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I couldn't resist googling the hem-fir, Here is a clip form the site and th
e
link.
FYI the official word on Hem-Fir from:
(http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/default.asp)
Hem-fir is the name given to a combination of hemlocks or firs that share
similar characteristics. These include western hemlock and the true firs
(noble, California red, grand, pacific silver and white fir)=94specie
s primarily
found commercially in the Northwest states and British Columbia.
Hem-fir design values are nearly as strong as Douglas fir, resulting in an
economical and excellent structural product. High ratios for strength and
stiffness make it a good choice for framing, and the color of its wood is a
mong
the lightest of the western softwoods. Hem-fir is a species with excellent
preservative treatment characteristics, which makes it an economical option
to
naturally durable species like western cedars and redwoods.
Hem-fir products are available in structural, appearance and remanufacturin
g
grades.
_Weyerhaeuser > Softwood Lumber > Softwood Lumber Species > Hem-Fir_
(http://www.weyerhaeuser.com/ourbusinesses/buildingproducts/softwoodlumber/s
pecies/hem
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Subject: | washing the airplane |
Howdy, Pieters;
My airplane's wings sat in a hangar for two years while I repaired the
fuselage. Dust, bat droppings, rat droppings, bug stuff, rust drips from
the hangar framing, you name it. I have not bothered to clean it up yet but
will be doing so before the Hondo fly-in (SWRFI, June 1-2). The Poly-Fiber
care instructions say just use gentle detergent to clean the surfaces and a
good paste wax to protect them.
However... one of the recent Sport Aviation magazines carried an interesting
article about newer products that do a better job, so I'm going to give them
a shot and will report back on how they work. First product is "Extreme
Simple Green", which is supposed to be used to remove spots and stains
before giving the whole thing a washing. My airplane has plenty of spots
and stains so this will be a good test. The second product is "RejeX", a
polymeric coating that goes on after the surfaces are clean and dry, instead
of the wax job. Does NOT contain silicones that cause so many problems with
painting later on (such as Lemon Pledge, Armor All, etc. contain). Supposed
to make it much easier to remove bugs and droppings and lasts a couple of
months. The Texas weather will provide a good test for this.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Subject: | Re: washing the airplane |
Tell me how the Extreme Simple Green works, I remember in years past when rumors
were going around that simple green (Original) was linked to enhanced corrosion.
Do a google search and see what you find. Apparently bicycle riders who soaked
their chains in the Original Simple Green had cracks casued by accelerated
corrosion.
OF course Extreme Simple Green is supposed to address that.
Blue Skies,
Steve Dortch
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: washing the airplane
> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Howdy, Pieters;
>
> My airplane's wings sat in a hangar for two years while I repaired
> the
> fuselage. Dust, bat droppings, rat droppings, bug stuff, rust
> drips from
> the hangar framing, you name it. I have not bothered to clean it
> up yet but
> will be doing so before the Hondo fly-in (SWRFI, June 1-2). The
> Poly-Fiber
> care instructions say just use gentle detergent to clean the
> surfaces and a
> good paste wax to protect them.
>
> However... one of the recent Sport Aviation magazines carried an
> interesting
> article about newer products that do a better job, so I'm going to
> give them
> a shot and will report back on how they work. First product is
> "Extreme
> Simple Green", which is supposed to be used to remove spots and
> stains
> before giving the whole thing a washing. My airplane has plenty
> of spots
> and stains so this will be a good test. The second product is
> "RejeX", a
> polymeric coating that goes on after the surfaces are clean and
> dry, instead
> of the wax job. Does NOT contain silicones that cause so many
> problems with
> painting later on (such as Lemon Pledge, Armor All, etc. contain).
> Supposed
> to make it much easier to remove bugs and droppings and lasts a
> couple of
> months. The Texas weather will provide a good test for this.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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Subject: | washing the airplane |
All I ever use is dish washing detergent with some water mixed in and
spray that on .Let it sit for a while and wipe it off.Works to get bugs
off the prop too after a flight.My prop always looks like new.I don't
know how this will work on bat droppings though.I've only had to deal
with bird droppings and it works fine.
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Subject: | Update!!!! Pietenpol Rip Off, Beware |
Well I have to say the Baroness is awesome, she brought the photocopier to his
knees! I received my original plans, with serial number in the mail today. The
seller maintains it was an honest mistake. Barnstormers is great and the Baroness
provides a great service to the aviation community.
-Ryan
Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com> wrote:
These are not original plans. He is making photo copies and selling them as
original plans. I had already purchased real Pietenpol plans from the Pietenpol
family. I was buying his set of Piet and GN-1 drawings mainly for the GN-1.
They are photocopies he ran off at Staples with no serial numbers.
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Subject: | Re: washing the airplane |
I soaked my chains in it and never a problem. I love the stuff.
But then I rode of road so a chain was lucky to last me a year.
On 5/4/07, steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
>
> Tell me how the Extreme Simple Green works, I remember in years past when
> rumors were going around that simple green (Original) was linked to enhanced
> corrosion. Do a google search and see what you find. Apparently bicycle
> riders who soaked their chains in the Original Simple Green had cracks
> casued by accelerated corrosion.
>
> OF course Extreme Simple Green is supposed to address that.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve Dortch
>
> Do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> Date: Friday, May 4, 2007 11:18
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: washing the airplane
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> > <taildrags@hotmail.com>
> > Howdy, Pieters;
> >
> > My airplane's wings sat in a hangar for two years while I repaired
> > the
> > fuselage. Dust, bat droppings, rat droppings, bug stuff, rust
> > drips from
> > the hangar framing, you name it. I have not bothered to clean it
> > up yet but
> > will be doing so before the Hondo fly-in (SWRFI, June 1-2). The
> > Poly-Fiber
> > care instructions say just use gentle detergent to clean the
> > surfaces and a
> > good paste wax to protect them.
> >
> > However... one of the recent Sport Aviation magazines carried an
> > interesting
> > article about newer products that do a better job, so I'm going to
> > give them
> > a shot and will report back on how they work. First product is
> > "Extreme
> > Simple Green", which is supposed to be used to remove spots and
> > stains
> > before giving the whole thing a washing. My airplane has plenty
> > of spots
> > and stains so this will be a good test. The second product is
> > "RejeX", a
> > polymeric coating that goes on after the surfaces are clean and
> > dry, instead
> > of the wax job. Does NOT contain silicones that cause so many
> > problems with
> > painting later on (such as Lemon Pledge, Armor All, etc. contain).
> > Supposed
> > to make it much easier to remove bugs and droppings and lasts a
> > couple of
> > months. The Texas weather will provide a good test for this.
> >
> > Oscar Zuniga
> > San Antonio, TX
> > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
> >
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
Guys, how do you attach the tailwheel bracket to the fuselage? Each bracket has
four bolts, two going sideways an the other two from bottom to top of longeron
interfering with the truss members.
We are building the long fuselage and we would like to keep the original tube
lenght (less arm, stiffer and ligthter), mount it behind the gusset plates and
put the 4 bolts. Can this weaken the longerons to much? Gracias!
Santiago
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
More pics
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: May 4, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket
Guys, how do you attach the tailwheel bracket to the fuselage? Each
bracket has four bolts, two going sideways an the other two from bottom
to top of longeron interfering with the truss members.
We are building the long fuselage and we would like to keep the original
tube lenght (less arm, stiffer and ligthter), mount it behind the gusset
plates and put the 4 bolts. Can this weaken the longerons to much?
Gracias!
Santiago
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
Still more
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: May 4, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket
Guys, how do you attach the tailwheel bracket to the fuselage? Each
bracket has four bolts, two going sideways an the other two from bottom
to top of longeron interfering with the truss members.
We are building the long fuselage and we would like to keep the original
tube lenght (less arm, stiffer and ligthter), mount it behind the gusset
plates and put the 4 bolts. Can this weaken the longerons to much?
Gracias!
Santiago
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Subject: | While You're Making Flying Weather Plans |
For those of you close enough to McPherson, Kansas to think about flying
here, don't forget the annual When Pigs Fly nationally rated BBQ contest
and Fly in. This year the event will be on August 24-25 and it would
sure be great to have a few Air Campers and/or Sky Scout's here on the
ramp. The food is great, lots of other activities will be going on
(weather permitting) and I, for one, will ensure that any Pietenpol
birds get prime space on the ramp.
More info at: http://www.eaa1344.com/
Tom Stinemetze
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
One more
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of santiago
morete
Sent: May 4, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket
Guys, how do you attach the tailwheel bracket to the fuselage? Each
bracket has four bolts, two going sideways an the other two from bottom
to top of longeron interfering with the truss members.
We are building the long fuselage and we would like to keep the original
tube lenght (less arm, stiffer and ligthter), mount it behind the gusset
plates and put the 4 bolts. Can this weaken the longerons to much?
Gracias!
Santiago
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Subject: | Re: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits |
I've had two cars with wire wheels, a TR-2/3
and a 56 Healey. One was driven fast over
many miles of moutanous gravel roads on
Vancouver Island and the other saw some
of the same but not as much. The TR was
built like a truck but the Healey was too low.
Since they were sports cars I certainly wasn't
about to limit my speed now was I? Never
was there any indication of out of round and
there definitely would have been at speed on flat
smooth pavement after all that rough usage.
Clif
----- Original Message -----
From: harvey.rule@bell.ca
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:02 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airdrome Aeroplanes Wire Wheel kits
I know when I drove my MGB car I wanted wire wheels but a few of the
guys told me that one drive over a bumpy road and these babies would be
out of round. The spokes would loosen up and there are all kinds of
trouble with tightening them again. Do you guys who have used wire
wheels on your Piet in the past find this to be a problem?
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