---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 05/05/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Re: Hem fir (Clif Dawson) 2. 09:33 AM - Re: Hem fir (Gordon Bowen) 3. 01:03 PM - Re: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans (Rcaprd@aol.com) 4. 01:39 PM - Wire Wheel kits and old cars (Rcaprd@aol.com) 5. 03:53 PM - Re: Wire Wheel kits and old cars (Isablcorky@aol.com) 6. 06:13 PM - Re: Wire Wheel kits and old cars (Dick Navratil) 7. 09:21 PM - Blaine Aviation Weekend (Lyle Peterson) 8. 10:08 PM - Re: Wire Wheel kits and old cars (Graham Hansen) 9. 10:50 PM - Re: Wire Wheel kits and old cars (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:40 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir What it means is that in any given pile of material there will be some pieces that are Hemlock and some each of a few of the firs. In the firs used some are weaker than Spruce and some a little stronger. It will be difficult to tell which is which with a lot of it. I've encountered it here and gone through a few piles. None of it met my personal criteria. Framing material is fine for framing a house but is never graded to meet the needs we have. Knots, for instance, are quite acceptable in framing. As are many other defects. So choose carefully. Do you want one spar to be Pacific Silver at 6200 lb/in=C2=B2 and another of California Red at 7200 or Hemlock at 6800? Spruce in this same chart is 6700 lb/in=C2=B2 as a reference. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir Hem-fir is the name given to a combination of hemlocks or firs that share similar characteristics. These include western hemlock and the true firs (noble, California red, grand, pacific silver and white fir)=94species primarily found commercially in the Northwest states and British Columbia. Hem-fir design values are nearly as strong as Douglas fir, resulting in an economical and excellent structural product. High ratios for strength and stiffness make it a good choice for framing, and the color of its wood is among the lightest of the western softwoods. Hem-fir is a species with excellent preservative treatment characteristics, which makes it an economical option to naturally durable species like western cedars and redwoods. Hem-fir products are available in structural, appearance and remanufacturing grades. Weyerhaeuser > Softwood Lumber > Softwood Lumber Species > Hem-Fir ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:57 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir What I don't understand about all this debate re various woods is, WHY! The FAA's or EAA's Acceptable methods and materials booklets lets you know what's what about wood for aeroplanes. Your choice, but when you get right down to it, the cost of the wood is the absolute least of your cost in building a homebuilt. Why sweat it, get some sika spruce and start building or you'll never get flying. You'll make lots of mistakes, waste maybe 1/2 of your wood, but's still the least cost way of getting airborne. Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Clif Dawson To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir What it means is that in any given pile of material there will be some pieces that are Hemlock and some each of a few of the firs. In the firs used some are weaker than Spruce and some a little stronger. It will be difficult to tell which is which with a lot of it. I've encountered it here and gone through a few piles. None of it met my personal criteria. Framing material is fine for framing a house but is never graded to meet the needs we have. Knots, for instance, are quite acceptable in framing. As are many other defects. So choose carefully. Do you want one spar to be Pacific Silver at 6200 lb/in=C2=B2 and another of California Red at 7200 or Hemlock at 6800? Spruce in this same chart is 6700 lb/in=C2=B2 as a reference. Clif ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hem fir Hem-fir is the name given to a combination of hemlocks or firs that share similar characteristics. These include western hemlock and the true firs (noble, California red, grand, pacific silver and white fir)=94species primarily found commercially in the Northwest states and British Columbia. Hem-fir design values are nearly as strong as Douglas fir, resulting in an economical and excellent structural product. High ratios for strength and stiffness make it a good choice for framing, and the color of its wood is among the lightest of the western softwoods. Hem-fir is a species with excellent preservative treatment characteristics, which makes it an economical option to naturally durable species like western cedars and redwoods. Hem-fir products are available in structural, appearance and remanufacturing grades. Weyerhaeuser > Softwood Lumber > Softwood Lumber Species > Hem-Fir ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:43 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:29:29 PM Central Daylight Time, tstinemetze@cox.net writes: When Pigs Fly nationally rated BBQ contest and Fly in. This year the event will be on August 24-25 Hey Tom, I just put it down on my calender . See ya there (if not sooner). Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:00 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars In a message dated 5/5/2007 1:11:21 AM Central Daylight Time, CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes: I've had two cars with wire wheels, a TR-2/3 Hey Clif, I had a TR3 when I was 17 - 19 yrs old. Man, was that a fun car to drive. I always had 2 or 3 passengers with me, in case we had to push the car somewhere. Never had to open the door...just hop over and into the seat. Plenty of power, too. That was the first engine I rebuilt from start to finish. I won $100 dollars in a twisting road race with an Opel Cadet...blew 'im away. I was always racing somebody. That was the only car I know of, that in a hard corner, the front wheels would slide before the back ones...ya just had to get used to that. I put close to 10,000 miles on it while I had it. It did have some problems, though. Things kept falling off of it...Like one time the grill fell out, and I ran over it, another time one of the front brake pads fell off, and I didn't have brakes, another time the slave cylinder stopped working so I had to shut the engine off at any stop lights, and use the starter button go get going then shift without the clutch, another time the generator quit working (at night of course) and I had to drive home with no headlights because when I turned the headlight on (one of them worked) the engine stopped running, but sometimes if I pounded on the dashboard the generator would start working again. Then, of course, the windshield wipers never did work, so I carried a long wiper arm and blade off of a big chevy, and just used my left hand out over the windshield to wipe the windscreen off. This was a Lucas Electrical System. The steering box was kinda stiff, so I had to turn the steering wheel back to center. Never did have to worry about getting wet when it rained, because the ol' rag top couldn't keep much rain off of the occupants anyway (no side curtains). There was no heater core, so sometimes I had to scrape the windshield inside and out. I discovered it had a POSITIVE ground, after I put an Eight Track Tape Player in it, and it gobbled up three of my favorite tapes, before I realized it was playing them backwards, and had to pull about 100 feet of tape out of the player each time. Ah, yesss...that sure was a Fun car to drive !! Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:53:14 PM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars Chuck, Next week I'll tell you the story about how my daughter came home from La Tech one week end and told me about the bargain she found in a drainage ditch for $100. Yep, an MG Midget w/ wire wheels. Corky ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:11 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars Don't you wish you still had the TR-3? I had one also in the early 70's, paid $600 for it. Have you seen the prices now for them. Fun car to drive but I never knew when something like the generator would just fall out. Once the oil plug came out of the pan, talk about smokin. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rcaprd@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars In a message dated 5/5/2007 1:11:21 AM Central Daylight Time, CDAWSON5854@shaw.ca writes: I've had two cars with wire wheels, a TR-2/3 Hey Clif, I had a TR3 when I was 17 - 19 yrs old. Man, was that a fun car to drive. I always had 2 or 3 passengers with me, in case we had to push the car somewhere. Never had to open the door...just hop over and into the seat. Plenty of power, too. That was the first engine I rebuilt from start to finish. I won $100 dollars in a twisting road race with an Opel Cadet...blew 'im away. I was always racing somebody. That was the only car I know of, that in a hard corner, the front wheels would slide before the back ones...ya just had to get used to that. I put close to 10,000 miles on it while I had it. It did have some problems, though. Things kept falling off of it...Like one time the grill fell out, and I ran over it, another time one of the front brake pads fell off, and I didn't have brakes, another time the slave cylinder stopped working so I had to shut the engine off at any stop lights, and use the starter button go get going then shift without the clutch, another time the generator quit working (at night of course) and I had to drive home with no headlights because when I turned the headlight on (one of them worked) the engine stopped running, but sometimes if I pounded on the dashboard the generator would start working again. Then, of course, the windshield wipers never did work, so I carried a long wiper arm and blade off of a big chevy, and just used my left hand out over the windshield to wipe the windscreen off. This was a Lucas Electrical System. The steering box was kinda stiff, so I had to turn the steering wheel back to center. Never did have to worry about getting wet when it rained, because the ol' rag top couldn't keep much rain off of the occupants anyway (no side curtains). There was no heater core, so sometimes I had to scrape the windshield inside and out. I discovered it had a POSITIVE ground, after I put an Eight Track Tape Player in it, and it gobbled up three of my favorite tapes, before I realized it was playing them backwards, and had to pull about 100 feet of tape out of the player each time. Ah, yesss...that sure was a Fun car to drive !! Chuck G. NX770CG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:52 PM PST US From: "Lyle Peterson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blaine Aviation Weekend This is coming very soon but it should be a great fly-in. EAA Chapter 237 is having a fly-in pancake breakfast and lunch at Anoka County Airport in Blaine, MN on May 19th and 20th Chapter 237's Famous Pancake Breakfast with sausage and beverage runs from 7a.m. to noon and lunch of hamburgers, hot dogs and chili runs until 4p.m. There are two really great aviation museums on the airport. Golden Wings Museum has a collection of beautifully restored vintage airplanes that includes five trimotors. American Wings Air Museum has a collection of warbirds from WWII to Dessert Storm. They also have a Wright Flyer replica, an original 1911 Steco biplane plus many other exhibits. There was a Swift, an Ercoupe, a Luscombe T8-F plus a lot of other vintage airplanes, warbirds and the usual later model airplanes at last year's event. There will be a Hangar Dance Saturday evening with the Sights and Sounds of Dave Andrews Big Band. This has been a lot of fun for everyone that attended in past years. More can be found at www.eaachapter237.org Thank you, Lyle Peterson President, EAA Chapter 237 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:07 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars DO NOT ARCHIVE! Recent postings have brought back lots of memories. I had a 1954 Austin Healey 100-4 (4 cylinder engine) for about two years. It had wire wheels and I did have a problem with loose and breaking spokes on one wheel only. Took the wheel to a wizard who did motorcycle wheels and he fixed it at a reasonable cost. The A-H was a beautiful car and great fun to drive, but it was failure-prone. Parts would break without warning (door latches, clutch linkage rod, etc.). I think they were made of inferior metal because it was almost impossible to make a welded repair, so I wound up making new parts by hand. The Healey had very little ground clearance and it seemed I was always "dragging bottom" and finally sold it. After the Healey I got a 1956 Triumph TR3 which had more clearance, but wasn't as classy. It, too, was fun to drive and we did some fairly long trips with it. However, it was plagued with engine problems and we had the engine overhauled twice at considerable expense. It had disc type wheels which never gave a problem, but lacked the charm of the wire wheels. My wife accidentally hit some rocks (impossible to avoid) left across the road (Alaska Highway) and knocked the clutch slave cylinder off the aluminum bell housing. We managed to re-attach it and drove it for several months before making a permanent repair. We had that car for about three years and then sold it. Many years later, I acquired three (3) derelict TR3's and did a ground-up restoration resulting in one nice little car. After years of driving cars with power steering, I wasn't prepared for the direct, somewhat heavy, TR3 steering and finally figured out why the steering wheel was so large in diameter! It was an impressive performer, though, and easily left cars with emmission controls in the dust. Essentially, it was a high speed tractor; in fact the basic engine, I was told, was used in certain farm tractors. I drove it, in the summer only, for about three years and came to the conclusion that it was a "triumph", alright. A triumph of nostalgia over common sense, and so I sold it. (I wonder where it is today....) Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN DO NOT ARCHIVE! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:19 PM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wire Wheel kits and old cars Boy! I never had anything like that! Mine ran like a trooper. Maybe it was because it was the transition car between the two and the three. Also the steering was great on mine. I could drift it like there was no tomorrow. The Healey was the one to break loose on the front. I hated that! It just felt wrong. Only two things marred our comanionship. The battery went bad and one day. I had to start the thing with the crank in order to get to work. Then the head gasket blew. It required two gasket sets to repair it as that engine was half the old two and half the new three! ( 1956 I think) It was still going strong when I had to sell it. By the way,you know that the entire windshield assembly was removable for racing by backing off two large screws, right? I wonder if that's the appeal of the Piet? There's a lot of similarities. Both built like a brick you-know-what, both require attention to drive/fly, same fun- factor. After all this time I finally acquired a 3" micrometer and checked my best looking Corvair crank. The bearings are right in the middle of specs for a brand new one! Smooth too. That's made me a happy camper. :-) Clif I've had two cars with wire wheels, a TR-2/3 Hey Clif, I had a TR3 when I was 17 - 19 yrs old. Man, was that a fun car to drive. I always had 2 or 3 passengers with me, in case we had to push the car somewhere. Never had to open the door...just hop over and into the seat. Plenty of power, too. That was the first engine I rebuilt from start to finish. I won $100 dollars in a twisting road race with an Opel Cadet...blew 'im away. I was always racing somebody. That was the only car I know of, that in a hard corner, the front wheels would slide before the back ones Chuck G. 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