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1. 07:23 AM - Throttle control question (Rick Holland)
2. 07:32 AM - Re: Throttle control question (Phillips, Jack)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Throttle control question (John Egan)
4. 08:47 AM - Tailwheel bracket (santiago morete)
5. 08:58 AM - Re: Tailwheel bracket (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 09:47 AM - Throttle control question (Oscar Zuniga)
7. 09:51 AM - Re: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans (Steve Eldredge)
8. 10:20 AM - Re: Tailwheel bracket (Graham Hansen)
9. 01:12 PM - [ Dan Helsper ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
10. 03:30 PM - Re: Going South again (Gardiner Mason)
11. 04:53 PM - Re: Tailwheel bracket ()
12. 05:23 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rcaprd@aol.com)
13. 05:55 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rick Holland)
14. 05:59 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rick Holland)
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Subject: | Throttle control question |
I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my
Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the
front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My
question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb?
After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have
taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so
unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit.
Thanks
Rick
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Subject: | Throttle control question |
I ran a standard Bowden cable from my front throttle to the throttle on
the carburetor. Not entirely satisfactory - there is a LOT of friction
due to the major bends in the cable, going from the extreme left side of
the airplane to the carb close to the airplane centerline. As I recall,
I had a couple of near 90 degree bends, I would recommend as gentle a
bend as possible to reduce friction.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Holland
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question
I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers
in my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever
to the front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends.
My question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the
carb? After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I
have taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage,
its so unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit.
Thanks
Rick
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Subject: | Re: Throttle control question |
Good question Rick, as I am also interested in learning this. If I may expand on
your topic. I wonder if fastening the levers to the longeron (or another block
below the longeron) using wood screws is the standard method for fastening?
1. type of cable or linkage to the carb and how to fasten it
2. how to safely attach the throttle levers to the fuselage
john
-still kind of chilly in Wisconsin-
Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my
Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the front
with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is what
is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going through
three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit pictures
including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared
to the average rear cockpit.
Thanks
Rick
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Castle Rock, Colorado
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
Thanks for the pics Harvey!!
Jack Phillips, I read that you put the brackets on the longerons behind the gussets.
Is that correct? do you use the horizontal and vertical bolts? Dan Helsper,
I can't see the vertical bolts in those brackets. You will put them later?
Thanks!
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bracket |
Santiago,
I must have missed seeing vertical bolts in that bracket. I don't remember
seeing them on my 1933 plans. Are they there?
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
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Subject: | Throttle control question |
41CC uses a single run of Bowden cable all the way... the center wire is
continuous from pilot's control all the way to the carb, but the outside
jacket/sleeve is interrupted for the front cockpit throttle "lever"
(actually just a spool knob secured to the center wire). Simple and
effective. If I were to redo the setup I would change the position of the
knob in the front cockpit since it's a bit too far aft to get to
comfortably, but then again it's only rarely used up there and you really
don't want passengers fiddling with it anyway.
There is friction drag on the setup but I like it that way... the throttle
does not creep in cruise flight and it requires thought and action to move
the throttle without resorting to a friction clamping screw or a vernier
setup.
Oscar Zuniga
San Antonio, TX
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Subject: | While You're Making Flying Weather Plans |
Tim,
I think in your pictures from last year, the 'Pitts' is a Skybolt and
your 'stinson' is a luscombe silvaire.
Steve E
Low and Slow Since 1929
Pietenpol Aircamper
steve@byu.edu <mailto:steve@byu.edu>
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Stinemetze
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans
For those of you close enough to McPherson, Kansas to think about flying
here, don't forget the annual When Pigs Fly nationally rated BBQ contest
and Fly in. This year the event will be on August 24-25 and it would
sure be great to have a few Air Campers and/or Sky Scout's here on the
ramp. The food is great, lots of other activities will be going on
(weather permitting) and I, for one, will ensure that any Pietenpol
birds get prime space on the ramp.
More info at: http://www.eaa1344.com/
Tom Stinemetze
The Airplane Nut
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Subject: | Re: Tailwheel bracket |
Santiago,
On my Pietenpol, I used only two AN3 (3/16") bolts, placed horizontally
in the lower longeron, for each bracket. I did not use vertical bolts in
order to avoid having too many holes through the longeron. The lower
tabs simply rest against the lower longeron surface and serve to
stabilize the fitting.
Instead of separate bolts for the forward end of the vee-type yoke, I
used a single long 1/4" pivot bolt made from steel drill rod. And the
yoke vee has a 1/2" x .035' tube crosspiece located about 2" back from
the pivot bolt. This crosspiece was an early modification that really
stiiffened the yoke and enabled me to use the single long bolt without
a spacer.
This setup has been entirely satisfactory during literally thousands of
flights from rough fields. I wouldn't change it if I were to build
another Pietenpol.
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
Camrose, Alberta, Canada
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Subject: | [ Dan Helsper ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
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Subject: | Re: Going South again |
Hi you, I am building a Piet in Lagrange, Ga., and would be more than
willing to share info with you. Gardiner Mason
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Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:32 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going South again
Hi all,
On the road again to the Carolinas from Charlotte NC to the GA line on
I 85. During my travels I would like to meet up with other Piet owners
and or builders to check out projects flying and non.
Anyone in that area willing to share some Piet time please let me
know, I would appreciate a meet and greet evening if and where possible.
Please let me know if you're interested!
Thanks
John
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Subject: | Tailwheel bracket |
Looks like I'm going to have to sell my Piet Graham.With the high cost
of the hanger rent at 250.00/mo., the cost of gas and repairs to my
Malibou car I've run up against a wall.I figure she's worth $19500.00
cnd.So if any body on this list is interested contact me by personal
email Harvey.rule@bell.ca thanks.I hate to sell her but I can't see
the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. I figure I'll keep the N3
Pup since it can sit it outside and I won't need a hanger and she is
also great for winter flying which as you know,the Piet, isn't so
great.If I don't see a response from you guys then I'll put her up for
sale in the COPA and Barnstormers.I figured I'd give you guys first shot
at it.
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Hansen
Sent: May 7, 2007 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket
Santiago,
On my Pietenpol, I used only two AN3 (3/16") bolts, placed horizontally
in the lower longeron, for each bracket. I did not use vertical bolts in
order to avoid having too many holes through the longeron. The lower
tabs simply rest against the lower longeron surface and serve to
stabilize the fitting.
Instead of separate bolts for the forward end of the vee-type yoke, I
used a single long 1/4" pivot bolt made from steel drill rod. And the
yoke vee has a 1/2" x .035' tube crosspiece located about 2" back from
the pivot bolt. This crosspiece was an early modification that really
stiiffened the yoke and enabled me to use the single long bolt without
a spacer.
This setup has been entirely satisfactory during literally thousands of
flights from rough fields. I wouldn't change it if I were to build
another Pietenpol.
Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN
Camrose, Alberta, Canada
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Subject: | Re: Throttle control question |
In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:24:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my
Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the
front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is
what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going
through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit
pictures including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared
to the average rear cockpit.
Thanks
Rick
It took me three tries, before I found a suitable method to mount the power
lever in the aft cockpit. Doug B. mounted it 'per plans', and it was just too
uncomfortably hard for me to manage, because my for arm was too long, and I
had to bend my wrist a lot just to get to it. You guys have never met a
'Purist' till you met Doug. He said "Well, you're just going to have to have surgery
to your left for arm, and have it shortened by about 4". Having found out
the surgery was going to cost more than the whole Pietenpol project, he agreed
we should move the throttle handle, and moved it forward several inches. That
still didn't feel right. I finally found the best way was to mount it
horizontally, under the instrument panel, so the handle was in a similar location
close to the left longeron. I use a bolt / castle nut / washer to adjust
friction. I bought a used J3 cub throttle cable to go from the carb, and
conveniently ended under the front panel. I use a 3/8" X .035" tube, flattened
at both
ends, to connect the J3 throttle cable to the throttle handle. The 3/8" tube
slides through an oversized Adel clamp that is mounted to the bottom of the
front panel. I have another pair of Adel clamps mounted tight on the 3/8 tube,
for the throttle handle for the front cockpit. Works good, no problems, and
I saved about $35,000 dollars not having the surgery.
Chuck G.
NX770CG
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Subject: | Re: Throttle control question |
Thanks Chuck, do you have and pictures? I know I have taken pictures of your
Piet at Broadhead but nothing with your throttle controls.
Rick
On 5/7/07, Rcaprd@aol.com <Rcaprd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:24:32 AM Central Daylight Time,
> at7000ft@gmail.com writes:
>
> I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in
> my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the
> front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My
> question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb?
> After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have
> taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so
> unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
>
> It took me three tries, before I found a suitable method to mount the
> power lever in the aft cockpit. Doug B. mounted it 'per plans', and it was
> just too uncomfortably hard for me to manage, because my for arm was too
> long, and I had to bend my wrist a lot just to get to it. You guys have
> never met a 'Purist' till you met Doug. He said "Well, you're just going to
> have to have surgery to your left for arm, and have it shortened by about
> 4". Having found out the surgery was going to cost more than the whole
> Pietenpol project, he agreed we should move the throttle handle, and moved
> it forward several inches. That still didn't feel right. I finally found
> the best way was to mount it horizontally, under the instrument panel, so
> the handle was in a similar location close to the left longeron. I use a
> bolt / castle nut / washer to adjust friction. I bought a used J3 cub
> throttle cable to go from the carb, and conveniently ended under the front
> panel. I use a 3/8" X .035" tube, flattened at both ends, to connect the J3
> throttle cable to the throttle handle. The 3/8" tube slides through an
> oversized Adel clamp that is mounted to the bottom of the front panel. I
> have another pair of Adel clamps mounted tight on the 3/8 tube, for the
> throttle handle for the front cockpit. Works good, no problems, and I saved
> about $35,000 dollars not having the surgery.
>
> Chuck G.
> NX770CG
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Throttle control question |
That's about as simple a solution as I can imagine Oscar (which usually
means its a good solution), I assume you clamped the cable housing under the
front and rear cockpits?
Rick
On 5/7/07, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> 41CC uses a single run of Bowden cable all the way... the center wire is
> continuous from pilot's control all the way to the carb, but the outside
> jacket/sleeve is interrupted for the front cockpit throttle "lever"
> (actually just a spool knob secured to the center wire). Simple and
> effective. If I were to redo the setup I would change the position of the
> knob in the front cockpit since it's a bit too far aft to get to
> comfortably, but then again it's only rarely used up there and you really
> don't want passengers fiddling with it anyway.
>
> There is friction drag on the setup but I like it that way... the throttle
> does not creep in cruise flight and it requires thought and action to move
> the throttle without resorting to a friction clamping screw or a vernier
> setup.
>
> Oscar Zuniga
> San Antonio, TX
> mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com
> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
>
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