---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/07/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:23 AM - Throttle control question (Rick Holland) 2. 07:32 AM - Re: Throttle control question (Phillips, Jack) 3. 08:33 AM - Re: Throttle control question (John Egan) 4. 08:47 AM - Tailwheel bracket (santiago morete) 5. 08:58 AM - Re: Tailwheel bracket (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 09:47 AM - Throttle control question (Oscar Zuniga) 7. 09:51 AM - Re: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans (Steve Eldredge) 8. 10:20 AM - Re: Tailwheel bracket (Graham Hansen) 9. 01:12 PM - [ Dan Helsper ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 10. 03:30 PM - Re: Going South again (Gardiner Mason) 11. 04:53 PM - Re: Tailwheel bracket () 12. 05:23 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rcaprd@aol.com) 13. 05:55 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rick Holland) 14. 05:59 PM - Re: Throttle control question (Rick Holland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:07 AM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit. Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:03 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question From: "Phillips, Jack" I ran a standard Bowden cable from my front throttle to the throttle on the carburetor. Not entirely satisfactory - there is a LOT of friction due to the major bends in the cable, going from the extreme left side of the airplane to the carb close to the airplane centerline. As I recall, I had a couple of near 90 degree bends, I would recommend as gentle a bend as possible to reduce friction. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Holland Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit. Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:08 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question Good question Rick, as I am also interested in learning this. If I may expand on your topic. I wonder if fastening the levers to the longeron (or another block below the longeron) using wood screws is the standard method for fastening? 1. type of cable or linkage to the carb and how to fasten it 2. how to safely attach the throttle levers to the fuselage john -still kind of chilly in Wisconsin- Rick Holland wrote: I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit. Thanks Rick -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:59 AM PST US From: santiago morete Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket Thanks for the pics Harvey!! Jack Phillips, I read that you put the brackets on the longerons behind the gussets. Is that correct? do you use the horizontal and vertical bolts? Dan Helsper, I can't see the vertical bolts in those brackets. You will put them later? Thanks! Santiago --------------------------------- Pregunt. Respond. Descubr. Todo lo que queras saber, y lo que ni imaginabas, est en Yahoo! Respuestas (Beta). ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:12 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket Santiago, I must have missed seeing vertical bolts in that bracket. I don't remember seeing them on my 1933 plans. Are they there? Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:42 AM PST US From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question 41CC uses a single run of Bowden cable all the way... the center wire is continuous from pilot's control all the way to the carb, but the outside jacket/sleeve is interrupted for the front cockpit throttle "lever" (actually just a spool knob secured to the center wire). Simple and effective. If I were to redo the setup I would change the position of the knob in the front cockpit since it's a bit too far aft to get to comfortably, but then again it's only rarely used up there and you really don't want passengers fiddling with it anyway. There is friction drag on the setup but I like it that way... the throttle does not creep in cruise flight and it requires thought and action to move the throttle without resorting to a friction clamping screw or a vernier setup. Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the im Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:17 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans From: "Steve Eldredge" Tim, I think in your pictures from last year, the 'Pitts' is a Skybolt and your 'stinson' is a luscombe silvaire. Steve E Low and Slow Since 1929 Pietenpol Aircamper steve@byu.edu From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Stinemetze Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: While You're Making Flying Weather Plans For those of you close enough to McPherson, Kansas to think about flying here, don't forget the annual When Pigs Fly nationally rated BBQ contest and Fly in. This year the event will be on August 24-25 and it would sure be great to have a few Air Campers and/or Sky Scout's here on the ramp. The food is great, lots of other activities will be going on (weather permitting) and I, for one, will ensure that any Pietenpol birds get prime space on the ramp. More info at: http://www.eaa1344.com/ Tom Stinemetze The Airplane Nut ____ | ____ \8/ / \ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:29 AM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket Santiago, On my Pietenpol, I used only two AN3 (3/16") bolts, placed horizontally in the lower longeron, for each bracket. I did not use vertical bolts in order to avoid having too many holes through the longeron. The lower tabs simply rest against the lower longeron surface and serve to stabilize the fitting. Instead of separate bolts for the forward end of the vee-type yoke, I used a single long 1/4" pivot bolt made from steel drill rod. And the yoke vee has a 1/2" x .035' tube crosspiece located about 2" back from the pivot bolt. This crosspiece was an early modification that really stiiffened the yoke and enabled me to use the single long bolt without a spacer. This setup has been entirely satisfactory during literally thousands of flights from rough fields. I wouldn't change it if I were to build another Pietenpol. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN Camrose, Alberta, Canada ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: [ Dan Helsper ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Dan Helsper Lists: Pietenpol-List Subject: Interchangeable Tail Skit/Tailwheel - No Tools Required... http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/HelsperSew@aol.com.05.07.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:59 PM PST US From: "Gardiner Mason" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going South again Hi you, I am building a Piet in Lagrange, Ga., and would be more than willing to share info with you. Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ----- From: AMsafetyC@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going South again Hi all, On the road again to the Carolinas from Charlotte NC to the GA line on I 85. During my travels I would like to meet up with other Piet owners and or builders to check out projects flying and non. Anyone in that area willing to share some Piet time please let me know, I would appreciate a meet and greet evening if and where possible. Please let me know if you're interested! Thanks John ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's free at AOL.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:49 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket From: Looks like I'm going to have to sell my Piet Graham.With the high cost of the hanger rent at 250.00/mo., the cost of gas and repairs to my Malibou car I've run up against a wall.I figure she's worth $19500.00 cnd.So if any body on this list is interested contact me by personal email Harvey.rule@bell.ca thanks.I hate to sell her but I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. I figure I'll keep the N3 Pup since it can sit it outside and I won't need a hanger and she is also great for winter flying which as you know,the Piet, isn't so great.If I don't see a response from you guys then I'll put her up for sale in the COPA and Barnstormers.I figured I'd give you guys first shot at it. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Hansen Sent: May 7, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel bracket Santiago, On my Pietenpol, I used only two AN3 (3/16") bolts, placed horizontally in the lower longeron, for each bracket. I did not use vertical bolts in order to avoid having too many holes through the longeron. The lower tabs simply rest against the lower longeron surface and serve to stabilize the fitting. Instead of separate bolts for the forward end of the vee-type yoke, I used a single long 1/4" pivot bolt made from steel drill rod. And the yoke vee has a 1/2" x .035' tube crosspiece located about 2" back from the pivot bolt. This crosspiece was an early modification that really stiiffened the yoke and enabled me to use the single long bolt without a spacer. This setup has been entirely satisfactory during literally thousands of flights from rough fields. I wouldn't change it if I were to build another Pietenpol. Graham Hansen Pietenpol CF-AUN Camrose, Alberta, Canada ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:56 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:24:32 AM Central Daylight Time, at7000ft@gmail.com writes: I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit. Thanks Rick It took me three tries, before I found a suitable method to mount the power lever in the aft cockpit. Doug B. mounted it 'per plans', and it was just too uncomfortably hard for me to manage, because my for arm was too long, and I had to bend my wrist a lot just to get to it. You guys have never met a 'Purist' till you met Doug. He said "Well, you're just going to have to have surgery to your left for arm, and have it shortened by about 4". Having found out the surgery was going to cost more than the whole Pietenpol project, he agreed we should move the throttle handle, and moved it forward several inches. That still didn't feel right. I finally found the best way was to mount it horizontally, under the instrument panel, so the handle was in a similar location close to the left longeron. I use a bolt / castle nut / washer to adjust friction. I bought a used J3 cub throttle cable to go from the carb, and conveniently ended under the front panel. I use a 3/8" X .035" tube, flattened at both ends, to connect the J3 throttle cable to the throttle handle. The 3/8" tube slides through an oversized Adel clamp that is mounted to the bottom of the front panel. I have another pair of Adel clamps mounted tight on the 3/8 tube, for the throttle handle for the front cockpit. Works good, no problems, and I saved about $35,000 dollars not having the surgery. Chuck G. NX770CG ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:08 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question Thanks Chuck, do you have and pictures? I know I have taken pictures of your Piet at Broadhead but nothing with your throttle controls. Rick On 5/7/07, Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/7/2007 9:24:32 AM Central Daylight Time, > at7000ft@gmail.com writes: > > I plan on making the standard "swinging pendulum" type throttle levers in > my Piet that most people use. Figure that will connect the back lever to the > front with a rod threaded on both ends with screwed on fork ends. My > question is what is the best way to go from the front lever to the carb? > After going through three years of Broadhead pictures I realized I have > taken no front cockpit pictures including front throttle linkage, its so > unexciting normally compared to the average rear cockpit. > > Thanks > > Rick > > It took me three tries, before I found a suitable method to mount the > power lever in the aft cockpit. Doug B. mounted it 'per plans', and it was > just too uncomfortably hard for me to manage, because my for arm was too > long, and I had to bend my wrist a lot just to get to it. You guys have > never met a 'Purist' till you met Doug. He said "Well, you're just going to > have to have surgery to your left for arm, and have it shortened by about > 4". Having found out the surgery was going to cost more than the whole > Pietenpol project, he agreed we should move the throttle handle, and moved > it forward several inches. That still didn't feel right. I finally found > the best way was to mount it horizontally, under the instrument panel, so > the handle was in a similar location close to the left longeron. I use a > bolt / castle nut / washer to adjust friction. I bought a used J3 cub > throttle cable to go from the carb, and conveniently ended under the front > panel. I use a 3/8" X .035" tube, flattened at both ends, to connect the J3 > throttle cable to the throttle handle. The 3/8" tube slides through an > oversized Adel clamp that is mounted to the bottom of the front panel. I > have another pair of Adel clamps mounted tight on the 3/8 tube, for the > throttle handle for the front cockpit. Works good, no problems, and I saved > about $35,000 dollars not having the surgery. > > Chuck G. > NX770CG > > > ------------------------------ > See what's free at AOL.com . > > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:59:16 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle control question That's about as simple a solution as I can imagine Oscar (which usually means its a good solution), I assume you clamped the cable housing under the front and rear cockpits? Rick On 5/7/07, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > taildrags@hotmail.com> > > 41CC uses a single run of Bowden cable all the way... the center wire is > continuous from pilot's control all the way to the carb, but the outside > jacket/sleeve is interrupted for the front cockpit throttle "lever" > (actually just a spool knob secured to the center wire). Simple and > effective. If I were to redo the setup I would change the position of the > knob in the front cockpit since it's a bit too far aft to get to > comfortably, but then again it's only rarely used up there and you really > don't want passengers fiddling with it anyway. > > There is friction drag on the setup but I like it that way... the throttle > does not creep in cruise flight and it requires thought and action to move > the throttle without resorting to a friction clamping screw or a vernier > setup. > > Oscar Zuniga > San Antonio, TX > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Download Messenger. Join the i'm Initiative. Help make a difference today. > http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. 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