---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/22/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:51 AM - Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer (Scott Schreiber) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer (Phillips, Jack) 3. 06:26 AM - strut wall thickness (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] (Rob Hart) 5. 07:09 AM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer (Roman Bukolt) 6. 10:30 AM - Lift Struts (Isablcorky@aol.com) 7. 12:05 PM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] (Scott Schreiber) 8. 12:08 PM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] () 9. 12:10 PM - Re: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer (Scott Schreiber) 10. 06:33 PM - Piet on ebay (Skip Gadd) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:42 AM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:53 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer From: "Phillips, Jack" Hi Scott, I wish I had just built up my struts from new streamline tubing. I used J-3 Lift struts and had to do quite a bit of work to get them ready. I would use the .049" wall - that is plenty. The J-3 struts are only .035" wall as I recall, and they are 1018 steel, not 4130. Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: strut wall thickness From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]" Scott, I second Jack's observations and here is a sketch of the streamline tubing that I used. I ordered new from Dillsburg Aero in PA and ordered threaded barrel inserts (that I welded in each bottom end) for all four strut ends. I had been given some older J-3 strut fork ends and had them magnafluxed prior to using them. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] From: "Rob Hart" Hi Scott Great picture of your cap strip steamer. One off topic question: How on Earth do you keep your gas stove that clean?? Jeez, if my wife saw the condition of yours I'd have serious questions to answer given that my domestic chores include said stove cleaning! Do not archive. Rob ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 8:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disseminate, copy or retain this e-mail or the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. 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The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. AION Diagnostics, Level 2, 40-48 Subiaco Square Road, Subiaco 6008, Australia, Phone: +61 (8) 6461 9400, Fax: +61 (8) 6461 9499 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:11 AM PST US From: "Roman Bukolt" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer Wing Struts SAE1020 1.78 x 1.06 x .049 $5.99/ft. Wag Aero 1-800-558-6868 Lyons, Wi. Bill Rewey says they're plenty strong enough and he should know. Roman Bukolt NX20795 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:20 AM PST US From: Isablcorky@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Lift Struts Pieters, Here I go again butting in on your conversations but wanted to add a few thoughts on the lift struts. Option 1 Two 1/4 in pieces of spruce with a piece of 1/4 in marine or exterior plywood sandwiched in between. I saw this on a Piet from Ohio at Brodhead and was impressed. He used the same materials for the cabanes. Option 2 Round tubing of appropriate strength streamlined with balsa and wrapped with fabric. Ala Sprirt of St Louis. Corky in nice cool Louisiana ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:49 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] Easy, the kitchen is for display purposes only. We use the microwave and phone for our actual meals. -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Hart To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] Hi Scott Great picture of your cap strip steamer. One off topic question: How on Earth do you keep your gas stove that clean?? Jeez, if my wife saw the condition of yours I'd have serious questions to answer given that my domestic chores include said stove cleaning! Do not archive. Rob ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 8:48 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disseminate, copy or retain this e-mail or the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. 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AION Diagnostics, Level 2, 40-48 Subiaco Square Road, Subiaco 6008, Australia, Phone: +61 (8) 6461 9400, Fax: +61 (8) 6461 9499 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:43 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] From: Dam,I've been doin it all wrong all these years! Do not archive ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: May 22, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] Easy, the kitchen is for display purposes only. We use the microwave and phone for our actual meals. -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Hart To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] Hi Scott Great picture of your cap strip steamer. One off topic question: How on Earth do you keep your gas stove that clean?? Jeez, if my wife saw the condition of yours I'd have serious questions to answer given that my domestic chores include said stove cleaning! Do not archive. Rob ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Schreiber Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 8:48 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer[Scanned] I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disseminate, copy or retain this e-mail or the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. AION Diagnostics, Level 2, 40-48 Subiaco Square Road, Subiaco 6008, Australia, Phone: +61 (8) 6461 9400, Fax: +61 (8) 6461 9499This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential information and is transmitted for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not use, disseminate, copy or retain this e-mail or the information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by telephone or reply e-mail, and permanently delete this e-mail from your computer system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message. Finally, the recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. AION Diagnostics, Level 2, 40-48 Subiaco Square Road, Subiaco 6008, Australia, Phone: +61 (8) 6461 9400, Fax: +61 (8) 6461 9499 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat r onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:29 PM PST US From: "Scott Schreiber" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer While the price is certainly an eye opener I haven't heard this particular one brought up before. I will have to do some reading on that one this evening. Any thoughts on the LE and TE materials? -Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Roman Bukolt To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer Wing Struts SAE1020 1.78 x 1.06 x .049 $5.99/ft. Wag Aero 1-800-558-6868 Lyons, Wi. Bill Rewey says they're plenty strong enough and he should know. Roman Bukolt NX20795 ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Schreiber To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Strut wall thickness, leading and trailing edge questions, and a $10 cap strip steamer I am pretty much settled on ordering the streamline 4130 and fabbing up the lift struts. After hours of web and archive searching I have found not one reference to the wall thickness. It comes in .049 and .058 in the correct size. The .058 comes at a weight and cost penalty. What did you choose? Second question, trailing and leading edge. I see that many have used doug fir banister and flooring. Since this isn't a load carying member in the way that the spars are do the normal grading and selection processes apply here? I can't imagine scrutinizing a stair railing the way you would sitka spruce for a spar or longeron. Is it as simple as hitting Lowes or home depot and picking the right size? And finally a chance to contribute, here is my $10 cap strip steamer. I have used it for years with model airplanes. Walmart sells the teapot for $5 and the plumbing pipe and adapter were about $5 on their own. The capstrip for the rib top slips in just fine and is ready in 15 min. It can be used on a hot plate or stove top. -Scott ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:44 PM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires. 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