---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/23/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - axle bolt (John Egan) 2. 07:43 AM - Re: Piet on ebay (Skip Gadd) 3. 09:38 AM - Re: axle bolt (Phillips, Jack) 4. 02:22 PM - Re: Piet on ebay () 5. 06:27 PM - Re: axle bolt (Dick Navratil) 6. 06:56 PM - Insurance (Ryan Michalkiewicz) 7. 07:08 PM - Re: Insurance (Dick Navratil) 8. 07:35 PM - Re: Insurance (Ben Charvet) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:11 AM PST US From: John Egan Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt Hello group, I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods to retain the wheels: 1. Threaded Castle Nut 2. A single bolt through a retaining collar Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt? I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share. Thanks all, John in Wisconsin --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:07 AM PST US From: "Skip Gadd" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay Maybe I should send the link! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ160118785101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ----- Original Message ----- From: Skip Gadd Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires. Skip skipgadd@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt From: "Phillips, Jack" Hi John, As with most questions on the best way to do things, I would say "It depends." If you are just using a simple bushing for your wheel bearings, a bolted collar is fine. An AN4 bolt should be more than adequate to resist any side loads (the Pietenpol has a built-in mechanism to prevent side loads from getting too great on the landing gear. It is called the "Ground Loop"). If you are using tapered roller bearings (I used a set of bearings from some old Goodyear wheels I found lying around the hangar) you need to be able to pre-load the bearings with some axial force. You won't be able to do that with a bolted collar and will need a threaded castle nut with a cotter pin to hold the nut in place. This then requires that you thread your axle, which is not the easiest process. On my first axle, I used a die with a hand wrench to thread the axle and got the threads a little crooked. When I rebuilt the axle, I had a machine shop turn the threads on a lathe and that worked much better. The thread is UNF-1-1/2-16. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Egan Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt Hello group, I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods to retain the wheels: 1=2E Threaded Castle Nut 2=2E A single bolt through a retaining collar Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt? I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share. Thanks all, John in Wisconsin _____ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _________________________________________________ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privilege d, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it i n error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. Dansk - Deutsch - Espanol - Francais - Italiano - Japanese - Nederlands - N ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:45 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay Skip, et al, Does anyone have knowledge of this airplane or have an idea what caused the damage to the left front cylinder? Obviously, without logs, this engine is a core waiting for overhaul, but it would be good to know some of its history. I would also want to check out the fuselage very carefully at the landing gear mounts. A rigid gear can transfer a lot of shock loads to the fuselage. Mike Hardaway ---- Skip Gadd wrote: > Maybe I should send the link! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ160118785101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Skip Gadd > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay > > > Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires. > Skip > > > skipgadd@earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:51 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt John Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be faster and easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size, you would be able to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen to have an 1 1/4" and 1 1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Egan To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt Hello group, I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods to retain the wheels: 1. Threaded Castle Nut 2. A single bolt through a retaining collar Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt? I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share. Thanks all, John in Wisconsin ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:39 PM PST US From: Ryan Michalkiewicz Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary? --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:10 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per year. dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Michalkiewicz To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:57 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance When I was buying insurance for my Baby Ace I asked about auto conversions for the Piet. Avemco was the cheapest for the Baby Ace (Continental A-75) and insured me for just liability $1 mil for around $600/year. They take in to consideration how many hours you have logged as a pilot and how many tailwheel hours you have. I asked about my Piet project, as I was planning to use a Corvair, but they wouldn't write that policy. The EAA folks wouldn't insure me in anything because I only had around 100 hours flight time and was still working on my tailwheel endorsement. They wanted at least 125 hours and 25 hours of tailwheel time. If you call around the companies will tell you what auto conversions they will cover. For those of you out there building and not flying, the insurance companies like to see recent hours flown, and a tailwheel endorsement will be necessary. I've heard that William Wynn knows how to get insurance on a Corvair, but I never checked that option out. I really liked the idea of a Continental and shifted my focus. Continental parts are definitely more expensive though! Ben Charvet Mims, Fl Ryan Michalkiewicz wrote: > Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive > or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a > certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! 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