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1. 12:46 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 05/23/07 (Graham and Robyn)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: axle bolt (John Egan)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: Insurance (hvandervoo@aol.com)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Insurance (Jack T. Textor)
5. 08:16 AM - Insurance (Jack T. Textor)
6. 05:09 PM - Re: Insurance (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
7. 05:21 PM - Hello Ben (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
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5. 06:27 PM - Re: axle bolt (Dick Navratil)
6. 06:56 PM - Insurance (Ryan Michalkiewicz)
7. 07:08 PM - Re: Insurance (Dick Navratil)
8. 07:35 PM - Re: Insurance (Ben Charvet)
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Time: 05:10:11 AM PST US
From: John Egan <johnegan99@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to
hold the spoked
wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods
to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt
sufficient in size
and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on
the bolt
size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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Time: 07:43:07 AM PST US
From: "Skip Gadd" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Maybe I should send the link!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ1601187
85101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Gadd
Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
Skip
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Time: 09:38:39 AM PST US
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
From: "Phillips, Jack" <Jack.Phillips@cardinal.com>
Hi John,
As with most questions on the best way to do things, I would say "It
depends."
If you are just using a simple bushing for your wheel bearings, a bolted
collar is fine. An AN4 bolt should be more than adequate to resist any
side loads (the Pietenpol has a built-in mechanism to prevent side loads
from getting too great on the landing gear. It is called the "Ground
Loop").
If you are using tapered roller bearings (I used a set of bearings from
some old Goodyear wheels I found lying around the hangar) you need to be
able to pre-load the bearings with some axial force. You won't be able
to do that with a bolted collar and will need a threaded castle nut with
a cotter pin to hold the nut in place. This then requires that you
thread your axle, which is not the easiest process. On my first axle, I
used a die with a hand wrench to thread the axle and got the threads a
little crooked. When I rebuilt the axle, I had a machine shop turn the
threads on a lathe and that worked much better. The thread is
UNF-1-1/2-16.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
Egan
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold
the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1=2E Threaded Castle Nut
2=2E A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient
in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the
bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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Time: 02:22:45 PM PST US
From: <bike.mike@charter.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
Skip, et al,
Does anyone have knowledge of this airplane or have an idea what caused
the damage
to the left front cylinder?
Obviously, without logs, this engine is a core waiting for overhaul, but
it would
be good to know some of its history.
I would also want to check out the fuselage very carefully at the
landing gear
mounts. A rigid gear can transfer a lot of shock loads to the fuselage.
Mike Hardaway
---- Skip Gadd <skipgadd@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Maybe I should send the link!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1974-PIETENPOL-AIRCAMPER_W0QQitemZ1601187
85101QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Skip Gadd
> To: pietenpol-list
> Sent: 5/22/2007 9:38:19 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on ebay
>
>
> Check out this Piet on ebay, looks like the only suspension is tires.
> Skip
>
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> skipgadd@earthlink.net
> EarthLink Revolves Around You.
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 06:27:51 PM PST US
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
John
Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be
faster and easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size,
you would be able to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen
to have an 1 1/4" and 1 1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to
hold the spoked wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two
preferred methods to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt
sufficient in size and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on
the bolt size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people
share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 06:56:39 PM PST US
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive or
more difficult
to obtain it having an auto engine than having a certified engine equipt
plane? Is it necessary?
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Time: 07:08:10 PM PST US
From: "Dick Navratil" <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
I have $1,000,000 liability and $9,000 hull for a total of $1,300 per
year.
dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Michalkiewicz
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
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Time: 07:35:57 PM PST US
From: Ben Charvet <bcharvet@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
When I was buying insurance for my Baby Ace I asked about auto
conversions for the Piet.
Avemco was the cheapest for the Baby Ace (Continental A-75) and insured
me for just liability $1 mil for around $600/year. They take in to
consideration how many hours you have logged as a pilot and how many
tailwheel hours you have. I asked about my Piet project, as I was
planning to use a Corvair, but they wouldn't write that policy. The EAA
folks wouldn't insure me in anything because I only had around 100 hours
flight time and was still working on my tailwheel endorsement. They
wanted at least 125 hours and 25 hours of tailwheel time. If you call
around the companies will tell you what auto conversions they will
cover. For those of you out there building and not flying, the
insurance companies like to see recent hours flown, and a tailwheel
endorsement will be necessary. I've heard that William Wynn knows how
to get insurance on a Corvair, but I never checked that option out. I
really liked the idea of a Continental and shifted my focus.
Continental parts are definitely more expensive though!
Ben Charvet
Mims, Fl
Ryan Michalkiewicz wrote:
> Does everyone carry insurance on their aircraft. Is it more expensive
> or more difficult to obtain it having an auto engine than having a
> certified engine equipt plane? Is it necessary?
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RE cables for tail wheel steering
Any thoughts on attaching tail wheel cables by nico press to main rudder
cables about three feet in from the tail?
It seems a very long run right up to the rudder bar & would also help
reduce weight near the tail
Thanks Graham Hewitt fuse 75% tail surfaces are complete
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Thanks guys for your good replys on retaining the spoked wheels. I happen to have
the bushings pressed into the hubs, so I'll go with the simple collar held
in place by a single 1/4" bolt.
Now on to setting the rudder bar in place.
Thank you,
John
Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
John
Either way would work fine. Drilling for an AN-4 would definetly be faster and
easier. If you know someone with a dye set for that size, you would be able
to adjust without adding too many washers. I happen to have an 1 1/4" and 1
1 1/2" dye if you are close to St. Paul, Mn.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: John Egan
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:09 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: axle bolt
Hello group,
I'd like to get some feedback on what the bolt size and type is to hold the spoked
wheels onto the straight axle? There seems to be two preferred methods
to retain the wheels:
1. Threaded Castle Nut
2. A single bolt through a retaining collar
Regarding the retaining collar and bolt method, is a 1/4 bolt sufficient in size
and is it a typical "AN-" bolt?
I do not find this subject in the archives yet, and I am not sure on the bolt
size by looking at all the helpful photograghs that people share.
Thanks all,
John
in Wisconsin
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After a lead from Mark Langford, on the Corvair list.
I contacted=C2- www.Skysmith.com
This is the lowest price quote I got:
Coverage:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-Liability Only=C2-
Hull Value:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-$0.00=C2-=C2-
Liability Limits:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-$1MIL/$100K=C2-=C2-
Medical Limits:=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-=C2-$1,000.00=C2-=C2-
Total=C2- Premium:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-$614.00=C2-=C2-
Comments:=C2-=C2-=C2- =C2-Named Pilots Only.=C2-
=C2-
With hull insurance of around $15000 it doubles.
Build it as a single seat and it could be less .
My experience is that a Corvair powered aircraft needs at least 40 hours bef
ore a insurance Company is willing to consider insurance
Including the insurance through the EAA.
The first 40 hours you are on your own.
It further helps to have at least 100 hours as PIC and some substantial tail
wheel time.
Hans.
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Sky "Scott" Smith is in my breakfast club and a good guy.
Jack Textor
Des Moines, IA
www.textors.com
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
hvandervoo@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Insurance
After a lead from Mark Langford, on the Corvair list.
I contacted www.Skysmith.com
This is the lowest price quote I got:
Coverage: Liability Only
Hull Value: $0.00
Liability Limits: $1MIL/$100K
Medical Limits: $1,000.00
Total Premium: $614.00
Comments: Named Pilots Only.
With hull insurance of around $15000 it doubles.
Build it as a single seat and it could be less .
My experience is that a Corvair powered aircraft needs at least 40 hours
before a insurance Company is willing to consider insurance
Including the insurance through the EAA.
The first 40 hours you are on your own.
It further helps to have at least 100 hours as PIC and some substantial
tailwheel time.
Hans.
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Guys,
Comments form Scott regarding insurance follow
Jack Textor
www.textors.com <http://www.textors.com/>
Jack,
Thanks for the comments.
I would like to clarify that not all companies insuring Corvair powered
aircraft have any type of hour limits before the coverage starts. We
have been insuring Corvair powered aircraft (Pietenpol, Zenith 601's,
etc) from the start of the project, including taxi testing and first
flight. A few companies have different liability limits and deductibles
during the FAA fly off period, but the coverage is from the first hour.
The comment about first flight is correct, unfortunately. The EAA
program may not provide coverage for the fly off periods (or until the
restrictions are flown off) for auto conversions or unique engine /
plane combinations. We access the EAA program as one of our markets, but
we also quote all of the other companies (except Avemco).
I have been insuring experimental aircraft since 1985 and have insured:
Subaru's, V8 and V6 conversions, Suzuki conversions, Harley Davidson V
twin engines, Mazda rotary, Corvairs, VW's, etc. A lot depends on the
conversion, power reduction unit (if it has one) and accessories
(intake, fuel system, ignition system, etc.)
Yes, typically underwriters like to see at least 100 hours of experience
and about 25 hours of tail wheel to insure a pilot in a Pietenpol, etc
but... we have put student pilots in tail wheel, experimental aircraft
with the right instructor (if the fly offs are done).
Depending on the underwriter, the plane and the pilot .... the rates
will vary anywhere from about $500 on up. If you buy hull coverage with
the liability, the liability cost is a little lower.
Hope that helps clarify a few things.
Scott Sky Smith
515-289-1439
www.skysmith.com <http://www.skysmith.com/>
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Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your project
sometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?
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Nothing planned this weekend. We'll have the pancake breakfast on 6/2 as usual.
I'm working on getting the seat belts attached. Everything is in but the pilot
shoulder harness. I'm attaching them to the tailpost and I've been thinking/planning/building
it for about 3 weeks now. I spend a lot more time thinking
of how to do something than I do actually doing it. Of course the plans don't
show any seat belts at all....
I bought a Continental A 65 from the chapter and I've been going through it. I
guess you can actually get insurance on a Corvair after all.. maybe I should
have kept the 3 cores I sold for $150.
I'm off the weekend of 6/2, so keep in touch.
Ben
>
> From: Ryan Michalkiewicz <mskybolt@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2007/05/24 Thu PM 07:21:24 EST
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hello Ben
>
> Ben, I am sorry we didn't make it up there. I still would like to see your project
sometime. Is your chapter planning somthing for Memorial Day?
>
> -Ryan
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