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1. 12:35 AM - Re: insurance (Clif Dawson)
2. 05:59 AM - Re: insurance ()
3. 06:19 AM - Re: insurance ()
4. 10:27 AM - Re: insurance (Gordon Bowen)
5. 10:27 AM - Re: insurance (HelsperSew@aol.com)
6. 02:14 PM - Re: insurance ()
7. 04:09 PM - Re: insurance (Greg Chapman)
8. 04:36 PM - Re: Insurance (Tim Verthein)
9. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (Greg Chapman)
10. 06:40 PM - Re: insurance (Dick Navratil)
11. 06:44 PM - insurance (Dick Navratil)
12. 07:44 PM - Re: insurance (Rick Holland)
13. 07:53 PM - Re: insurance (Dick Navratil)
14. 08:03 PM - Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop (kmordecai001@comcast.net)
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Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly
within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here
in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares.
Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen.
And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you.
Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want
to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!"
"For we shall rise up and smite thee!"
Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that
your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer
to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know-
what.
Clif
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how
much equity you have in your house.
Dick N.
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The most I'll be paying in future is what we call PLPD. That's it no
more.
________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif
Dawson
Sent: May 27, 2007 3:34 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly
within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here
in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares.
Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen.
And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you.
Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want
to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!"
"For we shall rise up and smite thee!"
Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that
your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer
to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know-
what.
Clif
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is,
how much equity you have in your house.
Dick N.
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I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to
wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle
in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3
million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the
added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I
have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my
point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he
could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They
make me sick.
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Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice (my
two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood aeroplanes.
If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd worry
about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for my
license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that
often?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
> I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to
> wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle
> in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3
> million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
> and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the
> added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
> million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I
> have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
> guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my
> point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
> can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
> minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
> would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he
> could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
> absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
> insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
> policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They
> make me sick.
>
>
>
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Amen Harvey, I am with you. If you DON"T have insurance they probably won't
sue you anyway because there is no easy money to be had.
Dan Helsper
Poplar Grove, IL.
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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Sometimes I like to blow off a little steam.Makes me feel better.I'd
love beer of any kind right now but this diet I'm on to loose weight
forbids it at this time.Maybe at the end of two weeks I'll celebrate
with one.I've never been ramp checked either but I have heard that
authorities are showing up more and more now at local fly ins.I'd hate
to see these things go the way of the goony bird because of it.
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
Bowen
Sent: May 27, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
<gbowen@ptialaska.net>
Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice
(my
two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood
aeroplanes.
If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd
worry
about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for
my
license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that
often?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
> I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided
to
> wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor
cycle
> in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for
3
> million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
> and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for
the
> added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
> million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else
I
> have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
> guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See
my
> point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
> can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
> minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
> would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever
he
> could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
> absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
> insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
> policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us.
They
> make me sick.
>
>
>
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I know this isn't my party but I can't remain quiet any longer on this
issue. There's no way any party is authorized by any CFR to demand
'proof of insurance' on your aircraft during a ramp check. No such proof
is required to be in the aircraft. No state law requires it nor do the
FAA or the NTSB. Here's a guide from June 2004 which is germaine to the
ramp check.
http://www.globalair.com/discussions/legal_services/article~/msgID=22
If someone with a bad attitude and a valid FAA ID wants to see it, you
don't have to produce it, nor do you have to admit your aircraft is
uninsured. It's just not part of the formula.
Now, that said, here are some parties who have a valid reason to ask to
see your insurance binder (none of which require it be in the aircraft):
- The operator of your field may be under some insurance requirements,
too. If they are, they often want proof that the aircraft is insured
before allowing you to base it on their ramp, in their hangars and so on.
- IF something does happen to you and something gets damaged or someone
gets hurt, the court may decide to examine your character as part of
determining your sense of responsibility. This may or may not strike
anyone as a reasonable way to measure your ability to be responsible but
that doesn't prevent some trained leach from attempting to paint you
negatively if you aren't carrying a binder.
All that said, I agree that insurance (and the amount you carry) is a
wager of your ability to not harm anything against the odds that
something will get bent. And, like you folks, I often wonder why I'm
paying for that subscription. One way to get out from under the
installment plan is to bond yourself. Yes, the money is not free to use
while it's backing a bond but you can build interest on the funds
backing your bond.
I'll go back under my rock now (where I wish I was working on a Piet).
Greg Chapman
harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote:
>
> Sometimes I like to blow off a little steam.Makes me feel better.I'd
> love beer of any kind right now but this diet I'm on to loose weight
> forbids it at this time.Maybe at the end of two weeks I'll celebrate
> with one.I've never been ramp checked either but I have heard that
> authorities are showing up more and more now at local fly ins.I'd hate
> to see these things go the way of the goony bird because of it.
>
>
> Do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon
> Bowen
> Sent: May 27, 2007 1:27 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
> <gbowen@ptialaska.net>
>
> Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice
> (my
> two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood
> aeroplanes.
> If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd
> worry
> about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for
> my
> license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that
>
> often?
> Gordon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <harvey.rule@bell.ca>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance
>
>
>
>>
>>I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided
>
> to
>
>>wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor
>
> cycle
>
>>in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for
>
> 3
>
>>million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million
>>and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for
>
> the
>
>>added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one
>>million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else
>
> I
>
>>have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this
>>guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See
>
> my
>
>>point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing
>>can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare
>>minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I
>>would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever
>
> he
>
>>could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I
>>absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for
>>insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big
>>policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us.
>
> They
>
>>make me sick.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe
the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance....
"You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of
contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires
you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your
aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000
per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and
for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each
non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for
bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The
minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the
number of type certificated seats for each aircraft."
So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always
thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force
you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck
they want!
Tim in Bovey
==
You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
==
that gives answers, not web links.
http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
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| Subject: | Re: re: Insurance |
Yep, that is not a surprise, BUT there is no requirement for proof of
insurance in the aircraft to satisfy any line or ramp check, correct?
Greg
Tim Verthein wrote:
>
> Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe
> the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance....
>
> "You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of
> contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires
> you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your
> aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000
> per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and
> for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each
> non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for
> bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The
> minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the
> number of type certificated seats for each aircraft."
>
> So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always
> thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force
> you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck
> they want!
>
> Tim in Bovey
>
> ==
> You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor!
> ==
>
>
>
> that gives answers, not web links.
> http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Rick
My aircraft ins covers what I damage with the plane. If I am walking
down a sidewalk and trip, falling into a old lady, I am covered
including damage to whatever she falls into.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
Dick
The $150 addition covers things you may damage with your plane?
Rick
On 5/26/07, Dick Navratil < horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how
much equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about
loosing much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about
stupid lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to
carry a blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That
blanket policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy.
Dick N.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows
paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF
ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND
DEAD AT SCENE.
Something to think about.
Dick N.
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I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance
company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a new
Piet?
Rick
On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
>
> I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows
> paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF
> ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD
> AT SCENE.
>
> Something to think about.
> Dick N.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Holland
ObjectAge Ltd.
Castle Rock, Colorado
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I had coverage before making my first flight.
dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Holland
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance
I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance
company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a
new Piet?
Rick
On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in
tomorrows paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY.
CARS RUNS OFF ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY
INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD AT SCENE.
Something to think about.
Dick N.
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop |
Pieters,
I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but
mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns
2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75.
I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch prop,
I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into a fellow at Sun
n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch 72 x 38, but you can't
directly compare different manufacturers. He said it pulled 2550-2600 climbing
out, so it was definitely a climb prop.
If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos. It's
not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks on the
epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is still a beautiful
prop.
Regards,
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
kmordecai001@comcast.net
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<DIV>Pieters,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but
mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it.
Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight
A-75.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch
prop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into
a fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch
72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He said
it pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos.
It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks
on the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is
still a beautiful prop.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Dave Mordecai</DIV>
<DIV>NX520SF</DIV>
<DIV>Panacea, FL</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:kmordecai001@comcast.net">kmordecai001@comcast.net</A></DIV>
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