---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/27/07: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: insurance (Clif Dawson) 2. 05:59 AM - Re: insurance () 3. 06:19 AM - Re: insurance () 4. 10:27 AM - Re: insurance (Gordon Bowen) 5. 10:27 AM - Re: insurance (HelsperSew@aol.com) 6. 02:14 PM - Re: insurance () 7. 04:09 PM - Re: insurance (Greg Chapman) 8. 04:36 PM - Re: Insurance (Tim Verthein) 9. 05:33 PM - Re: Re: Insurance (Greg Chapman) 10. 06:40 PM - Re: insurance (Dick Navratil) 11. 06:44 PM - insurance (Dick Navratil) 12. 07:44 PM - Re: insurance (Rick Holland) 13. 07:53 PM - Re: insurance (Dick Navratil) 14. 08:03 PM - Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop (kmordecai001@comcast.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:20 AM PST US From: Clif Dawson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares. Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen. And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you. Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!" "For we shall rise up and smite thee!" Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know- what. Clif An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much equity you have in your house. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance From: The most I'll be paying in future is what we call PLPD. That's it no more. ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Clif Dawson Sent: May 27, 2007 3:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Yes, if you're out in the boonies somewhere and fly mostly within the bounds of your own farm like some do up here in the wild wastes of Canada, nobody cares. Just don't turn up anywhere a ramp check may happen. And don't think the respective Feds aren't aware of you. Up here the prime directive is; " Do whatever you want to yourself but DON'T jeapordize any innocent bystanders!!" "For we shall rise up and smite thee!" Also be aware that in telling the forum your intentions that your statements are there in the archives for some lawyer to discover if someone decides to sue you sorry you-know- what. Clif An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much equity you have in your house. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:11 AM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance From: I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3 million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They make me sick. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:23 AM PST US From: "Gordon Bowen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice (my two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood aeroplanes. If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd worry about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for my license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that often? Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance > > I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to > wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle > in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3 > million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million > and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the > added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one > million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I > have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this > guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my > point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing > can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare > minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I > would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he > could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I > absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for > insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big > policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They > make me sick. > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:51 AM PST US From: HelsperSew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Amen Harvey, I am with you. If you DON"T have insurance they probably won't sue you anyway because there is no easy money to be had. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove, IL. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance From: Sometimes I like to blow off a little steam.Makes me feel better.I'd love beer of any kind right now but this diet I'm on to loose weight forbids it at this time.Maybe at the end of two weeks I'll celebrate with one.I've never been ramp checked either but I have heard that authorities are showing up more and more now at local fly ins.I'd hate to see these things go the way of the goony bird because of it. Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Bowen Sent: May 27, 2007 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice (my two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood aeroplanes. If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd worry about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for my license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that often? Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance > > I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided to > wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor cycle > in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for 3 > million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million > and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for the > added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one > million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else I > have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this > guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See my > point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing > can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare > minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I > would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever he > could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I > absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for > insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big > policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. They > make me sick. > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:12 PM PST US From: Greg Chapman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance I know this isn't my party but I can't remain quiet any longer on this issue. There's no way any party is authorized by any CFR to demand 'proof of insurance' on your aircraft during a ramp check. No such proof is required to be in the aircraft. No state law requires it nor do the FAA or the NTSB. Here's a guide from June 2004 which is germaine to the ramp check. http://www.globalair.com/discussions/legal_services/article~/msgID=22 If someone with a bad attitude and a valid FAA ID wants to see it, you don't have to produce it, nor do you have to admit your aircraft is uninsured. It's just not part of the formula. Now, that said, here are some parties who have a valid reason to ask to see your insurance binder (none of which require it be in the aircraft): - The operator of your field may be under some insurance requirements, too. If they are, they often want proof that the aircraft is insured before allowing you to base it on their ramp, in their hangars and so on. - IF something does happen to you and something gets damaged or someone gets hurt, the court may decide to examine your character as part of determining your sense of responsibility. This may or may not strike anyone as a reasonable way to measure your ability to be responsible but that doesn't prevent some trained leach from attempting to paint you negatively if you aren't carrying a binder. All that said, I agree that insurance (and the amount you carry) is a wager of your ability to not harm anything against the odds that something will get bent. And, like you folks, I often wonder why I'm paying for that subscription. One way to get out from under the installment plan is to bond yourself. Yes, the money is not free to use while it's backing a bond but you can build interest on the funds backing your bond. I'll go back under my rock now (where I wish I was working on a Piet). Greg Chapman harvey.rule@bell.ca wrote: > > Sometimes I like to blow off a little steam.Makes me feel better.I'd > love beer of any kind right now but this diet I'm on to loose weight > forbids it at this time.Maybe at the end of two weeks I'll celebrate > with one.I've never been ramp checked either but I have heard that > authorities are showing up more and more now at local fly ins.I'd hate > to see these things go the way of the goony bird because of it. > > > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon > Bowen > Sent: May 27, 2007 1:27 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance > > > > Harvey, you're a little tense, time for a Labatt's Blue or Molson's Ice > (my > two favorites) and focusing some of your good karma on old wood > aeroplanes. > If I had my Piete here in homely ole Homer,AK there'd be no way I'd > worry > about insurance. In over 40 years of flying, never had a "ramp ck" for > my > license/medical or plane's papers or anything else, does the CAA do that > > often? > Gordon > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:18 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: insurance > > > >> >>I once went to get car insurance and because some stupid kid decided > > to > >>wreck himself for life in some brick yard riding around on a motor > > cycle > >>in Brampton ,Ontario ,Canada, they wanted me to take out coverage for > > 3 > >>million. I said how much insurance is enough. If I take out 3 million >>and someone wants to sue me for four, are you going to cover me for > > the > >>added million? Why no she said. Exactly I said. Give me my usual one >>million and who ever sues me only gets the million plus what ever else > > I > >>have in commodities. They will not ever get 3 million plus from this >>guy. I really only wanted 100,000 but the minimum was 1 million. See > > my > >>point; it doesn't matter how much coverage you have the person sueing >>can always get everything you have anyway. So PLPD for me and the bare >>minimum for a ramp check is fine thank you. If the law would let me I >>would do away with all insurances and let the bastard take what ever > > he > >>could get and no insurance money at all would be forth coming. I >>absolutely hate these blood sucking companies that take your money for >>insurance and then build these huge buildings and then when a few big >>policies come in for payment then cry and want more money from us. > > They > >>make me sick. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:22 PM PST US From: Tim Verthein Subject: Pietenpol-List: re: Insurance Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance.... "You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000 per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the number of type certificated seats for each aircraft." So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck they want! Tim in Bovey == You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! == that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:27 PM PST US From: Greg Chapman Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re: Insurance Yep, that is not a surprise, BUT there is no requirement for proof of insurance in the aircraft to satisfy any line or ramp check, correct? Greg Tim Verthein wrote: > > Here in good ol' Minnesota...liability insurance is REQUIRED! I believe > the ONLY State that REQUIRES aircraft insurance.... > > "You are required to have liability insurance only during the period of > contemplated use or operation of your aircraft. Minnesota Law requires > you to state the period of contemplated use or operation of your > aircraft. The minimum amount required by the act is as follows: $25,000 > per passenger seat liability for passenger bodily injury or death and > for property damage; $25,000 for bodily injury or death to each > non-passenger in any one accident; and $50,000 per occurrence for > bodily injury or death to non-passengers in any one accident. The > minimum insurance amounts for passenger liability shall be upon the > number of type certificated seats for each aircraft." > > So, assuming I get it built some day, I'm gonna have to pay. I always > thought the best business to be in, would be one where the laws force > you to buy the product. Pretty much lets 'em charge whatever the heck > they want! > > Tim in Bovey > > == > You *can* repair a flip-flop with a capacitor! > == > > > > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:26 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Rick My aircraft ins covers what I damage with the plane. If I am walking down a sidewalk and trip, falling into a old lady, I am covered including damage to whatever she falls into. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance Dick The $150 addition covers things you may damage with your plane? Rick On 5/26/07, Dick Navratil < horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote: An important question in thinking about liability insurance is, how much equity you have in your house. If you don't need to worry about loosing much, they won't spent much coming after you. You hear about stupid lawsuits all of the time. I choose to insure th plane and to carry a blanket policy for any stupid thing I might do, anywhere. That blanket policy is an extra $150 on the homeowners policy. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:44:39 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Pietenpol-List: insurance I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD AT SCENE. Something to think about. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:06 PM PST US From: "Rick Holland" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a new Piet? Rick On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil wrote: > > I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows > paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF > ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD > AT SCENE. > > Something to think about. > Dick N. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Holland ObjectAge Ltd. Castle Rock, Colorado ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:41 PM PST US From: "Dick Navratil" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance I had coverage before making my first flight. dick ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Holland To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: insurance I believe it's been mentioned before but is it true that no insurance company will provide even liability coverage for the first 40 hours on a new Piet? Rick On 5/27/07, Dick Navratil wrote: I hate to go on, on this subject, but what if the headline in tomorrows paper is "SMALL PLANE RUNS OUT OF FUEL, LANDS ON HIGHWAY. CARS RUNS OFF ROAD TO AVOID PLANE. MOTHER AND TWO CHILDREN SERIOUSLY INJURED, HUSBAND DEAD AT SCENE. Something to think about. Dick N. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:04 PM PST US From: kmordecai001@comcast.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hegy 72 x 42 to trade for A-75 prop Pieters, I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it. Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75. I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch prop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40 would be about right. I ran into a fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch 72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He said it pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop. If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos. It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks on the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is still a beautiful prop. Regards, Dave Mordecai NX520SF Panacea, FL kmordecai001@comcast.net
Pieters,
 
I've got a very nice Hegy 72 x 42 on NX520SF, perfect prop for an A-65.....but mine is an A-75 so I'm not getting the desired rpm/horsepower out of it.  Turns 2200 static, 2400 at WOT level flight on a cool day with a fresh tight A-75.
 
I'd like to offer it up for trade if someone has a similar but flatter pitch prop, I'm guessing a 72 x 40  would be about right.  I ran into a fellow at Sun n' Fun with an A-75 on a Grasshopper running a Sensenitch 72 x 38, but you can't directly compare different manufacturers. He said it pulled 2550-2600 climbing out, so it was definitely a climb prop.
 
If you're interested please email me directly and I"ll reply with photos.  It's not perfect after 80 hours on a grass field, has the usual little nicks on the epoxy leading edge from all the bugs down here in Florida, but is still a beautiful prop.
 
Regards,
Dave Mordecai
NX520SF
Panacea, FL
 
 
 
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